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JujuFish

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On a side note, the Brady line was cursed these playoffs. The Bucs lost to the Cowboys, who lost to the 49ers, who lost to the Eagles, who lost to the Chiefs. Losses all the way up.
 
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Perknose

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And if I were a betting man [...] I'd bet on Fat Andy to out-coach Sirianni.
Yes sir, that Perknose sure knows what he's talking about, you betcha!

Might be behind a paywall, but this 'The Athletic' article explains in detail how Fat Andy's schemes won the game. I'll include some brief excerpts for those who can't access the article, but it's well worth seeking out, imho.

"After winning his second Super Bowl on Sunday, Reid is now 29-4 after a bye in the regular season and playoffs.

Against an Eagles defense that finished the season ranked sixth in DVOA, the Chiefs scored on all four of their second-half possessions, coming back from a 10-point halftime deficit. The game plan was built on using motion to create mismatches and advantages in the passing game, and it worked to perfection. Defenses have rules they follow to react to motion, and the Chiefs exploited the Eagles’ rules over and over again."

[...]

"Reid and his staff didn’t reinvent the wheel in this Super Bowl; several of his plays were taken from other teams. Even “corndog” has been used by several college football teams and was used by Pederson in Week 4. But how the Chiefs anticipated the Eagles’ reaction to motion and pieced together these packages was impressive. Calling plays is an art, and Reid saved his best calls for when the Chiefs needed them most.

The moral of the story: If you’re facing the Chiefs after a bye week, be sure to erase all your tendencies, or risk having them exposed."
 

Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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The above is all true.... BUT .... take Pat Mahomes out of the picture and let me know how things work out for KC in that game. (even if he had been seriously "gimpy" from the ankle the Eagles romp IMO... the Chiefs D played well but it wouldn't have been nearly enough)

I like Andy Reid a lot as a head coach but he only shares in the credit.
 

RPD

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The above is all true.... BUT .... take Pat Mahomes out of the picture and let me know how things work out for KC in that game. (even if he had been seriously "gimpy" from the ankle the Eagles romp IMO... the Chiefs D played well but it wouldn't have been nearly enough)

I like Andy Reid a lot as a head coach but he only shares in the credit.
What the shit is this?
Just take NFL MVP QB out of the game and see how they do!!
Yea, do the same for the Eagles, no Hurts and what? Yea they'll suck. What happened to the 9ers with Brock is by farrrrrrr the exception to the rule.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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What the shit is this?
Just take NFL MVP QB out of the game and see how they do!!
Yea, do the same for the Eagles, no Hurts and what? Yea they'll suck. What happened to the 9ers with Brock is by farrrrrrr the exception to the rule.
Brock was much better prepared than people expected. Yeah, Mr. Irrelevant, but GOAT Tom Brady was IIRC a 6th round draftee. Plus, Brock was surrounded by highly talented members of a great organization.
 
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Scarpozzi

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What the shit is this?
Just take NFL MVP QB out of the game and see how they do!!
Yea, do the same for the Eagles, no Hurts and what? Yea they'll suck. What happened to the 9ers with Brock is by farrrrrrr the exception to the rule.
QB's have to make split second decisions AND have skill to get the ball from behind the line of scrimmage. If they've practiced timing routes and can unload the ball quickly without visual queues, they'll keep the passrush down. Most rookie QBs or backups get stunts and blitz packages because the DCs know they have a 1-2second slower release...guaranteed. Doesn't take many snaps to determine how a game will go in those situations.

Same for a great QB behind a backup Center or Guard....better watch out!

Brady's bread and butter was always slants to the slot receiver and check downs to receiving RBs. He likes the short, high percentage throws to speedy guys that can get 8 YAC. It's no magic....just plays against all the guys pass rushing and the other half of the team going deep.
 

TheVrolok

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Dec 11, 2000
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Serious question, are there that many people saying it wasn't a hold? I haven't seen that here, or with any significance in r/eagles. Whether calling it was consistent with the way the game had been called to that point is the issue that I think is reasonable to discuss. Hell, when Cowboys fans are complaining about the call that ices the Eagles seasons it may merit some discussion.
 

purbeast0

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Sep 13, 2001
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Bieniemy is unofficially officially the new OC/AC for the Commanders.

