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Muse

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Come on, I watched the game. It was never really close, especially after the eagles adjusted their run blocking schemes and just pounded the rock and the clock, but saying the game was over after the opening drive is too discrediting to the niners.
It wasn't over until the second quarter.
My post was about that video, I don't want to know you're take on the game. I'm talking about the 13:50 video, you have to scroll down to see it.

 
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Captante

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Not only did I watch the video I've read a ton of commentary plus I listen to NY sports-talk (WFAN) all the time so I'm fully aware of the "controversy" lol. (even more importantly I was watching when it happened!)

It was obvious that call was blown however that play did not decide the game. If it happened with 2 minutes to go in the 4th or the Niners lost by one TD there might be a point but that's not the case here.

Having said that blown calls and bad officiating completely suck and certainly have the potential to ruin football games or even the enjoyment of entire sport. (see the 2006 Super Bowl, the "Music City" miracle/forward-lateral or the 2019 NFC Championship game)

The NFL "Coaches Challenge" was a HUGE improvement over having no way at all to fix an officials error (remember that?) but I think it's time has passed and the league needs to make some major changes to the instant-replay rule to take the onus off the coach on the sideline.
 
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akugami

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Not only did I watch the video I've read a ton of commentary plus I listen to NY sports-talk (WFAN) all the time so I'm fully aware of the "controversy" lol. (even more importantly I was watching when it happened!)

It was obvious that call was blown however that play did not decide the game. If it happened with 2 minutes to go in the 4th or the Niners lost by one TD there might be a point but that's not the case here.

Having said that blown calls and bad officiating completely suck and certainly have the potential to ruin football games or even the enjoyment of entire sport. (see the 2006 Super Bowl, the "Music City" miracle/forward-lateral or the 2019 NFC Championship game)

The NFL "Coaches Challenge" was a HUGE improvement over having no way at all to fix an officials error (remember that?) but I think it's time has passed and the league needs to make some major changes to the instant-replay rule to take the onus off the coach on the sideline.

Fair or not, I've seen similar things happen in other games, where a coach does not see the play or does not get word of what really happened in a play and is late throwing the challenge flag.

Also, fair or not, it's currently part of home field advantage where the stadium crew operating the video boards do not immediately show replays that may lead to a challenge initiated against the home team. Again, I've seen this in other games as well.

I'm glad my team got on the winning side of that situation, but I definitely see the unfairness to the away team. I'm not against revising the system to allow quicker video replays so a coach can make a faster snap decision to challenge or not.
 
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akugami

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JujuFish

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I named 3 QB's and you said I singled out Rodgers. Explain how out of those three I singled him out. You can't, instead you bring up some stupid BUT THERE'S 100'S OF QB'S IN THE LEAGUE tangent. I didn't create some sub set of all QB's in the history of the game to have thought about retiring and then select only Rodgers. I named 3 and you took it as a slight.
Whatever.
Yawn. Still salty, still wrong. I'm done continuing this waste of conversation.
 

Bitek

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My post was about that video, I don't want to know you're take on the game. I'm talking about the 13:50 video, you have to scroll down to see it.


I've seen his excuse making, and it's stupid.
He hesitated, or wasn't prepared to make a quick decision, and he fked it up.

He can say whatever he wants about his thought process, but ultimately it cost his team points, and he's had a history of this. He had to take some accountability and learn from it
 

BoomerD

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He played 4 snaps all year. He's not relevant to any success the Eagles may or may not have.

Innocent until proven guilty, but as a parent, I'd want to put a world of hurt into anyone who violates my little baby girl. If these allegations are found to be true, get rid of him. Throw away the key.

It's just...odd that it took them 3 years to bring charges.
 

Muse

Lifer
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I've seen his excuse making, and it's stupid.
He hesitated, or wasn't prepared to make a quick decision, and he fked it up.

He can say whatever he wants about his thought process, but ultimately it cost his team points, and he's had a history of this. He had to take some accountability and learn from it
BS. So, you're just a boorish snob.
 

Muse

Lifer
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The NFL "Coaches Challenge" was a HUGE improvement over having no way at all to fix an officials error (remember that?) but I think it's time has passed and the league needs to make some major changes to the instant-replay rule to take the onus off the coach on the sideline.
That's just what that video was about, I think that part of the conversation started around 8:22 in.
 
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Captante

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BS. So, you're just a boorish snob.

Shanahan and the 49ers booth DID screw up .... it may not have been entirely his fault because he didn't get a "timely" view of the replay video but that doesn't change what happened and this needs to be addressed by the league during the off-season.

Having said the above, a head coach is responsible for ALL his team's actions on the field just like the captain of a ship.
 

Captante

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Just like Phil Simms Giants fans didn't fully appreciate the greatness of Eli when we had him as QB.

Every. Single. Game.

I for one still miss him.... you can never truly "replace" a player like that!
 
