News on Ivy Bridge-E?

[tweakboy]

12 core is for Xeon lineup only. I wouldn't expect more than 8 cores for desktop, if even that.

Your probably right on this one.

8 core is enough for me 16 threads :awe::awe::awe:
Ivy bridge E comes out with 6 core and possibly 8 core for desktop.

The other 2 models are Xeon E models,, 10 and 12 core. gl

 

[bunnyfubbles]

yeah, I'm pretty curious how the Ivy-E lineup will flesh out. Native 6 core options? 8, 10, 12 core at the upper end?

12 core does sound too good to be true if its taking this long to get a full 8 core i7 in the 3980X. However I'd be ecstatic to get a 10 core and still very happy with at least an 8 core in an Ivy-E in Q3. A native 6 core Ivy would also be interesting depending on how Haswell does.

 

[BrightCandle]

I can justify 6 cores with slightly lower overclock no problem, I get benefits in certain workloads where it makes a big difference. The question is really if at 8/10/12 I can still get similar clock speeds while overclocked? I have a custom water loop and pretty soon I'll be able to deal with well over 350W from the CPU if needed so I wonder if they would clock that high regardless of required cooling or they just wouldn't clock high at all.

 

[tweakboy]

Ya honestly I would take a 6 core 12 thread Ivy core and be happy and content until 2020. hehe..

 

[Bubba77]

The question i keep asking myself is if im building now or soon, Should i go 2011 or wait for haswell. I like the idea of sandy-e with an upgrade to ivy-e. Ive had the build itch for months and was waiting for haswell.

Main purpose is gaming but money is not a concern. Not considering price/performance im wondering which platform id be better served by. I have nehalem so i can hold out a while

 

[ShintaiDK]

The question i keep asking myself is if im building now or soon, Should i go 2011 or wait for haswell. I like the idea of sandy-e with an upgrade to ivy-e. Ive had the build itch for months and was waiting for haswell.

Main purpose is gaming but money is not a concern. Not considering price/performance im wondering which platform id be better served by. I have nehalem so i can hold out a while

SB to IB serves a minimal purpose. Not sure what you expect to gain, besides the possible 2 more cores and/or lower TDP.

Haswell is an uarch overhaul. And a 4 core Haswell will be faster than an 8 core IB in Linpack for example.

 

[Bubba77]

I just like the idea of having some kind of upgrade path. My current case is falling apart and its noisy as heck so I am trying to justify upgrading now vs waiting until julyish with haswell.

 

[Ajay]

SB to IB serves a minimal purpose. Not sure what you expect to gain, besides the possible 2 more cores and/or lower TDP.

Haswell is an uarch overhaul. And a 4 core Haswell will be faster than an 8 core IB in Linpack for example.

Would be nice for F@H since the 8 core model will appear as 16 logical cores to the OS and allow the running of Big Advanced WU which yield mega PPD. Once new cores optimized for Haswell are out there should be a ~2x speed-up, but 8 cores and BA WUs should still be faster (unless the clocks on the octo-core are low and don't OC well).

X79 needs a revision to be competitive with the consumer chipsets anyway - kind of sad as it stands anyway :|

Aside DC projects and workstation apps, there's probably not much of point to getting Intel's "enthusiast" platform.

 

[exar333]

Hoping for a 8C model that I can get to a similar freq as my 3930k under similar cooling equipment. 20% less power usage with 25% more cores hopefully is mostly a wash.

 

[tynopik]

I just like the idea of having some kind of upgrade path. My current case is falling apart and its noisy as heck so I am trying to justify upgrading now vs waiting until julyish with haswell.

either go ivy or wait for Haswell

getting 2011 so you have an 'upgrade path' is silliness

 

[InsaneAdam]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubba77

I just like the idea of having some kind of upgrade path. My current case is falling apart and its noisy as heck so I am trying to justify upgrading now vs waiting until julyish with haswell.

either go ivy or wait for Haswell

getting 2011 so you have an 'upgrade path' is silliness

Depends... But maybe not. I just bought a 3820, x79 board, ram, cpu cooler, and a new gpu. Out of necessity. Because my old rig was falling apart (5 years old). the parts haven't even arrived yet. But I chose the x79 and 3820 over the 1155 cpu and board because I knew that the 2011 socket has more room to go. So this time next year if I want I can upgrade to a 6-10 core ivb-e and be set for a good long while. Besides I don't think I'll want to buy a haswell, because then I would have to throw away my 32gb of ddr3 ram just to by some over priced ddr4 ram and buy a new mother board and cooler.


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[tynopik]

So this time next year if I want I can upgrade to a 6-10 core ivb-e and be set for a good long while.

Unless your work is strongly multi-threaded, haswell will be faster

Besides I don't think I'll want to buy a haswell, because then I would have to throw away my 32gb of ddr3 ram just to by some over priced ddr4 ram

Haswell will still use DDR3

it's just some of the server versions that will move to DDR4

 

[crashtech]

getting 2011 so you have an 'upgrade path' is silliness

Why do you think so? At this point I'd say 2011 makes more sense than 1155, if you can afford it.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Haswell-E/EP/EX will be a new socket and with DDR4. So LGA2011 being a better upgrade path sounds alittle silly.

