NextGen Console Graphics And Effects on PC (E3 Coverage!)

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blastingcap

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I think the biggest issue for the current mid-range cards is the 2GB VRAM. I'll not be surprised if even the 2GB model of the GTX 770 will have aged badly two years from now

Yeah but remember how consoles held PCs back? We get to return the favor re: VRAM. Programmers program for the lowest common denominators, which for the longest time was xb360/ps3. In the future that bottleneck will splinter:

CPU - bottlenecked by xbo/ps4
GPU - bottlenecked by xbo
VRAM - bottlenecked by PC gaming cards (nobody develops games for only high-end cards, and gamedevs who make cross-platform games will likely make sure that older PCs can still play the game)

In the near term, we'll probably end up with console ports that intentionally have settings that use less VRAM to allow the game to run on PC with 2GB or less of VRAM.

In the longer term, this problem will fix itself as video card VRAM amounts catch up/surpass to the consoles.
 

96Firebird

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Isn't that what graphics settings are for though? Lower the settings for less VRAM needed, or hit the VRAM wall and kill performance if you use too high settings.
 

Stuka87

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Yeah but remember how consoles held PCs back? We get to return the favor re: VRAM. Programmers program for the lowest common denominators, which for the longest time was xb360/ps3. In the future that bottleneck will splinter:

CPU - bottlenecked by xbo/ps4
GPU - bottlenecked by xbo
VRAM - bottlenecked by PC gaming cards (nobody develops games for only high-end cards, and gamedevs who make cross-platform games will likely make sure that older PCs can still play the game)

In the near term, we'll probably end up with console ports that intentionally have settings that use less VRAM to allow the game to run on PC with 2GB or less of VRAM.

In the longer term, this problem will fix itself as video card VRAM amounts catch up/surpass to the consoles.

Not sure this will be the case. The XBO is actually memory constrained due to it running multiple OS's at the same time. Which could be why some of its trailers looked kind of 'eh'.
 

VulgarDisplay

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I think people need to understand that the true "Next-Gen" visuals won't be coming until we see are complete shift in how games are rendered. Once we have Ray-Tracing at high FPS then we may actually see an improvement. What this console generation represents is a ramping up of the scale of the game worlds we get to play in. I also expect the interactions with the worlds to become more complex and realistic. This will be the "Open-World" generation if any of these E3 trailers are indicative of what's coming. That's fine by me because a true and realistic open world experience is the holy grail of gaming.
 

Olikan

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Once we have Ray-Tracing at high FPS then we may actually see an improvement.

sorry to disapoint you, but ray-tracing in FPS will baraly help anything...

unless the game leads you to a a very bright room, with lots of cristals
 

Zanovar

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Really looking forward to these new consoles,really looking forward to how lazy unlazy, the game developers are when these games hit the pc.
 
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Carfax83

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I actually played Witcher 2 and was able to play it on High on a 1080p screen. It was not at all that impressive. It ran well on high on my 4.2Ghz i5 750 and AMD 4850.

Witcher 2 is impressive only if you remember it is a DX9 title, otherwise it just looks great.

Also, your specs definitely explains a lot of why you're so overly impressed with the PS4 and XBO. If you had a newer rig, you'd probably be singing a different tune.

I never played Crysis 3 though. I played Crysis 1 and thought that was jaw dropping at the time. I did not think Crysis 3 was jaw dropping.

So you never played Crysis 3....figures
 

Carfax83

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I think the biggest issue for the current mid-range cards is the 2GB VRAM. I'll not be surprised if even the 2GB model of the GTX 770 will have aged badly two years from now

I think you're exaggering the importance of VRAM. VRAM is only a buffer..

I can still play the latest games, including Crysis 3 at very high settings @ 2560x1440 with very smooth frame rates on my overclocked 580 SLI rig and they only have 1.5GB of VRAM a piece.

The 2GB 770 models should be viable for a long time, because they have high memory bandwidth (much higher than the PS4 and XBO) and memory bandwidth is more important than capacity for GPUs.
 

Anubis

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Some posters here will claim that the console screenshots/movies are unimpressive no matter what.

this is true

TBH the one that impressed me most was that tech demo of the wizard/warlock Sony showed. it looked the best on the stream IMO. however i still feel PCs are better. new consoles have gotten a lot better with lighting and particle effects that much is clear

i run a 3770k with a 7950. and nothing the consoles showed can top when i can do if i choose to run something on max settings. however thats all irrellevent as graphics alone do not make a game
 

epidemis

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Yea, graphics looked great.

Yes, I think the graphics will look equally good on the PC but you're going to need more than a $500 PC to get it look up to par to the new consoles. That's where the value of consoles is.

I remember when the XBox 360/PS3 were announced and I was running the still state of the art ATI 9800Pro at that time. There was no way I was able to run any of those next gen games with my 9800Pro.

I think you can run Xbox One games at lower settings with a midrange - high midrandge cards but you'd need a highend card to keep up.

Just the way it is. Console games are completely optimized. PC games will need better hardware to keep up.

And before PC gamers go crazy about how their $600 video cards have more TFlops, just remember that new generation of consoles will push PC graphics. Developers don't invest in extreme PC graphics first anymore. They invest in consoles then port over to PC.

So really, PC gamers should be happy next-gen consoles are coming out because they can get better looking games on the PC.

