newegg: video cards nonrefundable

taltamir

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I just noticed that video card sales in newegg are nonrefundable... forget restocking fee, there are simply no refunds.

What is a good place to buy video cards in the USA now that newegg went down the toilet?
 

Bandit1

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In all fairness to newegg,the title should be changed because that is not completely true.The return for refund policy is very specific to any item depending what return/refund policy is listed under the product listing..

http://www.newegg.com/HelpInfo/ReturnPolicy.aspx#31

I also think we can thank abuse of vid/cpus i.e.for stricter policies.

That aside,i reeally have had good experiences with microcenter.They have price matched everything against newegg prices.I am not sure they would do that with an online purchase,but i have done this with in store visits if you were fortunate to have one near you.
 

toyota

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I just noticed that video card sales in newegg are nonrefundable... forget restocking fee, there are simply no refunds.

What is a good place to buy video cards in the USA now that newegg went down the toilet?
this thread title needs to be changed now because you are not correct.

you might want to look closer as only some models say nonrefundable. most say "VGA Replacement Only Return Policy" or "VGA Standard Return Policy" or even "Standard Return Policy".
 

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That aside,i reeally have had good experiences with microcenter.They have price matched everything against newegg prices.I am not sure they would do that with an online purchase,but i have done this with in store visits if you were fortunate to have one near you.

Company policy is only to pricematch cpus so if they do it for anything else, it is at the stores discretion. Though I have heard of a lot of people getting it.
 

GotNoRice

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My friend bought a Videocard a few years back from newegg that was listed as exchange only. About a month after his exchange window had expired he decided for no real reason that he wanted a different card itself and all he had to do was get his mom on the phone to bitch and he ended up with a full refund.
 

nyker96

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My friend bought a Videocard a few years back from newegg that was listed as exchange only. About a month after his exchange window had expired he decided for no real reason that he wanted a different card itself and all he had to do was get his mom on the phone to bitch and he ended up with a full refund.

best refund policy I've heard :]
 

Leyawiin

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If you have a big enough issue within the 30 days almost any Newegg item that is non-refundable (exchange only) can be made refundable. Be nice, explain you really don't want to take the chance of it happening again and usually they'll "talk to the supervisor" and you'll get a refund.
 

Meghan54

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In all fairness to newegg,the title should be changed because that is not completely true.The return for refund policy is very specific to any item depending what return/refund policy is listed under the product listing..

http://www.newegg.com/HelpInfo/ReturnPolicy.aspx#31

I also think we can thank abuse of vid/cpus i.e.for stricter policies.

That aside,i reeally have had good experiences with microcenter.They have price matched everything against newegg prices.I am not sure they would do that with an online purchase,but i have done this with in store visits if you were fortunate to have one near you.


First, you're right. MicroCenter almost totally kills Newegg, at least the two in GA do. They both PM Newegg, Fry's, and a host of other stores and I've yet to have anything be refused to be PM'd.

Second, while it may be true, and it probably is, that some fools who've used and abused Newegg as a rental service for tons of stuff is one reason the policies have been changing, another is the always suspected reason that Newegg sources a lot of its product from other places than "traditional" distributors.....meaning the grey market.

The "No refund, exchange only" policy has been around for quite a while and not just on video cards...memory, motherboards, etc. And it seems to be almost completely random, too. One item from a manufacturer is no refund--exchange only, and another very similar item from the same manufacturer is able to be returned for refund if you want.

It's always been suspected that Newegg grey markets a bit of their goods......I think the return policy almost points that out.
 

DaveSimmons

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> It's always been suspected that Newegg grey markets a bit of their goods......I think the return policy almost points that out.

Or just that they got tired of losing money on people buying and returning 5 cards in a row until they find one that overclocks to their satisfaction.

I wonder how many people have ever returned (non-defective) cards there that weren't renting or hunting for golden samples.
 

taltamir

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I can't believe they did this. They better have DOA and RMA you a card.

What kinda support is this , IBM support ? :0

on DOA they will replace it with an identical card.

the actual policy is:

VGA Replacement Only Return Policy
Return for refund within: non-refundable
Return for replacement within: 30 days

Also:
Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
Return for refund within: non-refundable
Return for replacement within: 30 days

And it seems to not be all cards, coincidently I just stumbled on a lot of cards that had it... mmm, wait a moment. it seems to be most common for XFX, ASUS cards, with 2 power color cards being in it as well: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...05000%20series
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...20549&name=ATI

It also seems to be specific models, for example, the ATI HD5870: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0Video%20Cards
It has cards from Asus, XFX, sapphire, gigabyte, and visiontek as non refundable... but not ALL models of 5870 from those companies.

