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purbeast0

No Lifer
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Snyder seems to be selling the Commanders. I think there are a lot of happy Washington fans out there including @purebeast

Yup I was listening to the local stations when the news broke and I've been glued to it since then.

Man oh man this could be a huge day in this franchises history!

I could change my avatar!
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
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Too much book cookin' for that abhorrent abusive cheapskate to stick around any longer.

And actually beating Irsay's team must have been the tipping point. /sarcasm.

Will not get too excited until the ink is down on the paper and he binds himself to a deal.
 

jpiniero

Lifer
Oct 1, 2010
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Snyder seems to be selling the Commanders. I think there are a lot of happy Washington fans out there including @purebeast


If I were selling a $8B business, Bank of America is the last company I would call, lol.

The dumb thing is that the real reason Snyder is selling is because the NFL wants a new stadium and Snyder is obviously not very popular with the pols. The stadium they do have isn't that old. I personally think it's a bad idea but I could see the NFL wanting to fleece taxpayers and get a new staidum built for the new owner where RFK is now.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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Why local governments continue to believe the lie that investing in stadiums is a good economic policy is beyond me
 
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purbeast0

No Lifer
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There are also reports that they have 24 owners willing to vote him out but they are letting him go this route instead because it will just be better for everyone.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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Why local governments continue to believe the lie that investing in stadiums is a good economic policy is beyond me
It can definitely be good.

You should see the area where the Washington Nationals ballpark is. Before that, the place was one of the worst places you'd want to step foot in when in DC. It wasn't safe and was in the shittiest parts of DC.

Now though it's a destination. There are bars all around there, higher income living, etc. It completely turned that area around. Not to mention they won a World Series a few years ago so they are super popular.

But with a team like the Commanders, who have been the dredges of the NFL for more than 2 decades, where they have literally ripped out like 20k+ seats from their current stadium because attendance has consistently gone down, and has a shitty owner like Dan Snyder, is not going to be a good economic policy. That's why none 2 states (MD and VA) nor DC wants to get in bed with Snyder.
 
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KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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TJ Hockensen is a Viking now.

2 picks and 9 million off next years salary cap isn't bad, he never lived up to the 8th pick of the draft. He's a good player, in the upper echelon of TE's but would not be worth the money i think for his next contract.

/that's how most Lions fans see it anyways
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
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If I were selling a $8B business, Bank of America is the last company I would call, lol.

The dumb thing is that the real reason Snyder is selling is because the NFL wants a new stadium and Snyder is obviously not very popular with the pols. The stadium they do have isn't that old. I personally think it's a bad idea but I could see the NFL wanting to fleece taxpayers and get a new staidum built for the new owner where RFK is now.
30 years is pretty old...and by reports...pretty shitty...lacking in character. Poo water or something was leaking out as well. I would not be surprised if the commute to the game itself is a detriment to the team because they do everything in Ashburn which is way out there to the west in NoVA.

Also, PG county and Landover in particular is a crappy place and county itself collects a high property tax rate only to deliver the most austere-looking and neglected county that neighbors D.C, and the "good municipalities" basically double the property tax bill.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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It can definitely be good.

You should see the area where the Washington Nationals ballpark is. Before that, the place was one of the worst places you'd want to step foot in when in DC. It wasn't safe and was in the shittiest parts of DC.

Now though it's a destination. There are bars all around there, higher income living, etc. It completely turned that area around. Not to mention they won a World Series a few years ago so they are super popular.

It should be done with private money and not public funds, especially all these deals where the public payed for it yet they (owners) get to keep the vast majority of profits
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
11,896
2,716
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It can definitely be good.

You should see the area where the Washington Nationals ballpark is. Before that, the place was one of the worst places you'd want to step foot in when in DC. It wasn't safe and was in the shittiest parts of DC.

Now though it's a destination. There are bars all around there, higher income living, etc. It completely turned that area around. Not to mention they won a World Series a few years ago so they are super popular.

But with a team like the Commanders, who have been the dredges of the NFL for more than 2 decades, where they have literally ripped out like 20k+ seats from their current stadium because attendance has consistently gone down, and has a shitty owner like Dan Snyder, is not going to be a good economic policy. That's why none 2 states (MD and VA) nor DC wants to get in bed with Snyder.
VA was going to bed Snyder...but it's not exactly good optics to be courting and rewarding misconduct, and so they bailed out.

NoVA also has little to "revitalize". There really isn't a "dump" throughout the area.
 

Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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It can definitely be good.

You should see the area where the Washington Nationals ballpark is. Before that, the place was one of the worst places you'd want to step foot in when in DC. It wasn't safe and was in the shittiest parts of DC.

Now though it's a destination. There are bars all around there, higher income living, etc. It completely turned that area around. Not to mention they won a World Series a few years ago so they are super popular.