I'm not even excited. I'm not saying it's not a good move but I've been burned so many times with "winning off the field" with this team and seen it flop so hard that I am just going to wait for results this time.
 

JEDI

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Sep 25, 2001
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Bieniemy is unofficially officially the new OC/AC for the Commanders.

I'm not even excited. I'm not saying it's not a good move but I've been burned so many times with "winning off the field" with this team and seen it flop so hard that I am just going to wait for results this time.
the sooner the team is sold, the better.
cant believe the team could be worth $7B with their dismal playoff record in Synder's 20+ yrs as owner
 

RPD

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Bieniemy is unofficially officially the new OC/AC for the Commanders.

I'm not even excited. I'm not saying it's not a good move but I've been burned so many times with "winning off the field" with this team and seen it flop so hard that I am just going to wait for results this time.
Well EB will be motivated to show he doesn't need an MVP to win, so you'll have that going for you.
 

Captante

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Oct 20, 2003
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are there that many people saying it wasn't a hold?


Who cares?

Seriously James freaking Bradberry said it WAS A HOLD.
(for the unaware he was the Eagles player being held)

Considering the above, I do feel your pain Eagles fans but kindly STFU.
 

Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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The Eagles player (Bradberry) stated that "I committed a hold and the foul was the right call by the officials" .... If HE can admit it was a good call anyone can.
(even sour-grapes Philly fans!)

Considering I'm a lifelong Giants fan that's about the most positive "spin" you can expect to see. (would it have been more polite to say "pipe down" instead of STFU maybe?)




Be happy you're not getting one of these! (nothing personal!)





*(if it makes you feel any better I picked the Eagles to win myself!)
 
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purbeast0

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As much as I dislike the Eagles and their fans, both of them have been handling the loss extremely well and with class for the most part, especially the players.
 
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Captante

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It's weird how little "credit" NFL teams that lose the super bowl often seem to get with fans compared to other sports.

In MLB even a team that gets swept (badly) in the WS still gets mad respect just for getting there.... not so much for the SB loser.
 

TheVrolok

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The Eagles player (Bradberry) stated that "I committed a hold and the foul was the right call by the officials" .... If HE can admit it was a good call anyone can.
(even sour-grapes Philly fans!)

Considering I'm a lifelong Giants fan that's about the most positive "spin" you can expect to see. (would it have been more polite to say "pipe down" instead of STFU maybe?)




Be happy you're not getting one of these! (nothing personal!)





*(if it makes you feel any better I picked the Eagles to win myself!)
I think you missed the point of my post. Of course it was a hold, the Eagles fans (myself included) in this thread (and most everywhere I talk Eagles) are completely accepting of that. My point was that it was a pretty inconsistent call with the way the rest of the game was called which made it really really out of place at a pivotal moment. Do the Eagles win without the call? Maybe, maybe not, but the loss is certainly not on that call alone by any means.

What I was getting at is its just another example of some really inconsistent ref work at big moments in games, or in general.

Even one game back in the AFCCG https://bleacherreport.com/articles...itter-during-bengals-vs-chiefs-afc-title-game

Just commenting on the state of referees in the game, not really about the super bowl itself.
 
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Serious question, are there that many people saying it wasn't a hold? I haven't seen that here, or with any significance in r/eagles. Whether calling it was consistent with the way the game had been called to that point is the issue that I think is reasonable to discuss. Hell, when Cowboys fans are complaining about the call that ices the Eagles seasons it may merit some discussion.

Well if you're saying it shouldn't have been called you'd either have to be saying it wasn't a hold or essentially saying the they were getting away with holding the whole game, either way, arguing against it being called there shows their argument is fundamentally broken. Can't have it both ways. The dumbest part is if they hadn't called it the same non-Eagles fans would probably be bitching about it not having been called, showing they just want to piss and moan. Just like I told the stupid assholes complaining about the replacement refs that they'd always bitched about the refs, and they'd be bitching about the refs the same even when the "good" ones were brought back (and guess what, that's exactly what happened).