For the HD5850 it is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...0048 106793261 1067949753&name=Radeon HD 5850
Gigabyte, Asus, HIS, XFX that are non refundable

If someone can shed any info on why those cards are non refundable while others are I would appreciate it.
 
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Meghan54

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And it seems to not be all cards, coincidently I just stumbled on a lot of cards that had it... mmm, wait a moment. it seems to be most common for XFX, ASUS cards, with 2 power color cards being in it as well: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...05000%20series
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...20549&name=ATI

It also seems to be specific models, for example, the ATI HD5870: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0Video%20Cards
It has cards from Asus, XFX, sapphire, gigabyte, and visiontek as non refundable... but not ALL models of 5870 from those companies.

For the HD5850 it is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...on%20HD%205850
Gigabyte, Asus, HIS, XFX that are non refundable

If someone can shed any info on why those cards are non refundable while others are I would appreciate it.



Like I said, where is Newegg getting those cards with the restrictive return policy and where are the cards with the "looser" return policy being sourced from?

Grey marketing takes place in all sorts of consumer goods....stereo equipment and cameras are two of the worst areas. You can almost always spot the grey market goods because the seller offers a "special" warranty in lieu of a factory warranty and typically a restrictive return policy.
 

taltamir

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First, a 15% restocking fee more then makes up for rental service abuse.

Second, I think you are right about the grey market thing.

BTW, If I go to frys or best buy, every single video card in the store will have identical return policy.
 

3DVagabond

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First, a 15% restocking fee more then makes up for rental service abuse.

No it doesn't. In most cases it doesn't even cover the discount offered to resell the returned item. Never mind the additional handling costs for inspection, repacking, etc...

Returns cost the companies money and people who abuse return policies should be banned from returning items, unless DOA.
 

MJinZ

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Best Buy?

Not even Microcenter I believe allows refunds unless it is defective.
 

taltamir

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doesn't even cover it? ha!
the 15% restocking fee is WAAAAY to high. And last I checked they don't reduce the cost of open box items by 15%... heck, often not even by 1%

Best Buy?

Not even Microcenter I believe allows refunds unless it is defective.

microcenter is UNUSUAL in that it doesn't allow refunds. Most stores in the USA do.

And so what? I said that best buy and frys have CONSISTENT policies... microcenter also has consistent policy "No returns unless it is DOA"...
with newegg you get an inconsistent policy, with some items being "no returns" and others allowing return... so you have to carefully examine each individual item rather then look at an overall store policy, and it indicates that those "no return" items are probably gray market; rather then it being the store policy to not allow returns.
 
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Modelworks

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It is mainly because of the people that abuse return policies. When someone returns an item that has nothing wrong with it but the buyer didn't like it for whatever reason the seller cannot just send it back to the manufacturer.

Manufacturers are very picky about returns. They will take back bad items without a hassle, but if you start sending back 20 items that all check out fine and doing it on a regular basis you can expect trouble.

I managed a regional warranty repair center for consumer electronics and you wouldn't believe the amount of stuff that had absolutely nothing wrong with it. It takes shipping, time for a tech to check it out, repacking making sure it is all there, and then sending it back out again. Once opened it cannot be sold as new so it has to be discounted cutting the profit from resell further.

Stores like walmart were losing a lot of money because people would buy a 52" HDTV for superbowl weekend then take it back afterward and get their cash, essentially renting it for free.
 

taltamir

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And if you have a 15% restocking fee abuse is entirely eliminated, because abusers want something for nothing, they don't want to pay a restocking fee.

All you have to do is put it back on the shelf as an open box with a small discount.

The argument we are in is that Meghan54 says that a 15% restocking fee isn't enough and only banning returns altogether is a reasonable policy
 

DefRef

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It is mainly because of the people that abuse return policies. When someone returns an item that has nothing wrong with it but the buyer didn't like it for whatever reason the seller cannot just send it back to the manufacturer.
I got into it with some clown on another forum who was accusing Costco of greed for changing their return policy on electronics, computers, cameras, etc. from the usual forever to 90 days, but in return extending the warranties to two full years. He was yelling that Costco should just figure in what the costs of returns should be and take it out of their profits as customers bring back their HDTVs every couple of years to upgrade to the new hotness for free.