The server platform follows the same tick/tock method, its just delayed compared to the desktop.

 

[crashtech]

I didn't think he was comparing 2011 to Haswell, but 2011 to 1155 for high performance use today.

Does anyone even know what the next server socket will be?

 

[cytg111]

I have nehalem so i can hold out a while.

.. Dude 1155 and 2011 is EOL this coming season .. going SB-IB even, say, 6 core to 10 core, you really really really have to know what you're going to use those cores for. Unless you're a specialist, not waiting for haswell would be a crime to your wallet.

(and specialist software, i imagine, is the first to adopt haswells tsx/avx2.. unless perhaps you're keeping your own hosting company in your basement on cheapo hardware, no i dont see the reasoning.. )

 

[Ajay]

Haswell-E/EP/EX will be a new socket and with DDR4. So LGA2011 being a better upgrade path sounds alittle silly.

The server platform follows the same tick/tock method, its just delayed compared to the desktop.

Yeah, only problem is when will that be out? Seems like the only consequence of AMD's fall from grace is that Intel seems to be stretching out the Extreme Enthusiast class platform releases (though, that market probably isn't growing) :|

IVB-E is coming out > six months after it is released on the server side, IIRC.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Haswell-E/EP/EX will be a new socket and with DDR4. So LGA2011 being a better upgrade path sounds alittle silly.

Still waiting for Ivy-E ,hope we fellow X79 owners don't get the sh*tend of the stick and get shafted with no Ivy-E.:awe:

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yeah, only problem is when will that be out? Seems like the only consequence of AMD's fall from grace is that Intel seems to be stretching out the Extreme Enthusiast class platform releases (though, that market probably isn't growing) :|

IVB-E is coming out > six months after it is released on the server side, IIRC.

Should be out in late 2014.

 

[tweakboy]

Im gonna do a simple drop upgrade, Grab a Ivy E 8 core and slap it on my mobo, and a BIOS upgrade to support it.

 

[tweakboy]

yeah, I'm pretty curious how the Ivy-E lineup will flesh out. Native 6 core options? 8, 10, 12 core at the upper end?

12 core does sound too good to be true if its taking this long to get a full 8 core i7 in the 3980X. However I'd be ecstatic to get a 10 core and still very happy with at least an 8 core in an Ivy-E in Q3. A native 6 core Ivy would also be interesting depending on how Haswell does.

They say there is 4 or 5 I believe models of Ivy Bridge E.

A quad, 6core, 8core ...then Xeon Ivy Bridge E , to 12core 24 thread.

Ill gladly take a nice 8 core with 16 threads..... thats heavenly. gl

 

[Ajay]

Should be out in late 2014.

HW-E? Or HW-EP/EX?? And is that 'should be' on an official roadmap yet?
Not trying to be a PITA, but I might consider putting off an upgrade to IVB-E, if HW-E is going to be only a year or so behind IVB-E (and hope that the chipset for HW-E is much better than X79).

I can pick up a used i7 980 (+50% more threads & + 15% higher clocks would be a nice boost in F@H, and provide a bit more oomph for gaming), to hold me over and maybe upgrade my vid cards.

TIA!

 

[ShintaiDK]

HW-E? Or HW-EP/EX?? And is that 'should be' on an official roadmap yet?
Not trying to be a PITA, but I might consider putting off an upgrade to IVB-E, if HW-E is going to be only a year or so behind IVB-E (and hope that the chipset for HW-E is much better than X79).

I can pick up a used i7 980 (+50% more threads & + 15% higher clocks would be a nice boost in F@H, and provide a bit more oomph for gaming), to hold me over and maybe upgrade my vid cards.

TIA!

Haswell E(N)/EP will come in 2014 on the Grantley platform with socket R3.

Its also mentioned at several places.

But at that time, Broadwell is out on the desktop. And Skylake aint far behind.

 

[Ajay]

Haswell E(N)/EP will come in 2014 on the Grantley platform with socket R3.


But at that time, Broadwell is out on the desktop. And Skylake aint far behind.

The thing with Desktop chips is they don't have full VT support ('K' series for overclocking).

With the server based variants I can overclock and run Virtual machines with no problems. I haven't read up to see if the feature missing in the K series affects VMWare.

The plus with Haswell-E, is that I expect that it will sustain 50% higher floating point perf. through AVX 2.0 (Yeah, the core up to L2$ are twice as fast as Ivy, but I'm guessing in a real app like F@H the sustained FLOPS won't be that high) - so that's a pretty big increase for F@H once Pande Group gets it dialed in. And if I get an 8-core CPU (16T), I can run Big Advanced Units and rack up even more points (and compile code faster, especially once I'm on a SATA III mobo).

Thank for the info :thumbsup:

 

[tweakboy]

Lets pray Ivy E comes out by August.

The CPU Im using now pownz and I dont need a upgrade, but the thought of 8 cores 16 threads makes my mouth very watery. gl