I'm not sure why you posit that like its evidence that it was the wrong call. We know Cowboys fans are idiots, seeing as how they're Cowboys fans, so their take on things doesn't matter. If they want to stop whining about pentalties maybe their team should play better if they want to actually win playoff games?

Honestly, the discussion we should be having is, are Cowboys fans worse than Eagles fans? I think that's true these days. Eagles fans are a faaar cry from even a decade ago. I have one co-worker who is an Eagles fan that tried arguing Wentz was a better QB than Mahomes (this was like maybe a year ago too, to give you an idea of how clueless he is), but outside of that, Eagles fans that I've met in real life have actually been pretty rational people that aren't assholes as depicted. Cowboys fans are worse than ever. I honestly can't think of a worse fanbase in the NFL now. Pats fans were insufferable while they were winning, but once they stopped winning, Pats fans have STFU (or rather fallen back to the baseline dumbfuck NFL fans as seen in this thread). I used to feel bad for Cowboys fans after stuff like the fumbled hold by Romo, but now I feel bad for Romo for having been stuck on that team.

Bieniemy is unofficially officially the new OC/AC for the Commanders.

I'm not even excited. I'm not saying it's not a good move but I've been burned so many times with "winning off the field" with this team and seen it flop so hard that I am just going to wait for results this time.

Well yeah, its the Commanders, there's zero reason to be excited about them. Even if it was a no brainer move, they'll almost certainly fuck it up because they're the Commanders.

Plus, its an odd move on its own and strongly hints at, well it being a typical Commanders move. Basically they're likely paying Bienemy head coach pay to be an OC, or have pretty much promised that he'll be the head coach, which considering they already have a head coach is probably not a good sign for the team. I don't doubt that they'll spin it as Rivera is totally on board and has no problem whatsoever and blah blah blah (and I could maybe even believe it, I'm sure Rivera would love not having to answer for the offense), but this is so typical of a Commanders move. I also really wonder what Bienemy could be thinking, as he has to know he's walking into a dysfunctional situation, whereas he had potential to take over for Andy if/when he retires.

This looks like how Herm Edwards tried running ASU by the way. And while you can go, "yeah but Herm Edwards" and the response would just be, "yeah but the Commanders/Snyder" because honestly I think Herm might be the smarter football mind there.

Not a good look all around. I don't think it was a smart move by Bienemy (just because going to any team run like that team is just going to cause you problems), it looks like the Commanders are still flinging shit ideas at the wall hoping something will stick at some point, and it shows the NFL clearly still has a racism problem.

Well EB will be motivated to show he doesn't need an MVP to win, so you'll have that going for you.

In general, I'd say any coach would need an MVP to prove they can win, as if you want to win anything meaningful then you're gonna have to do well enough that someone on your team is considered for MVP. Plus, considering how we saw Belicheck be shown that having an all time great QB is kinda important with regards to winning in the playoffs and competing for a Super Bowl, you have to be...not brilliant to walk away from an MVP (let alone what looks like a top 5 all time great QB), but some people think they have to prove themselves in weird ways.

Credit to him for I guess making a move to try and establish his own legacy. I personally am guessing he's just trading one legacy for another, letting another situation set his legacy and its very probably not going to go well for him and it'll let all those teams that passed on giving him a head coach position the argument to go "see he wasn't fit to be a head coach, it was Andy and Mahomes.....also, we're totally super not racist!"
 

TheVrolok

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Well if you're saying it shouldn't have been called you'd either have to be saying it wasn't a hold or essentially saying the they were getting away with holding the whole game, either way, arguing against it being called there shows their argument is fundamentally broken. Can't have it both ways. The dumbest part is if they hadn't called it the same non-Eagles fans would probably be bitching about it not having been called, showing they just want to piss and moan. Just like I told the stupid assholes complaining about the replacement refs that they'd always bitched about the refs, and they'd be bitching about the refs the same even when the "good" ones were brought back (and guess what, that's exactly what happened).

