Newegg spills beans on several GTX 460 cards

[RussianSensation]

I just dont see how a full fledged GF104 (rumoured to be used for the GTX475 SKU) can take on a GTX470.

Firstly, GTX460 has a higher texture fill-rate than the GTX470, even at stock speeds. It has been known to overclock to 900mhz+ (but few samples) :awe:

Stock performance is probably not going to be earth shattering (GTX285 speeds I bet).

 

[HurleyBird]

Yeah, the launch cut-down G92 (8800GT) was a massive failure.

G92 was the highest-end Nvidia chip, and it was not significantly cut down.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Yeah, the launch cut-down G92 (8800GT) was a massive failure.

336 shaders @ 675/1350MHz, 256-bit;

Vs

480 shaders @ 700/1400MHz, 384-bit

That's very "cut-down" if you ask me. 8800GT lost a mere 16 shaders compared to G80 but compensated that with higher core clocks. The only thing cut-down was the 256-bit bus.

 

[s44]

336 shaders @ 675/1350MHz, 256-bit;

Vs

480 shaders @ 700/1400MHz, 384-bit

That's very "cut-down" if you ask me. 8800GT lost a mere 16 shaders compared to G80 but compensated that with higher core clocks. The only thing cut-down was the 256-bit bus.

Wrong. G92 was cut down *compared to itself*. 112 shaders on the 8800GT, not the full 128. Remember, we're talking about the basher's claim that prominent non-full-shader editions of this chip mean Nvidia has failed/is doomed/O NOES.

The full-shader G92 (8800GTS 512mb) actually came out later, to avoid the sort of previous-high-end cannibalization we'll see with the full-shader version of this chip.

 

[Scali]

The G92 was a bit of a strange case though.
Technically it was not a high-end part. It wasn't just a die-shrink of the G80.
They had also cut down on some of the logic (going down from 384-bit to 256-bit memory bus for example). The architecture was just more optimized overall.
So it was nearly as fast as the high-end G80 models. And a new 65 nm high-end part didn't arrive until much later, in the form of the GT200. So G92 'acted' as high-end for a while.

I think the most dramatic effect of the G92 was the extremely low price for the time. It completely redefined price/performance for videocards, and was the first proper mainstream DX10 option.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Wrong. G92 was cut down *compared to itself*. 112 shaders on the 8800GT, not the full 128. Remember, we're talking about the basher's claim that prominent non-full-shader editions of this chip mean Nvidia has failed/is doomed/O NOES.

The full-shader G92 (8800GTS 512mb) actually came out later, to avoid the sort of previous-high-end cannibalization we'll see with the full-shader version of this chip.

I guess there are some differences between these 2 situations - the competition is a bit fiercer now. Risk of cannibalization vs risk of devouring competition sales.

 

[HurleyBird]

Wrong. G92 was cut down *compared to itself*. 112 shaders on the 8800GT, not the full 128.

Yeah, it was a very mild cut down of a high-end (performing at least) part on a new process. Not quite the same as the new fermi derivative which is mid-range, no new process, with a significant cut down.

 

[RussianSensation]

336 shaders @ 675/1350MHz, 256-bit;

Vs

480 shaders @ 700/1400MHz, 384-bit

That's very "cut-down" if you ask me.

GTX460 will cost about $230-240 vs. $450 for GTX480. So it will probably offer 70% of the performance of the GTX480 for 50% of the price. With overclocking, I bet, you could get within 80% of the performance. Let's wait for the overclocking benchmarks first.

 

[v8envy]

70% performance (more likely closer to 65%) for 53% the price seems reasonable until you realize that highest end halo parts are meant to have terrible bang for the buck. High end price/performance in the midrange just simply isn't compelling. Also, we've seen 470s for under $300 and 5850s for $250 recently.

As far as OCing -- the 480s (and 470s and 5850s) can be OCd too. I don't think we'll see Intel-like 100% headroom built into these chips, however.

These parts are meant to compete with the 5770 and 5830. And like their big brothers competing with the 5850 and 5870 I have no doubt they'll outperform the half-sized AMD competition by similar margins to their bigger brethren. The question being: is 5-10% more performance worth the extra $? And the answer will depend on what the extra $ is. At $240 these bad boys are a non-starter, much like the 465 they will replace and the 5830 they are meant to compete with. For $170 they'll rule the roost.

 

[EarthwormJim]

336 shaders @ 675/1350MHz, 256-bit;

Vs

480 shaders @ 700/1400MHz, 384-bit

That's very "cut-down" if you ask me. 8800GT lost a mere 16 shaders compared to G80 but compensated that with higher core clocks. The only thing cut-down was the 256-bit bus.

Why is the 8800gt even being compared to the GTX460. The 8800gt came out much later in the 8xxx series life compared to the GTX460.

The G92 was also designed to replace the G80, GF104 is not meant to replace GF100. From the beginning it was designed as a lower end higher yield part.

 

[evolucion8]

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-12937-view-Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-460-benchmarks.html

Quite interesting that for both, ATI and nVidia, current generations are weaker in a per clock basis compared to previous generations. The HD 5830 having more stream processors and barely outperforms the HD 4890, and even looses to it, and the GTX 460 is having trouble to outperform the GTX 275, odd.