He was a real a-hole and it was capped off with his admitting proudly that he'd returned a thee-year-old water cooler that the manufacturer had stopped making filters for. His rationale was that since Costco sold him something that he could no longer use due to the manufacturer's decision, he was entitled to a full refund, which he got and hadn't a clue as to how that kept prices from being as low as possible. I asked him what he would've done if he'd bought it from a place without an easily exploitable return policy and he got pretty angry that anyone would dare suggest he not get three years free use. And people wonder why return policies are so tight and restock fees are now standard?
 

3DVagabond

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A few years back I worked for Sears. They had a blanket, "satisfaction guaranteed or your money back" policy. People would buy seasonal merchandise, air conditioners, lawn mowers, etc., use them for the summer, and then return them for a full refund. People would furnish apartments and return the furnishings when their lease was up. They even took it a step further. They would typically buy it on their Sears card, with deferred payments, so they never even had to take any cash out of their pockets. People actually figured it was Sears' own fault for having the policy in the first place. Then people get irate when a company sets limitations on their return policy. Go figure.
 

Meghan54

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doesn't even cover it? ha!
the 15% restocking fee is WAAAAY to high. And last I checked they don't reduce the cost of open box items by 15%... heck, often not even by 1%



microcenter is UNUSUAL in that it doesn't allow refunds. Most stores in the USA do.

And so what? I said that best buy and frys have CONSISTENT policies... microcenter also has consistent policy "No returns unless it is DOA"...
with newegg you get an inconsistent policy, with some items being "no returns" and others allowing return... so you have to carefully examine each individual item rather then look at an overall store policy, and it indicates that those "no return" items are probably gray market; rather then it being the store policy to not allow returns.



First, Microcenter does allow returns for refunds....look at the back of one of their receipts. But there are a host of terms and exclusions.

Notebooks, digital cameras/camcorders, projectors have a 7 day return window and a 15% restock fee can be applied if not exhanging for defect.

Motherboards, cpus, other service parts have a 30 day return window but only for exchange for defect...no return for refund.

Desktop computers, monitors, printers have a 30 day return window for exchange or refund, subject to a 15% restock fee if returning for refund.

And Microcenter's open box price is at least the 15% restock fee they charge, if not 20%....I forget the first markdown increment, but it's either 15% or 20%. Further markdowns, as the item sits, are also scheduled by percentage and time....they have a definite markdown schedule.



Fry's......they, too, return for refund, but like Microcenter, there are restrictions and similar to Microcenter.

BUT.....while this has never happened to me at Microcenter, I have purchased cpus, motherboards, and/or memory from Frys that was on sale, get home and find out that the cpu/memory/motherboard was returned and put back on the shelf as new and sold as such. (Cpu with TIM still on it, motherboard missing cables, back I/O plate open/missing, etc., memory with very visible scratches on the gold fingers, etc.)

It's so bad at the two ATL Fry's that I now open up the mb/cpu/memory out in the parking lot before I leave to examine the item before I leave the store.

And when I go back into the store for an exhange, or refund if it's one of the combo cpu/mb sales and they're OOS by then, I typically get "Well, we test everything to ensure it works" line..... It's almost like they have no comprehension that opened stuff is NOT new and cannot be sold as such, despite any testing they've done. (And I've had to do this four times so far from the Duluth Fry's and almost refuse to set foot in that store any longer, esp. since Microcenter is a 1/2 mile down the road.)


But with both stores, the return policy is consistent, as you've said.

Newegg, on the other hand, as you've noted has a scattergun set of policies on the same product line......

Take, for instance, video cards, the subject of the discussion. They can be covered by no less than four return policies:

Standard Return Policy
Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
VGA Standard 30-Day Return Policy
VGA Replacement Only 30-Day Return Policy


And I've seen video cards of various brands over time covered by every one of those policies. So, there is something weird going on....why some are returnable within 30 days for refund or replacement and on the same page, with the same category of cards, like 5870's or 480's or whatever, others are only returnable for replacement?

Motherboards flip flop between at least two, memory can be covered by three.

So, unlike most other stores which have policies that spell out "Return for item X is this, item Y is this.......", Newegg is "Item X can be this, but can also be this, or this........Item Y can be only returned like this, or a different brand like this, or different sku's like this......"

Something very weird over at Newegg.
 
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