Nexus 5 Reviews

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Capt Caveman

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Good to hear.

But overall it was a letdown, maybe the biggest disappointment of the phone. We found our action photos were often blurry, the shutter seemed slow to fire, and night-time shots were usually just a mess. Google tells us that a software fix meant to improve the camera is imminent. We hope so, because it’s a bringdown.
 

Tsaar

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I am sure the g2 cost more than 600.I have to wait on LG updates. I can also get a subsidized version with carrier bloat.

I have a Nexus 7 and love it. I want the Nexus experience.
 

mnewsham

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Oct 2, 2010
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I am sure the g2 cost more than 600.I have to wait on LG updates. I can also get a subsidized version with carrier bloat.

I have a Nexus 7 and love it. I want the Nexus experience.

Well the G2 is the hardware basis for the N5, LG has said the 4.4 update is already in the pipeline and current leaks put it at December, that doesn't seem like a slow update at all...
 

zerogear

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Too bad I hate LG software with a passion. Feels like a bad copy of TouchWiz
 

lopri

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Ars -> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/nexus-5-review-flagship-hardware-for-half-the-price/

Bad review. The reviewer doesn't even have a basic understanding of what Nexus franchise is. Towards the end of the review,

KitKat and stock Android are the big selling points here. You're getting the pure, unadulterated version of Android without the ugly skins that OEMs feel compelled to waste resources on.

Nexus 5 is many things, but pure, unadulterated version of Android is it not. And it is often amusing when I see someone yearning for some kind of "purity." Religious much?

The reviewer couldn't even put the data together in a coherent manner. On GFX tables,





Same test, but on the first chart the N5's Egypt HD is 44 FPS and on the 3rd chart the same test gives the N5 50 FPS.

And no mention of speakers. I am not linking this review to the OP for quality reasons.

Barely a couple of mentions on Moto X, then out-of-the-blue the reviewer finishes his review with the following:

The biggest disappointment is that Motorola completely outdid Google on the voice recognition front. The Nexus 5 is supposed to be the best of Google, but we longingly look at that other Google phone, the Moto X, and wish the Nexus 5 was equally as capable.


I think the person might have been under the influence while writing this review.
 
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StrangerGuy

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Well the G2 is the hardware basis for the N5, LG has said the 4.4 update is already in the pipeline and current leaks put it at December, that doesn't seem like a slow update at all...

Between validation, carrier lock-in and refusal to drop vendor customization I don't think quick official Android updates are happening anytime soon outside Nexus devices.
 

s44

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Nexus ≠ Pure Android. While Google gets the first upgrade (I don't know how exactly this system works) but with the Nexus 5 Google made it clearer than ever that Nexus devices are basically hardware that run Google's skin/ROM of Android.
This is a great way of putting it, which I'm planning to steal from you.
 

mnewsham

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Too bad I hate LG software with a passion. Feels like a bad copy of TouchWiz

Have you used the G2 for more than a solid 10 minutes? If you have, have you seen some of the ROMs for the G2? I personally don't like the LG software, but you can turn off most of what is annoying, and some of the features are actually really useful, the Snapdragon 800 is fast enough that even with the LG software it is always smooth and lag free.






Between validation, carrier lock-in and refusal to drop vendor customization I don't think quick official Android updates are happening anytime soon outside Nexus devices.

So even though LG came out and said they are already working on a 4.4 update you think it's going to take ahwile... it's not unreasonable to suspect that LG the company who made the N5 might be able to update the phone that essentially was the basis OF the N5 with 4.4 Kitkat fairly soon after it's release, I will admit that LG updates are usually slower than that, but honestly, is getting a gimped phone worth the 4.4 update slightly faster? I mean it's nice and all, but 4.3 or 4.2 are not suddenly shit because 4.4 released.
 
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jiffylube1024

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They got taken down. Here are the numbers for the N5 that were posted:

Wifi Browsing: 10.83
2g/3g browsing: 6.436
4g lte browsing: 6.929

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c.../Bench/SmartPhone13+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

If true, that shows just how impressive the LTE Envelope tracking really is. It makes sense because the envelope tracking phones (N5, G2, Note 3) blow the doors off other Android phones with LTE.

In the LTE results, the N5 handily beats the SGS4 by almost 1.5 hours, despite a smaller battery, and the Nexus 4 by 2 hours! So much for 1080p being a problem for battery life! Also, for many of us upgrading from the SGS3, the N4 absolutely spanks the SGS3, which gets only 4.3 hrs of LTE browsing.

Also, the WiFi browsing score is the same as the LG G2. WTF!? That is insane.

Sadly, most review sites just don't get it -- they use things like 50% brightness or 100% brightness for all their phones, which is insane because every phone has a different useable brightness range. Of course the phones that go brighter do shittier in reviews like that!
 

