Next-Gen Console Poll

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Midwayman

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I wonder if either of the consoles will support mouse input for FPS? That's always been my biggest hangup on gaming with consoles.
 

KaOTiK

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I wonder if either of the consoles will support mouse input for FPS? That's always been my biggest hangup on gaming with consoles.

The PS3 allowed it but I think only 1 or 2 games ever supported it. Only one I know for sure was Unreal Tournament 3.
 

AstroManLuca

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I wonder if either of the consoles will support mouse input for FPS? That's always been my biggest hangup on gaming with consoles.

If you want keyboard and mouse, use a PC for gaming. If you want to play on consoles, learn the control scheme. I'm sure you can understand that by giving everyone the same controls, you're putting people on equal footing.
 

Midwayman

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If you want keyboard and mouse, use a PC for gaming. If you want to play on consoles, learn the control scheme. I'm sure you can understand that by giving everyone the same controls, you're putting people on equal footing.

The trouble is that its an inferior control scheme. Its not just for FPS either. Other games like RTS are better. UI that doesn't require all sorts of clicks to do anything is easier to design, etc, etc. I always understood the reason they didn't support it was they wanted to distance themselves from the perception of being a PC. I understand the level playing field, but that only makes sense if people are hacking in mice (check) or playing cross platform vs pc (check, and failed due to the differences) If every console gamer can just hook up a $10usb mouse there isn't a balance issue. They just are choosing to handicap themselves.
 

tdawg

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Hasn't this "I want a mouse and keyboard to play my console games" issue been beaten to death? No console player wants to try to use a KB/mouse from the comfort of their couch. If I want to play games at my desk in front of a monitor, the PC is there. But if I want friends to come over and play, or I simply want to lay back and enjoy gaming on my HDTV, the controller is the way to go. If you want to play games with a KB/mouse, just play on your PC with other PC users and leave console players in peace.
 

zerocool84

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Nov 11, 2004
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The trouble is that its an inferior control scheme. Its not just for FPS either. Other games like RTS are better. UI that doesn't require all sorts of clicks to do anything is easier to design, etc, etc. I always understood the reason they didn't support it was they wanted to distance themselves from the perception of being a PC. I understand the level playing field, but that only makes sense if people are hacking in mice (check) or playing cross platform vs pc (check, and failed due to the differences) If every console gamer can just hook up a $10usb mouse there isn't a balance issue. They just are choosing to handicap themselves.

No they are not handicapping themselves. Only some people would have the mouse so it'd be unfair. Plus it's not hard to get good with a controller, practice and you easily get competent. I play PC games and console and it's extremely easy to get good on both. Seriously, why do people just not practice? Hell, an hour is more than enough to get the hang of it.
 

Arkaign

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True, an average player with a kb/mouse will absolutely murder even very good players using a controller, unless aimassist is hyperactive.

While it's tempting to offer more options, the backlash would be epic. CoD bros everywhere would be either crying tears of blood at getting owned, or trolling the crap out of everyone with their KB/mouse setup.

Lets leave consoles where they are, they're fine. While I personally think playing FPS with a controller, gimped hardware, and 1080p limited displays is a bit weak, it works for the overwhelming majority of console players. Let it be.
 

Arkaign

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To add to that, the games that are truly better on console such as Racing, Sports, Fighting, Platformers, Puzzle games, etc, all are useless with a kb/mouse. So it's a perfect setup.
 

Arkaign

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Voted

PS4

:thumbsup:

Ditto, though I wish there was a WiiU option as well.

I'll stick with PC and 360/PS3/Wii for now, probably pick up WiiU when the next respin/price drop happens along with more titles, pick up a PS4 after enough nice exclusives hit, and Xbone, well I wouldn't take one for free until I could take a steaming dump on it and mail it to Ballmer's front door.
 

HeXen

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I tend to like the playstation stuff better, The UI's, style..etc.
 

HeXen

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And how long has the WiiU been out yet it still don't have a decent catalog of games? Sorry but Nintendo waited too long and gave up its large head start it had. Call me when a new Metroid or Zelda comes out, not an HD remake.

yeah, I think they should have just updated the hardware with forward and backward compatability with existing and future titles and kept the basic wii control design, just worked on accuracy and more ease of use or something.