But with a team like the Commanders, who have been the dredges of the NFL for more than 2 decades, where they have literally ripped out like 20k+ seats from their current stadium because attendance has consistently gone down, and has a shitty owner like Dan Snyder, is not going to be a good economic policy. That's why none 2 states (MD and VA) nor DC wants to get in bed with Snyder.


Even a minor-league ballpark can make a huge difference if done right.

The "Hartford Yard-Goats" (lol I didn't name em!) built a medium-size stadium in the former "wasteland" north of I-84 in Hartford a few years back and it transformed the whole area.

In case anyone is wondering... THIS is a "Yard-Goat" :

 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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It should be done with private money and not public funds, especially all these deals where the public payed for it yet they (owners) get to keep the vast majority of profits
The owners of the Nats Stadium don't get any of the money that comes from the bars, restaurants, housing, etc, that has been built up and developed. All of that helps the cities economy when that stuff starts booming.
 
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purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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VA was going to bed Snyder...but it's not exactly good optics to be courting and rewarding misconduct, and so they bailed out.

NoVA also has little to "revitalize". There really isn't a "dump" throughout the area.
Yeah but areas they were talking about moving the stadium too like Woodbridge or Dumphries aren't exactly Vienna, Alexandria, or McLean.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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The owners of the Nats Stadium don't get any of the money that comes from the bars, restaurants, housing, etc, that has been built up and developed. All of that helps the cities economy when that stuff starts booming.

But studies have shown the economic benefit does not outweigh the tax breaks and money the area gives them to build the new stadium, by a lot.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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If I were selling a $8B business, Bank of America is the last company I would call, lol.

The dumb thing is that the real reason Snyder is selling is because the NFL wants a new stadium and Snyder is obviously not very popular with the pols. The stadium they do have isn't that old. I personally think it's a bad idea but I could see the NFL wanting to fleece taxpayers and get a new staidum built for the new owner where RFK is now.

Well big banks tend to treat the ultra wealthy very well, it's just us regular joes that they fuck over. That's the America we cherish.
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
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But studies have shown the economic benefit does not outweigh the tax breaks and money the area gives them to build the new stadium, by a lot.
Studies do not disprove particular situations. DC has garbage, crime ridden areas and Nats Park just happened to be plopped in place that used to have those qualities.

The starting though...was very low to begin. Other places may very well be sub-optimally located or have no substantial effect in the surrounding areas.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Studies do not disprove particular situations. DC has garbage, crime ridden areas and Nats Park just happened to be plopped in place that used to have those qualities.

The starting though...was very low to begin. Other places may very well be sub-optimally located or have no substantial effect in the surrounding areas.

It's a pretty established fact. The economic benefits come but they are overshadowed by the economic costs. Overall it's a net loss.

 
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The owners of the Nats Stadium don't get any of the money that comes from the bars, restaurants, housing, etc, that has been built up and developed. All of that helps the cities economy when that stuff starts booming.

All those things like housing, bars, and restaurants would have been built regardless. Either in that spot around the stadium or elsewhere in the city. All the stadium does is shift entertainment dollars and siphon off a shit ton of public money.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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All those things like housing, bars, and restaurants would have been built regardless. Either in that spot around the stadium or elsewhere in the city. All the stadium does is shift entertainment dollars and siphon off a shit ton of public money.

The cost of public safety per game alone probably equals out the sales tax revenues from the surrounding venues that pop up on those days.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Studies do not disprove particular situations. DC has garbage, crime ridden areas and Nats Park just happened to be plopped in place that used to have those qualities.

The starting though...was very low to begin. Other places may very well be sub-optimally located or have no substantial effect in the surrounding areas.

And yet shootings still happen at Nats stadium. Go figure. By the way, that area isn't exactly jumping when a game isn't in town. It's definitely much more lively than it was before, but like all other comparative developments when it comes to billionaires fleecing regular people by asking them to pay for the billionaire's toys, it's going to end up being a neutral or negative gain for the area. Granted, there's lots of condos built in that area so "permanent" residents were established...but how many of those units are actually occupied, and not corporate-owned Air BnB nonsense?

Usually, these stadiums are built in commercial districts and the glorious bars and restaurants are wholly dependent on the stadium, and not the other way around. They actually don't provide anything tangible to the community, because they can't survive on their own. Such businesses work where people live and work--not when some season-trapped event shows up only a couple of weeks at a time over the course of several months.
 
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Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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Citi Field certainly hasn't done much to improve the surrounding (Queens NY) neighborhood so far at least.

Not really apples to apples though because it's immediately adjacent to where Shea Stadium sat for many years and in the mid-1960's when it was built priorities were different for sports venues.
 
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