You mean it's finally getting to Crysis-levels from 2008?
 

mikegg

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this is true

TBH the one that impressed me most was that tech demo of the wizard/warlock Sony showed. it looked the best on the stream IMO. however i still feel PCs are better. new consoles have gotten a lot better with lighting and particle effects that much is clear

i run a 3770k with a 7950. and nothing the consoles showed can top when i can do if i choose to run something on max settings. however thats all irrellevent as graphics alone do not make a game

Even if you run something on max settings and high resolution, it still doesn't mean it'll look as good as next-gen games. All your PC games have been running on last-gen engines. Developers don't push out next-gen engines until next-gen consoles come out because of cost/benefits.

Like I said in my first post here, next-gen consoles will dramatically increase PC graphics at the same time because developers are putting resources into developing next-gen engines.
 

tential

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I'm going to play Crysis and Tomb Raider the second I set up my rig today. I'll finally see for myself first hand the games I've missed out on haha.

And find my SSD. It seems like UPS decided to NOT GIVE ME MY PACKAGE!. They gave me another one instead lol. So I gotta go find my package now in my neighborhood. So weird going to houses.

People freak out "WTF Black people live here? Oh god...."

Looking at the MGS trailers though, I don't even care if the game isn't graphically as amazing as PC games out now. It looks epic as hell.

Edit: On a side note, I feel like the lighting systems shown in "next gen" consoles looks VERY similar to ENB lighting.
Sometimes I really think I should just hire some people who do this shiit for fun and make a game.
 
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Stuka87

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I'm going to play Crysis and Tomb Raider the second I set up my rig today. I'll finally see for myself first hand the games I've missed out on haha.

And find my SSD. It seems like UPS decided to NOT GIVE ME MY PACKAGE!. They gave me another one instead lol. So I gotta go find my package now in my neighborhood. So weird going to houses.

People freak out "WTF Black people live here? Oh god...."

Looking at the MGS trailers though, I don't even care if the game isn't graphically as amazing as PC games out now. It looks epic as hell.

Edit: On a side note, I feel like the lighting systems shown in "next gen" consoles looks VERY similar to ENB lighting.
Sometimes I really think I should just hire some people who do this shiit for fun and make a game.

This post made me LOL. Did you try calling UPS and asking them if their computer shows a mis-delivered package?
 

sublime420ec

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I'm going to play Crysis and Tomb Raider the second I set up my rig today. I'll finally see for myself first hand the games I've missed out on haha.

And find my SSD. It seems like UPS decided to NOT GIVE ME MY PACKAGE!. They gave me another one instead lol. So I gotta go find my package now in my neighborhood. So weird going to houses.

People freak out "WTF Black people live here? Oh god...."

Looking at the MGS trailers though, I don't even care if the game isn't graphically as amazing as PC games out now. It looks epic as hell.

Edit: On a side note, I feel like the lighting systems shown in "next gen" consoles looks VERY similar to ENB lighting.
Sometimes I really think I should just hire some people who do this shiit for fun and make a game.

lmao....did you ever get your ssd ready to see what u think of ur new pc
 

cmdrdredd

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The MGS5 trailer was in real time. Did you not see the trailer/press conference? Maybe you should watch it before you do.

There's no way in hell BF3 even comes close to MSG5's graphics right now.

Fox Engine is next-gen. Frostbite 2 is last gen. Try again.

What? Battlefield 4 looks way better than MGS5 for sure and that is using Frostbyte, Also Crysis 3 is much better on a technical level. Small details in textures and lighting effects.
 

Red Hawk

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Even if you run something on max settings and high resolution, it still doesn't mean it'll look as good as next-gen games. All your PC games have been running on last-gen engines. Developers don't push out next-gen engines until next-gen consoles come out because of cost/benefits.

Like I said in my first post here, next-gen consoles will dramatically increase PC graphics at the same time because developers are putting resources into developing next-gen engines.

Nope. Cryengine 3 is a next gen engine that Crytek will be using for its next-gen games. It had to be majorly downgraded for the 360/PS3 versions of Crysis 3. Also, even if recent PC games have been running on "last-gen engines", those engines were often modified on PC to support next-gen effects. Bokeh depth of field, horizon based ambient occlusion, tessellation, etc. And of course texture detail level isn't really dependent on just what engine you're using.

There sort of was a problem, though, in that often the next-gen effects were tacked on top of the "last-gen engine", rather than being built from the ground up to support it. This could be felt in games like Dragon Age II or Batman: Arkham City, despite support from AMD or Nvidia in getting those features running. This led to sometimes limited implementations and often poorly optimized performance. It wasn't the case, though, with games like Battlefield 3 or Crysis 3, as the PC was given much priority for them.

Next gen consoles will push PC graphics up across the board, as all developers will be targeting a higher level of detail rather than a few select developers that care about the PC enough. And be designed for it from the ground up will help performance. But let's not pretend that a console with less than 35% of the theoretical performance of a single Radeon HD 7970 GHz edition will provide anything radically better than what has already been done to push said 7970 GHz Edition to its limits.
 
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sxr7171

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Even if you run something on max settings and high resolution, it still doesn't mean it'll look as good as next-gen games. All your PC games have been running on last-gen engines. Developers don't push out next-gen engines until next-gen consoles come out because of cost/benefits.

Like I said in my first post here, next-gen consoles will dramatically increase PC graphics at the same time because developers are putting resources into developing next-gen engines.

Yeah I can't wait. Both camps will benefit.
 

Udgnim

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I am really hoping next gen consoles can produces games that look graphically equivalent to heavily graphic modded PC games (GTA4, Crysis, Skyrim) and start improving from there as developers find better optimization and tricks with the hardware
 
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