Better yet they should just go Sega and be a software only company.
 

Malak

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I think a lot of people are being short sighted by focusing on the situation on launch day rather than looking at which console will have the advantage over the entire dev cycle. This is the same argument that was used against the PS3 at launch and because of pricing, loss of Linux & backward compatability etc and by the end of the cycle (now) the PS3 pretty much caught up.

There's nothing to be short-sighted about here. 360 had a head start from PS3, and PS3 launched at a higher price point. That's the only reason it took a while for it to catch up, but the PS3 actually had massive benefits for that premium price. Xbox1 has nothing over the PS4, in face the PS4 will still have better hardware again only this time it will be cheaper. Sony hit Microsoft with a haymaker before round 1 even started. I'm honestly worried about how lopsided this fight is because it will probably mean PS4 shortages for a long time.
 

QuikWgn

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There's nothing to be short-sighted about here. 360 had a head start from PS3, and PS3 launched at a higher price point. That's the only reason it took a while for it to catch up, but the PS3 actually had massive benefits for that premium price. Xbox1 has nothing over the PS4, in face the PS4 will still have better hardware again only this time it will be cheaper. Sony hit Microsoft with a haymaker before round 1 even started. I'm honestly worried about how lopsided this fight is because it will probably mean PS4 shortages for a long time.

I will agree to disagree. I think MS is looking at what the gaming/home entertainment climate will be when the PS4/X-Bone cycle is mature. As tablets and phones continue to increase in popularity things like SmartGlass which basically integrates to any andriod device (wanna talk install base between android and the Vita?) will have far more integration with X-Bone features IMO than 'wow I can stream my PS4 game to my Vita!' Just about everything can game now and as APU's and SOC become more popular and their install bases increase I see that as playing more towards MS vision of what they want the X-Bone to be than the PS4 "we are the gaming rig" mantra. I know it is not fashionable to say anything nice about the X-Bone, but I don't really care. It might be taking a beating in the press, but we'll see where the roadmap takes us in the full dev cycle. Personally I am far more worried about the future of sytems like the Ouya and Android powered consoles over a 10 year cycle...
 

KaOTiK

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I will agree to disagree. I think MS is looking at what the gaming/home entertainment climate will be when the PS4/X-Bone cycle is mature. As tablets and phones continue to increase in popularity things like SmartGlass which basically integrates to any andriod device (wanna talk install base between android and the Vita?) will have far more integration with X-Bone features IMO than 'wow I can stream my PS4 game to my Vita!' Just about everything can game now and as APU's and SOC become more popular and their install bases increase I see that as playing more towards MS vision of what they want the X-Bone to be than the PS4 "we are the gaming rig" mantra. I know it is not fashionable to say anything nice about the X-Bone, but I don't really care. It might be taking a beating in the press, but we'll see where the roadmap takes us in the full dev cycle. Personally I am far more worried about the future of sytems like the Ouya and Android powered consoles over a 10 year cycle...

There was some game stuff showed off during E3 from devs on the PS4 where it made use of tablets too. This isn't some kind of revolutionary or exclusive idea to one console or another.
 

Arkaign

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There was some game stuff showed off during E3 from devs on the PS4 where it made use of tablets too. This isn't some kind of revolutionary or exclusive idea to one console or another.

Not only that, but I don't think enough people honestly GAF about that 'feature'. It's basically worthless and adds nothing.
 

KaOTiK

Lifer
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Not only that, but I don't think enough people honestly GAF about that 'feature'. It's basically worthless and adds nothing.

Yeah, I found it rather amusing in general all these devs/pubs where like omg look what you can do with your tablet/phone while you are playing. I was like, hello McFly, heard of the fucking Wii U? Damn things controller has the tablet built right in lol.
 

Malak

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Yeah tablet/smartphone integration is irrelevant. That's why the WiiU and Vita aren't selling like hotcakes, that's just not how people want to game.
 
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