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nutxo

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The patriots look like they are asleep. I watched them leave the locker room and told my son it looks like they already lost.
 
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pete6032

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Zach Wilson throws for 300 and 2 TDs and CJ Stroud throws for less than 100. Who had that on their bingo card?
 
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JujuFish

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Buffalo playoff hopes remain alive, including a chance at the division (Miami ends their season against Dallas, Baltimore, Buffalo). I'll take it.
 

manly

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Yeah the Eagles just look....really gooooood right now. They are the only team with "it" this season.
Niners back in their stride again, maybe. Brock has to have a good game though, he's had some sus run this year, for the first time, but sorta seemed to adjust the last, I dunno, 4 drives I saw of him? Still making his receivers stretch a bit, but at least he's getting them on their routs, everyone pretty much knows where they are supposed to be, and they get there. so, that's pretty good, actually, to be able to do that so consistently. That's what's been great about that Niners offense ever sense McCaffrey showed up. Everyone just does their job

Obviously, Niners need it way more right now, as it swings a great many things for them in the NFC, and the Eagles could easily survive this L, but they don't seem to be a team that ever decides to lose, at any point.

Should live up to the early season hype, I think, back when they advertised this as the unbeatens, like, 5 weeks later, haha. Anyway, I think it might even be bigger than that. It's so huge for the Niners.
This post hasn't aged well.

The NFL is seemingly reaching peak parity this season. The AFC is a crowded mess (who woulda thunk Broncos would still be in the playoffs chase, let alone the division race?); and while the Niners are the favorites, you have at least 4 or 5 teams who believe they can win the championship.

I had the Cowboys covering 3 1/2 tonight, but I didn't see them demolishing the Eagles. And my Packers have a roughly coin flip's chance of making the playoffs? That's wild and I'm not even sure I want them to get destroyed in the wild card round vs. having a better draft pick. I also don't know if I want Jordan Love to keep playing well and then getting a Daniel Jones-esque contract extension.

I love Mahomes but his post-game meltdown was classic. While he might be right that the refs usually warn the receivers during a game, he can't really fault them for calling a blatant offsides. Toney was looking down the line of scrimmage pre-snap! And I don't blame Mahomes for the pent-up frustration with the offense this season, and how MVS dropped the game winner last week.
 
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Mahomes and Reid are fucking embarrassing throwing tantrums over this. I think Reid is using the exact same argument he used when Dee Ford did the same thing in the 2019 AFC Championship game. The dumbest part about Reid's argument is he's basically admitting he gets preferential treatment and then is mad that he doesn't always get it.

Same with him whining about the right tackle earlier in the season getting flagged because dude was constantly offsides. Run a disciplined team and this wouldn't be an issue. That and if you'd figure out how to run an offense that isn't mediocre you wouldn't even need to whine about the refs costing you the game.
 
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KMFJD

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Mahomes whining about the refs ruining Kelce's legacy, lmfao he should be bitching at Toney, dude was so offside the ref couldn't see the ball, flag had been thrown before Mahomes had finished his dropback


Bears kicked the Lions ass, Bears D did a great job shutting down Detroit
 

Torn Mind

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Nov 25, 2012
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Mahomes and Reid are fucking embarrassing throwing tantrums over this. I think Reid is using the exact same argument he used when Dee Ford did the same thing in the 2019 AFC Championship game. The dumbest part about Reid's argument is he's basically admitting he gets preferential treatment and then is mad that he doesn't always get it.

Same with him whining about the right tackle earlier in the season getting flagged because dude was constantly offsides. Run a disciplined team and this wouldn't be an issue. That and if you'd figure out how to run an offense that isn't mediocre you wouldn't even need to whine about the refs costing you the game.
It's more valuable to not throw players under the bus than to do so. Thus, based on "cultural protocol", the press gets the story "they blamed an outsider to the org". Coach "cred" is lost if you throw players under the bus.

I wasn't pay attention then, so I don't know if they will eat a fine.
 

MrSquished

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Jan 14, 2013
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The announcers did say that that type of call has been given only a technical warning for over the last decade, but this year they started just calling penalties right off the bat. So yes, this is an unusual call based on over a decade of precedent, but they did change the rules this year, and he was clearly way offsides.