 

[taltamir]

OP says no pricing (OP is from several days ago). I haven't seen anyone mention anything concrete on pricing thus far so this might be new:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814130564

$229.99 + $11.49 Shipping

EDIT:

how the heck did I end up on the canadia newegg?

anyways... here is a slightly different model (not factory OCed) for 200$ + 8 shipping http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-562-_-Product

USA store

 

[cbn]

How many CUDA cores for the 256bit/1GB model?

 

[toyota]

How many CUDA cores for the 256bit/1GB model?

the same 336sp

 

[RussianSensation]

http://detonator.dynamitedata.com/c...21&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20Newegg has a bunch of GTX460s for sale.

$199 - 768mb
$219 - 1GB

A ton of pre-overclocked cards. Some as high as 800mhz.

Just like GTX465, I see these cards falling to $169-179.99 with rebates rather quickly. Considering how pre-overclocked samples already ship with 800mhz, that means folks at home can probably get 850mhz with ease. Looks like end of the line for 5770 and 5830.

 

[tviceman]

A ton of pre-overclocked cards. Some as high as 800mhz.

I can't think of any other launches where nonreference cards came out day 1 with that big of an overclock. Core/Shader is 18.5% and memory is 11%. This card ought to be able to give a reference hd5850 a decent fight. If not, then

 

[Dark4ng3l]

http://detonator.dynamitedata.com/c...21&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20Newegg has a bunch of GTX460s for sale.

$199 - 768mb
$219 - 1GB

A ton of pre-overclocked cards. Some as high as 800mhz.

Just like GTX465, I see these cards falling to $169-179.99 with rebates rather quickly. Considering how pre-overclocked samples already ship with 800mhz, that means folks at home can probably get 850mhz with ease. Looks like end of the line for 5770 and 5830.

1GB 5770 starts at 150$ and you can get them at 130$ or low AR. Thats much cheaper and really in a completely different price zone.

 

[tviceman]

1GB 5770 starts at 150$ and you can get them at 130$ or low AR. Thats much cheaper and really in a completely different price zone.

Yeah the 5770 isn't going anywhere. The hd5830 and gtx465, on the other hand, are probably going to get inventory-clearing price drops soon.

 

[RussianSensation]

Most 5770s are still $140-150. The <$130 versions are often only 512mb. If you could overclock the GTX460 near GTX470 speeds/5850, then 5770 will be poor value. It would make a lot more sense to spend $50 more for an extra 50&#37; performance increase.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Most 5770s are still $140-150. The <$130 versions are often only 512mb. If you could overclock the GTX460 near GTX470 speeds/5850, then 5770 will be poor value. It would make a lot more sense to spend $50 more for an extra 50&#37; performance increase.

We both know the market does not work that way or the 56xx or 54xx, GT240, etc style cards would not exist.

Considering that these cards are going to have similar manufacturing costs to cypress cards 200$ seems pretty close to as low as the price will get. I bet this thing replaces the 465 asap and a "full shader" version to replace the 470. Nvidia will keep the 480 if only for pr reasons. But really AMD have a lot of room to adjust prices around this thing if thats what the market dictates.

edit

also I think a 768MB card in the 200$ range might be a hard sell because nothing in the 150+ range has under 1GB. You also have to consider that layman users seem to think that the amount of memory is the defining characteristic of a card.

 

[EarthwormJim]

We both know the market does not work that way or the 56xx or 54xx, GT240, etc style cards would not exist.

Considering that these cards are going to have similar manufacturing costs to cypress cards 200$ seems pretty close to as low as the price will get. I bet this thing replaces the 465 asap and a "full shader" version to replace the 470. Nvidia will keep the 480 if only for pr reasons. But really AMD have a lot of room to adjust prices around this thing if thats what the market dictates.

edit

also I think a 768MB card in the 200$ range might be a hard sell because nothing in the 150+ range has under 1GB. You also have to consider that layman users seem to think that the amount of memory is the defining characteristic of a card.

How many shaders are in the GF104? I thought it was supposed to be less than GF100?

 

[toyota]

How many shaders are in the GF104? I thought it was supposed to be less than GF100?

384sp supposedly.

 

[edplayer]

Most 5770s are still $140-150. The <$130 versions are often only 512mb.

Most 5770 are $150 or more. The reason you see these $130 (and less) deals is because of Tigerdirect and bing cashback. And they are the 1GB versions.

 

[bryanW1995]

We both know the market does not work that way or the 56xx or 54xx, GT240, etc style cards would not exist.

Considering that these cards are going to have similar manufacturing costs to cypress cards 200$ seems pretty close to as low as the price will get. I bet this thing replaces the 465 asap and a "full shader" version to replace the 470. Nvidia will keep the 480 if only for pr reasons. But really AMD have a lot of room to adjust prices around this thing if thats what the market dictates.

edit

also I think a 768MB card in the 200$ range might be a hard sell because nothing in the 150+ range has under 1GB. You also have to consider that layman users seem to think that the amount of memory is the defining characteristic of a card.

I think that the only real fallout amd will feel is that they'll finally be forced to put a competitive price on 5830. That card should be well under $200, wake me up when it gets to $150.

 

[edplayer]

it will depend on what kind of volume Nvidia will be able to provide as well. If they can get close to 5850 level performance (with overclocking) and you can find them easily at a good price, it will make it kind of hard to justify $300 for a 5850 (and of course the 5830)