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Muse

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Shanahan and the 49ers booth DID screw up .... it may not have been entirely his fault because he didn't get a "timely" view of the replay video but that doesn't change what happened and this needs to be addressed by the league during the off-season.

Having said the above, a head coach is responsible for ALL his team's actions on the field just like the captain of a ship.
Well, he's not exactly a loser like Bitek makes out. He guided his team to 12 wins in a row without the use of his first and second string QB.

And your last sentence there is absurd. A head coach is responsible for one person's actions only that being his own.
 
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Captante

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And your last sentence there is absurd. A head coach is responsible for one person's actions only that this his own.



That isn't the way "command" works.

Agreed that Shanahan is a decent if not "great" head coach though.
 
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KMFJD

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They still are.... he would be a mistake too!
Well Carr can be had for nothing(no picks/players) once the Raiders release him, and he's a much better QB than anything they have on their roster right now. He's not as good as Rodgers of 2 years ago but the picks/talent they would have to give up plus the cap hit would make it a terrible decision imo
 

KMFJD

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What "changed the course of the game" was Purdy going down and THEN the 4th string QB doing the same not an undeserved Philly TD right in the beginning of the game.

When Purdy got hurt the Niners chances went into free-fall and when Johnson went down it was time to do something else till Chiefs/Bengals.

Further any NFL football team that gives up after going down by 7 points should be disbanded and replaced with kids from a Pop-Warner league!
Agreed, it wasn't a game changing play at all, the game changing play was the sack/fumble/torn elbow play on Purdy, cause Josh Johnson sure as hell wasn't leading the team to victory
 

MrSquished

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Agreed, it wasn't a game changing play at all, the game changing play was the sack/fumble/torn elbow play on Purdy, cause Josh Johnson sure as hell wasn't leading the team to victory

It wasn't a game changing play but it definitely affected the game, and is absolutely shameful that it happened at all. Also, that play on Purdy likely would have never happened if that fake catch was called correctly and reversed, thus altering the course of the next plays.
 
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Captante

Lifer
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Reality is that as good as Purdy had been playing SF had been super-lucky to get what they got out of him already considering he was a rookie.

Had he not gone down I think we would have seen a much better game with a less lopsided score BUT the same outcome.

I don't think anyone in the NFL is beating the Eagles right now including KC.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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That isn't the way "command" works.

Agreed that Shanahan is a decent if not "great" head coach though.
I'm liking him more and more. At the podium he was asked about shouting around a week ago. His answer was illuminating: "I don't shout."
 

BoomerD

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It wasn't a game changing play but it definitely affected the game, and is absolutely shameful that it happened at all. Also, that play on Purdy likely would have never happened if that fake catch was called correctly and reversed, thus altering the course of the next plays.



So sayeth the magic crystal ball...
 
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Captante

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ONE thing we know with absolute certainty.... if things had been different they would not have been the same.



Tomorrow night we'll been down to a week till the game so it will be officially A-OKAY to talk Eagles/Chiefs .... praise jeebus!

 

manly

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I believe it pre-dates HD broadcasts, and all the various camera angles we have now, but the Music City Miracle was not a forward lateral. You have to follow the path of the ball, and not where the players feet were, between Wycheck and Dyson. At worst, it's inconclusive so the ruling on the field would stand.

Fair or not, I've seen similar things happen in other games, where a coach does not see the play or does not get word of what really happened in a play and is late throwing the challenge flag.

Also, fair or not, it's currently part of home field advantage where the stadium crew operating the video boards do not immediately show replays that may lead to a challenge initiated against the home team. Again, I've seen this in other games as well.

I'm glad my team got on the winning side of that situation, but I definitely see the unfairness to the away team. I'm not against revising the system to allow quicker video replays so a coach can make a faster snap decision to challenge or not.
Yeah unless I missed something, you can't blame Shanahan because he (and we) did not immediately have the inside replay that showed the ball getting loose. And strategically that is very early to be using a coach's challenge unless you're absolutely sure AND the result of the play was particularly meaningful. That play arguably fits the latter criteria (as much as a first drive play could be meaningful outside of serious injury), but clearly not the former.

The idea that the head coach is responsible for everything that happens on the field is rubbish. If you truly believe that, then it logically follows that you give the players hardly any credit for execution. In other words, it wasn't Tom Brady and Co. that won 7 chips, it was Belichick (and Arians) "steering of the ship." It wasn't Jordan, Pippen, and the gang but Phil Jackson's wizardry. Just as we scoff when athletes scream "we are warriors!," let's not equate sports with military command structure. As a simple example, is it really Sean McDermott's fault that LB Ossai committed the fateful late hit on Mahomes?

If you want to argue the head coach should take responsibility when the team fails, or if he's subject to firing as a result of poor outcomes, that is fine and a different point entirely. Because of the economics of pro sports (particularly in the NBA), the head coach is often the fall guy whether he fucked up or not.
 
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