[News-Hardware.fr]Sudden "shortage" of Pentium G4560

[VirtualLarry]

There are many explanations as to why there can be a shortage for a couple of weeks. Maybe Dell bought a large supply:
http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/productdetails/optiplex-3050-desktop/s013o3050sffus

Or Lenovo:
http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/deskto...entre-M710-Tower/p/10M9CTO1WWENUS0/customize?
http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/deskto...kCentre-M710-sff/p/10M7CTO1WWENUS0/customize?
http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/deskto...hinkCentre-M810z/p/10NYCTO1WWENUS0/customize?

Etc.

But the best you can do is to say that Intel blames miners, without proof.

Let me ask you... do you really believe the above suggestion? Or are you "running interference" for Intel on this forum.

The reason I ask is, that suggestion of yours (that Dell or Lenovo bought a large qty), affecting the spot price of retail-upgrade boxes of the same CPU, seems a bit farcical.

Why would Dell or Lenovo "suddenly" order so many of a particular CPU, and catch Intel off-guard? They wouldn't. They contract with Intel possibly months in advance, and Intel plans their appropriate number of wafer starts in their fabs, to meet the estimated demand.

Intel has massive fab capacity. The only reasons that I can see, for this extended shortage of these CPUs, is Intel intentionally limiting supply.

The reason I say this is, when the initial Skylake 6700K CPUs came out, they were in high demand, and short supply, due to high binning. But, in a few months, that had subsided, supplies increased, and prices went down to MSRP.

The G4560 is NOT a "top bin" CPU. Quite the opposite, really. So the explanation can't be the same.

Also, the G4560 has been in short supply for a longer period than the 6700K was.

This is NOT due to "miners", and everything to do with Intel's supply chain.

Miners buy the cheapest CPU that will work, aka Celerons. And those are NOT in short supply, which, according to Intel, they should be, if that's where the real demand from miners is.

In short, Intel is full of crap, and you're just towing their line, unfortunately.

 

[formulav8]

"Sources say that formulav8 is a 12-eared rabbit".

I like that I'm in for your article.

Dude, be serious though, Does it really need to be an executive order for you to to see reality? Even in the past motherboard makers has said that Intel said to NOT produce AMD Athlon motherboards once upon a time. Although no executive exclaimed before, as far as I know? Is that incorrect because an Intel representative didn't officially say so?

At least Anand set the matters straight from his own personal experiences.

Do you still need an Intel exec to tell you that yes we are not selling well with our i3's and won't produce 4t Pentium cpu's until we make our money back? Most source's will NOT and will Never post their true sources. Use common sense with AMD and Intel. Even all Corps.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Celeron G3930 is going for $36 on eBay right now, item #201954029914.

Thanks, kwalkingcraze. SO tempting to buy a few under-$40 current-gen CPUs.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are NO under-$40 mobos to go with them (even FACTORY refurbs would be fine).

Edit: Well, there's these for $44.99 FS (factory refurb MSI) from Newegg:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-H110M-P...b-s-USB-3-1-Micro-ATX-Motherboa-/292086578407

Cheapest semi-legit mobo on ebay for socket 1151.

I miss those $28 qty specials at 50% coupon from Newegg.com for those Biostar B150S1 boards. I thought that those boards were cheap enough, that they would run specials like that regularly. Guess not. :|

 

[formulav8]

you're just towing their line, unfortunately

Quite true with quite a few.

 

[jpiniero]

Intel has massive fab capacity. The only reasons that I can see, for this extended shortage of these CPUs, is Intel intentionally limiting supply.

Define intentionally. They're not going to turn good i3 dies into Pentiums.

 

[formulav8]

They're not going to turn good i3 dies into Pentiums.

Their not going to sell more 4 thread Pentiums than i3's over a certain ratio either if they have a say in it.

 

[Phynaz]

Why does anyone care if Intel sells bottom of the barrel CPUs or not?

 

[VirtualLarry]

They're not going to turn good i3 dies into Pentiums.

Then they're going to have a warehouse of unsold KBL-S i3 CPUs, then, IMHO.

AMD turned working quad-core CPUs into tri-cores, just to meet market demand, during the Phenom II era, why wouldn't Intel?

 

[crashtech]

Why does anyone care if Intel sells bottom of the barrel CPUs or not?