What a beautiful throw by Kelce, ruined by yet another stupid Toney move. Not the first time this season he's cost them the game.
 

purbeast0

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Sep 13, 2001
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It also doesn't matter if the side judge gives you the okay. Last year Terry Mclaurin got the OK from the side judge and still got called for illegal formation, taking away a TD that put the Commanders down by 2 with a minute left.
 

RPD

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It also doesn't matter if the side judge gives you the okay. Last year Terry Mclaurin got the OK from the side judge and still got called for illegal formation, taking away a TD that put the Commanders down by 2 with a minute left.
I'm not even a WC fan, but that play pissed me off as a fan. He checks in, gets thumbs up, flag thrown. Like seriously get fucked refs.
 

purbeast0

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I'm not even a WC fan, but that play pissed me off as a fan. He checks in, gets thumbs up, flag thrown. Like seriously get fucked refs.
Yeah. You could see the ref even have his hand on his flag prior to the snap, like he was waiting to be like GOTCHA!
 

Torn Mind

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Nov 25, 2012
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Penalties are basically the same as traffic violations.

If you do all the things to violate the rules, you are in violation. Then, it becomes a matter of discretion of the enforcer to call or not call. If there is a call, and the evidence shows violation, they will not give up the power the enforce on grounds as pre-snap checks, prior tendencies, etc. Ultimately, such things are not in the paper rules and thus irrelevant. As such, the official can indeed influence the outcome of games if there is off-the-record agreement to get a particular team a certain result(not necesarily a win or loss, it could be covering a spread or something like internal grudges).

A legal punishment basically can consider context, but does not need to and can completely ignore it for a "final judgment".

The McLaurin could be considered unethical but since Mclaurin was in violation...stopping enforcement of the rule is basically impossible to argue against; it's also par the course when dealing with adverserial lawyers in "off-the-record" scenarios.
 

purbeast0

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The McLaurin could be considered unethical but since Mclaurin was in violation...stopping enforcement of the rule is basically impossible to argue against; it's also par the course when dealing with adverserial lawyers in "off-the-record" scenarios.
It's more like your speedometer doesn't work and you ask a cop "hey am I speeding?" and he says "nope you are good to go" and then he pulls you over 5 seconds later for speeding.
 

RPD

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Penalties are basically the same as traffic violations.

If you do all the things to violate the rules, you are in violation. Then, it becomes a matter of discretion of the enforcer to call or not call. If there is a call, and the evidence shows violation, they will not give up the power the enforce on grounds as pre-snap checks, prior tendencies, etc. Ultimately, such things are not in the paper rules and thus irrelevant. As such, the official can indeed influence the outcome of games if there is off-the-record agreement to get a particular team a certain result(not necesarily a win or loss, it could be covering a spread or something like internal grudges).

A legal punishment basically can consider context, but does not need to and can completely ignore it for a "final judgment".

The McLaurin could be considered unethical but since Mclaurin was in violation...stopping enforcement of the rule is basically impossible to argue against; it's also par the course when dealing with adverserial lawyers in "off-the-record" scenarios.
Yea except WR's check in with refs literally every play to check alignment, that's you know a PRIME window to maybe NOT give approval?
 

thestrangebrew1

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The receivers check with the line judge to make sure they're not in the neutral zone and offsides. Not whether they're in a legal formation. Something Toney didn't do for who knows why. With McLaurin, he confirmed he wasn't offsides or lined up in the neutral zone, but someone, whoever designed the play is responsible for the formation. If it were Jefferson or AJ Brown or Lamb, they probably would've gotten a break, or some indication from the LJ, but McLaurin doesn't have the rep.
 

purbeast0

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The receivers check with the line judge to make sure they're not in the neutral zone and offsides. Not whether they're in a legal formation. Something Toney didn't do for who knows why. With McLaurin, he confirmed he wasn't offsides or lined up in the neutral zone, but someone, whoever designed the play is responsible for the formation. If it were Jefferson or AJ Brown or Lamb, they probably would've gotten a break, or some indication from the LJ, but McLaurin doesn't have the rep.
They also check to see if they are on or off the line. There is a post game interview with McLaurin talking about it.
 
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