Next gen M cars. . .

[Koenigsegg]

The M3 has gone from 240hp, to 333hp, and supposedly will hit 400hp with the new one.

M5's have gone from 310hp to 400hp in the last gen M5, to the current gen M5 of 507.

So that's 240-->333-->400, and 310-->400hp-->507 with each succeeding generation.

What we expect next, 500hp M3 and 600hp M5??

 

[geno]

The USDM E36 M3 needed more power, frickin Germans got the Double VANOS motors putting out something like 320HP.... 320HP in an E36? I'm game!

But 240, damn thing would get beat out by a V6 altima ok maybe not, but I'm just bitter about not getting the real deal, what we got was so watered down

 

[pray4mojo]

Originally posted by: geno
The USDM E36 M3 needed more power, frickin Germans got the Double VANOS motors putting out something like 320HP.... 320HP in an E36? I'm game!

But 240, damn thing would get beat out by a V6 altima ok maybe not, but I'm just bitter about not getting the real deal, what we got was so watered down

We Americans always get the watered down imported cars.

 

[MazerRackham]

My friend has an E36 M3 (1998), and 240 hp is MORE THAN ENOUGH. That thing is incredible.

Quite possibly the most perfect car I've ever driven.

 

[SilentZero]

<--- Owner of a E46 M3, and 333hp is no where near enough! Hopefully the next M will push ~425

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: SilentZero
<--- Owner of a E46 M3, and 333hp is no where near enough! Hopefully the next M will push ~425

Enough for what? Freeway racing?

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: SilentZero
<--- Owner of a E46 M3, and 333hp is no where near enough! Hopefully the next M will push ~425

Amen. Much much too heavy for just 333hp.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: MazerRackham
My friend has an E36 M3 (1998), and 240 hp is MORE THAN ENOUGH. That thing is incredible.

Quite possibly the most perfect car I've ever driven.

:thumbsup:

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: MazerRackham
My friend has an E36 M3 (1998), and 240 hp is MORE THAN ENOUGH.

No way, 240 is weak sauce

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: MazerRackham
My friend has an E36 M3 (1998), and 240 hp is MORE THAN ENOUGH.

No way, 240 is weak sauce

I dunno about that. IMO it gives the car a near-perfect balance. It admittedly isn't going to win a drag race with a ZO6, but the E36 has incredible handling, great steering and braking feel, and a relatively comfy ride. I guess it's a matter of your priorities, but as an all-around road car I don't see 240 bhp, as implemented in the E36 M3, as too little.

 

[AdamSnow]

I'd take a new M3 anyday

 

[J Heartless Slick]

Originally posted by: Koenigsegg
The M3 has gone from 240hp, to 333hp, and supposedly will hit 400hp with the new one.

M5's have gone from 310hp to 400hp in the last gen M5, to the current gen M5 of 507.

So that's 240-->333-->400, and 310-->400hp-->507 with each succeeding generation.

What we expect next, 500hp M3 and 600hp M5??

You need a turbocharged\supercharged 4-5.5 liter or a large, ~7 liter V-8 to produce 500 hp and a turbocharged\supercharged 6-7 liter V8 or V12 to produced over 600 hp.

 

[akubi]

doh, i only have a 330i

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Slam an LS7 in a Z3 and lets have a party

Note: the LS7 weighs in at about 450LBs (complete, fully dressed, w/ clutch). BMW's "small six" weighs in at 390.

 

[KentState]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: MazerRackham
My friend has an E36 M3 (1998), and 240 hp is MORE THAN ENOUGH.

No way, 240 is weak sauce

I dunno about that. IMO it gives the car a near-perfect balance. It admittedly isn't going to win a drag race with a ZO6, but the E36 has incredible handling, great steering and braking feel, and a relatively comfy ride. I guess it's a matter of your priorities, but as an all-around road car I don't see 240 bhp, as implemented in the E36 M3, as too little.

The E36 just feels slow and it's due to the low hp. Yes, the handling, braking, and steering feel great, but due to the low power, they really don't have a lot to put up with. I don't see why an all around road car, can't have more horsepower and still be implemented well. Then again, BMW feels that it isn't enough and has been upping with each generation with success and without loss of braking, steering, and handling.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: J Heartless Slick

You need a turbocharged\supercharged 4-5.5 liter or a large, ~7 liter V-8 to produce 500 hp and a turbocharged\supercharged 6-7 liter V8 or V12 to produced over 600 hp.

Uh, no. The Ferrari F430 gets 490 bhp from a normally-aspirated 4.3L V-8, and the M5 gets 507 bhp from a normally-aspirated 5.0L V-10.

I personally think the recent horsepower wars have to stop, or at least slow, eventually. Traction control systems are the main reason carmakers are able to produce such powerful road cars, but there's still the issue of where one can productively use that kind of power. Even an E36 M3, with "only" 240 bhp, is largely wasted on American, British, or Japanese roads, and these markets make up a large share of the total potential audience for these cars. Also, fuel costs are getting burdensome even for people of means, particularly if they aren't enjoying any real-world benefit from having 400-600 bhp.

 

[mitmot]

i want me an m3

 

[DoOLiE11]

love my e46 m3

 

[Koenigsegg]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: SilentZero
<--- Owner of a E46 M3, and 333hp is no where near enough! Hopefully the next M will push ~425

Amen. Much much too heavy for just 333hp.

0-60 in ~5 seconds is not slow by anyone's standards.

 

[The Linuxator]

Let me supercharge a BMW 850 CSI and let me see if any of those M series can catch up with it

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
Let me supercharge a BMW 850 CSI and let me see if any of those M series can catch up with it

Do they get a supercharger too?

 

[The Linuxator]

No we got to keep it fair, the 850 CSI isn't an M series, it's not tuned for racing, plus it's as heavy as hell, so we need supercharger in the 850 CSI to balance things out personally I don't care that much about HorsePower I am not a formula 1 driver nor I would like to get my license suspended after two months from me getting the speedy car, give me a Black 850 CSI non-tuned nothing else and that's a car that I would like to die in

850 CSI Check the videos of this car on the Autobhan doing insane speeds just one day before the speed limit was imposed !!!!

 

[Inspector Jihad]

the new m6 made my pants tight

 

[Rektide]

Just shut up and drop a Chevy V8 into it.

Best part is that the E36 M3 had this huge iron I6 in it, iirc. WWwwaaayy to heavy for 240 hp. You could drop a massive aluminum V8 in, save 80-120 pounds and fly like the devil. Amazing.
I do not think that is true with the new M3's though. =]

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
the new m6 made my pants tight

I love the M6 but the 850 CSI is the genuine deal for me at least it's got that 90's BMW spirit ROAAAAAAAR!!! the 850csi has been my dream since I first glanced one on the Highway I was stoned by the looks and the way it sounds., but guess what my friend has this magazine called Beamer and in it BMW discloses to the magazine that the 8 series is to return in 2008-10 YES