Redacted.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Why does anyone care if Intel sells bottom of the barrel CPUs or not?

I didn't know that a "virtual i3" was a bottom-of-the-barrel chip. I guess Intel should discontinue every CPU below the i5 line then.

 

[formulav8]

Why does anyone care if Intel sells bottom of the barrel CPUs or not?

The 4 thread Pentium's are not bottom of the barrel, especially in performance. They are currently The cpu to get for many budget computer setups. AMD/Via has nothing to kick the 4 thread'ed Pentium out yet.

 

[crashtech]

I didn't know that a "virtual i3" was a bottom-of-the-barrel chip. I guess Intel should discontinue every CPU below the i5 line then.

Actually, all CPU forum experts need is HEDT. And maybe a mainstream i7 for a low-end rig.

 

[Shivansps]

Then they're going to have a warehouse of unsold KBL-S i3 CPUs, then, IMHO.

AMD turned working quad-core CPUs into tri-cores, just to meet market demand, during the Phenom II era, why wouldn't Intel?

How you could be so sure? Yeah, here we are selling tons of G4560s, yet, I3-7100 sales are not less than what I3-6100 or I3-4170 were. Not sure if a shop outside the US is a good example but i dont see a reduction of I3 sales here. What we are seeing is more Pentium sales, that for sure. Celeron is what is going out slowly now, and i guess it will until AM1 supply runs dry. personally, i think the Pentium is taking Celeron and A4-7300/7400 sales more than is taking I3 sales.

There is another issue, the marketing bias, people wants I3, I5 and I7, most have no idea of how many cores it has or what is HT.

 

[IEC]

I didn't know that a "virtual i3" was a bottom-of-the-barrel chip. I guess Intel should discontinue every CPU below the i5 line then.

Never! There's a place for every SKU in the product stack, no matter how mediocre:

I too, am a man of culture

 

[Phynaz]

Redacted x2

 

[Phynaz]

The 4 thread Pentium's are not bottom of the barrel, especially in performance. They are currently The cpu to get for many budget computer setups. AMD/Via has nothing to kick the 4 thread'ed Pentium out yet.

Thanks, I didn't know these were half way decent. Pentium = neutered in my mind. I didn't even know these were KL.

 

[formulav8]

Thanks, I didn't know these were half way decent. Pentium = neutered in my mind. I didn't even know these were KL.

I know you know your stuff dude.

But, If you didn't know that sku, then I am sorry for saying what I did, actually either way I am.

 

[crashtech]

https://ark.intel.com/products/97143/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4560-3M-Cache-3_50-GHz

 

[Phynaz]

I know you know your stuff dude.

But, If you didn't know that sku, then I am sorry for saying what I did, actually either way I am.

No worries, it's all good

So these are an I3, with 1MB less cache and about 400mhz slower. That's it?

 

[VirtualLarry]

So these are an I3, with 1MB less cache and about 400mhz slower. That's it?

And no AVX/AVX2 opcodes, but yeah, that's basically it. An i3 for Pentium price == so much win.

 

[Phynaz]

My local Microcenter has 10+ in stock. $57

 

[VirtualLarry]

My local Microcenter has 10+ in stock. $57

1) Buy them all
2) Sell them on ebay for $79 shipped
3) Profit!

 

[crashtech]

That's actually quite a bit of hassle for $200, but damn if I haven't been reminded twice in two days how it sucks to not be near a Microcenter...

 

[nix_zero]

g4560 main role for intel was to be perceived as better and cheaper than any fx/apu that amd had, keeping amd head down in the dirt was worth cannibalizing part of I3 sales and probably even selling at loss for them.
now that there's ryzen its role has lost any relevance, simply as that.

 

[TheELF]

Do you still need an Intel exec to tell you that yes we are not selling well with our i3's and won't produce 4t Pentium cpu's until we make our money back? Most source's will NOT and will Never post their true sources. Use common sense with AMD and Intel. Even all Corps.

How does this make any sense?
People build systems around the g4560 because they have very low budgets they are not just going to pay double the price for a i3,they are going to wait even if it takes months to get a cheap g4560.
So no matter how long the supply will be low nobody will buy an i3 because of that,people with a bit more money to spend will be going straight to an i5 if they are in a hurry.
Cutting g4560 supply to sell i3's makes zero sense.
People are stupid but not that stupid.