Trombe

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Is this envelope tracking an s800 feature or exclusive to just that handful of phones?
 

jiffylube1024

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Is this envelope tracking an s800 feature or exclusive to just that handful of phones?

Envelope tracking is part of the QFE1100 ET chip. It's on the Nexus 5 and Note 3 but I hear conflicting reports of whether or not it's on the LG G2.

https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/386650462763503617

So it's not on all S800 phones but it should be on all S800's going forward. It may also be on the Exynos version of the Note 3 as well (by using the same Qualcomm QFE1100 ET chip).
 

Shftup

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If true, that shows just how impressive the LTE Envelope tracking really is. It makes sense because the envelope tracking phones (N5, G2, Note 3) blow the doors off other Android phones with LTE.

In the LTE results, the N5 handily beats the SGS4 by almost 1.5 hours, despite a smaller battery, and the Nexus 4 by 2 hours! So much for 1080p being a problem for battery life! Also, for many of us upgrading from the SGS3, the N4 absolutely spanks the SGS3, which gets only 4.3 hrs of LTE browsing.

Also, the WiFi browsing score is the same as the LG G2. WTF!? That is insane.

Sadly, most review sites just don't get it -- they use things like 50% brightness or 100% brightness for all their phones, which is insane because every phone has a different useable brightness range. Of course the phones that go brighter do shittier in reviews like that!

Typically Anandtech sets brightness to 200 nits, so its more of an apples to apples on their site, vs others as you noted.
 
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Actually 200 nits isn't a perfect test either considering most people don't calibrate their phones for a fixed brightness.

I'd argue that since most users use auto brightness, it might be more useful to benchmark under auto brightness under controlled ambient lighting conditions. The fact is, if the N5 screen is too bright as many users are reporting, then it will definitely affect battery life for the average user, and they should be aware.

Likewise, 50% isn't completely invalid. If you use the phone in a bright area and it consistently ramps close to 100% brightness, and you find it too bright, or if you want to save some power, maybe 50% might make sense. Furthermore, when I had an N4, all the screen color calibration junkies would run at 50% because auto brightness will skew your calibration. Calibration should be done at a fixed brightness. So it's not entirely irrelevant. Plus the users who don't use auto brightness set their phones to a manual brightness, and 50% is a reasonable reference point.

Before you bring up the fact that some users use Lux or use CM to modify the brightness curves, that's a pretty advanced user there. Most users don't bother with this. I'm not saying 200 nits is wrong, but I'm saying there's other ways to benchmark too that aren't completely wrong either.
 

thedosbox

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Ars -> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/nexus-5-review-flagship-hardware-for-half-the-price/

Bad review. The reviewer doesn't even have a basic understanding of what Nexus franchise is. Towards the end of the review,



Nexus 5 is many things, but pure, unadulterated version of Android is it not. And it is often amusing when I see someone yearning for some kind of "purity." Religious much?

The reviewer couldn't even put the data together in a coherent manner. On GFX tables,

Same test, but on the first chart the N5's Egypt HD is 44 FPS and on the 3rd chart the same test gives the N5 50 FPS.

And no mention of speakers. I am not linking this review to the OP for quality reasons.

Barely a couple of mentions on Moto X, then out-of-the-blue the reviewer finishes his review with the following:




I think the person might have been under the influence while writing this review.

You should read more closely - the offscreen results are consistent, so this is likely a copy/paste error. Speaker performance was mentioned on the first page

The performance results section was written by a second author. The first two pages were written by Ron Amadeo, who's previously written for Androidpolice. Who wrote the conclusion is unclear.

As for the debate about stock android, it's clear google has a very specific vision for what the android user experience should be - and that the nexus devices are meant to embody it. At this point, I'd consider "stock android" a convenient shorthand for their vision.
 

kevinsbane

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Actually 200 nits isn't a perfect test either considering most people don't calibrate their phones for a fixed brightness.

I'd argue that since most users use auto brightness, it might be more useful to benchmark under auto brightness under controlled ambient lighting conditions. The fact is, if the N5 screen is too bright as many users are reporting, then it will definitely affect battery life for the average user, and they should be aware.

Likewise, 50% isn't completely invalid. If you use the phone in a bright area and it consistently ramps close to 100% brightness, and you find it too bright, or if you want to save some power, maybe 50% might make sense. Furthermore, when I had an N4, all the screen color calibration junkies would run at 50% because auto brightness will skew your calibration. Calibration should be done at a fixed brightness. So it's not entirely irrelevant. Plus the users who don't use auto brightness set their phones to a manual brightness, and 50% is a reasonable reference point.

Before you bring up the fact that some users use Lux or use CM to modify the brightness curves, that's a pretty advanced user there. Most users don't bother with this. I'm not saying 200 nits is wrong, but I'm saying there's other ways to benchmark too that aren't completely wrong either.
I think standard brightness is good, but it would be interesting to record a set of data that simulates a series of standard lighting conditions someone would go through and put a phone through that.
 
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