A lot of people just don't see it that way (the latter way). Most fans know that there are likely penalties to call on nearly every play depending on how "tightly" a game gets called so there's some room for ref discretion. That's fine by me, as long as the discretion is consistent throughout the game. Either call it all day or don't, is the traditional saying. Players will adapt their playstyle during a game to how tightly refs are calling the game, so to then call plays out of that mold can dramatically change the dynamic of the game (as in the super bowl, the AFCCG, and of course others). The critiques of the refs recently has been more that this "variance" is on the rise, which is a problem as it leads to the refs having a higher impact on the outcome of the game itself.

So I think the NFL has to decide how it's going to call games, and then make every attempt to keep that consistent. I don't particularly care about THIS specific call except that it's becoming emblematic of an increasing number of game changing calls that seem out of context with the rest of the game. I'm not remotely part of the "NFL is rigged" crowd, I think refs are just human, and probably in a big game like this were just watching more closely during a big play - but refs really shouldn't be calling the big play any differently than the little play, or the big game any differently than the little game, if that makes sense.
I'm not sure why you posit that like its evidence that it was the wrong call. We know Cowboys fans are idiots, seeing as how they're Cowboys fans, so their take on things doesn't matter. If they want to stop whining about pentalties maybe their team should play better if they want to actually win playoff games?

Honestly, the discussion we should be having is, are Cowboys fans worse than Eagles fans? I think that's true these days. Eagles fans are a faaar cry from even a decade ago. I have one co-worker who is an Eagles fan that tried arguing Wentz was a better QB than Mahomes (this was like maybe a year ago too, to give you an idea of how clueless he is), but outside of that, Eagles fans that I've met in real life have actually been pretty rational people that aren't assholes as depicted. Cowboys fans are worse than ever. I honestly can't think of a worse fanbase in the NFL now. Pats fans were insufferable while they were winning, but once they stopped winning, Pats fans have STFU (or rather fallen back to the baseline dumbfuck NFL fans as seen in this thread). I used to feel bad for Cowboys fans after stuff like the fumbled hold by Romo, but now I feel bad for Romo for having been stuck on that team.

I honestly don't care about any fan base, I have no desire to compare who's fan base is worse, I just want to watch the game. Every team has idiot fans, homers, superfans, etc. I'm in it just for the Sunday these days.
 

manly

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Serious question, are there that many people saying it wasn't a hold? I haven't seen that here, or with any significance in r/eagles. Whether calling it was consistent with the way the game had been called to that point is the issue that I think is reasonable to discuss. Hell, when Cowboys fans are complaining about the call that ices the Eagles seasons it may merit some discussion.
The thing is, a lot of people (notice I never said Eagles fans) were outraged at the timing of the call. Rather than the subjectiveness, or the consistency w.r.t. to the rest of the game. Many fans who were upset at the call are largely arguing for NBA-style "swallowing the whistle."

In real-time, we actually didn't have the clear camera angle from NFL Films, of a few days ago. I'd venture to say a lot of people didn't see the initial jersey grab. As such, I'd like to know if there was another instance during the game where a DB got away with two holds on one release. Notice on the second hold, Bradberry's left hand is on the waist and right hand is on the shoulder. I'll admit I was rooting for the Chiefs but with the full video evidence, I can't agree with folks who claim this was a "light" or weak call. Although you make a valid point about consistent reffing, I'm not aware there was a largely similar play earlier in the game. And even if there was, I'm not sure I would agree with bad reffing as long as it's consistently bad throughout a game.

Like I said previously, Bradberry held JJS three times on two different plays, and got called for one penalty. I will concede the timing did suck, as it made the game's conclusion rather anti-climactic. I'm not actually a Chiefs fan, and wouldn't have minded Jalen Hurts having 100 seconds to engineer a tying or winning drive.

As for Eric Bieniemy, doesn't it seem weird that Andy Reid openly hoped EB would get a top job; rather than extending him in KC? I have no idea what happened behind the scenes, but doesn't installing Matt Nagy as the heir apparent tell us that EB was never offered the same? I can't imagine EB is so obtuse that he chose Washington without having some idea of what situation he's walking into, just so that he can finally call plays.
 

MrSquished

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If that is the case he won't get that from the Giants they'll franchise him for one year.

I mean I get his point you got QB's like Kyler Murray making that kind of money, except that just means Kyler Murray is overpaid. These QB contracts have gotten out of control
 
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