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MrSquished

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The Giants defense could have a good game tonight but I hope Tommy Cutlet's mom did his laundry, so he has clean underwear on cuz there's a good chance he shits himself.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Was the guy offsides? Clearly. But let's be real, that penalty has been basically a non-call and just a warning for ages now. And to have that basically inconsequential technical flag basically change the outcome of a playoff-sensitive game is kinda shitty when these guys are laying it out on the field for 60 minutes. I mean Toney is an undisciplined player as we have seen time and time again, but really, ultimately it does feel ticky tacky when it had such big repercussions.
 

spacejamz

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Mar 31, 2003
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Was the guy offsides? Clearly. But let's be real, that penalty has been basically a non-call and just a warning for ages now. And to have that basically inconsequential technical flag basically change the outcome of a playoff-sensitive game is kinda shitty when these guys are laying it out on the field for 60 minutes. I mean Toney is an undisciplined player as we have seen time and time again, but really, ultimately it does feel ticky tacky when it had such big repercussions.

they said during the game that in prior years it wasn't really called but it has been called 11 times this year so far so it shouldn't be a surprise by now..
 
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Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
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Giants are scum win or lose.

I know what destiny has in for their final draft position...their next defensive superstar. F Gmen.
 

manly

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Packers were embarrassing and I'm sorta glad they didn't win when performing so poorly in all phases.

He wasn't "great" but kudos to DeVito for avoiding mistakes and a clutch game-winning drive.
 
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It's more valuable to not throw players under the bus than to do so. Thus, based on "cultural protocol", the press gets the story "they blamed an outsider to the org". Coach "cred" is lost if you throw players under the bus.

I wasn't pay attention then, so I don't know if they will eat a fine.

Reid has no problem throwing players under the bus. The refs aren't to blame for the Chiefs offense, Reid is. The refs aren't to blame for flagging the team due to undisciplined play, Reid is.

Reid will almost certainly get fined. No idea on Mahomes since I doubt he said anything too awful to the refs (apparently he was cussing up quite a storm so maybe he will get fined). The question is will Clark Hunt hold him or Mahomes accountable for this behavior. Its fucking embarassing.

Seems Mahomes recognizes how bad he looked. And I'm sure its just been frustration of this year boiling over, but then he needs to go to Reid and go "let's figure out how we get this offense going" and if that means him pushing back on some of Reid's playcalling then so be it, or if Reid's been giving him a lot of say, maybe step back and go "you should be calling the plays". Then go to the team, and ask them to let him have it, tell him about his mistakes (he's had some bad INT's this year), showing he's willing to hold himself responsible, and then tell them the need to hold themselves accountable. Then get to work. Even if the refs fuck them over, shrug it off and go "we should've never put ourselves into a position where a bad call could cost us the game". Not unlike how the Eagles handled the Super Bowl.

The announcers did say that that type of call has been given only a technical warning for over the last decade, but this year they started just calling penalties right off the bat. So yes, this is an unusual call based on over a decade of precedent, but they did change the rules this year, and he was clearly way offsides.

What a beautiful throw by Kelce, ruined by yet another stupid Toney move. Not the first time this season he's cost them the game.

That's the thing, they didn't call it right off the bat, or at least didn't blow the play dead. Don't they normally blow plays dead if an offensive player is offsides? Why did they let it play as long as they did? That's the only complaint I see about it, but that wouldn't negate the penalty.

I think it was another receiver that dropped a game winning pass? Unless you're talking about something else?
 
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purbeast0

No Lifer
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That's the thing, they didn't call it right off the bat, or at least didn't blow the play dead. Don't they normally blow plays dead if an offensive player is offsides? Why did they let it play as long as they did? That's the only complaint I see about it, but that wouldn't negate the penalty.
No they don't blow the play dead because of offsides. Just like they don't blow it dead for illegal formation. The defense can still make a positive play even though those are called, because as everyone is saying, they may not even have any effect on the play.

I'm glad both 4-8 teams won last night because that could potentially help the Commanders draft position.
 

JujuFish

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Feb 3, 2005
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That's the thing, they didn't call it right off the bat, or at least didn't blow the play dead. Don't they normally blow plays dead if an offensive player is offsides?

Offside is not a penalty until the ball is put into play, so it doesn't count as a pre-snap penalty (and thus not blown dead).
 

thestrangebrew1

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Please Josh Harris DO NOT bring Belichick as Ron Rivera's replacement.
On NFL Sirius channel they mentioned the Commanders or Bears as interesting potential landing spots for him. There were others but I can't remember. They were saying it'd be a mistake because most of the successful coaches are offensive minded and are producing. The exception would be Ryans in Houston who's doing a good job so far as a defensive minded HC. Personally he should just retire. Isn't he like mid-70s now?
 

manly

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Belichick is 71 and he's 16 behind Don Shula's all time wins record. He doesn't need to be offensive-minded to win games; he just needs a good enough roster and to hire a play caller (not Matt Patricia ).

Assuming the Bills aren't an option, the Chargers would make sense from a talent perspective.
 

Torn Mind

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Nov 25, 2012
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On NFL Sirius channel they mentioned the Commanders or Bears as interesting potential landing spots for him. There were others but I can't remember. They were saying it'd be a mistake because most of the successful coaches are offensive minded and are producing. The exception would be Ryans in Houston who's doing a good job so far as a defensive minded HC. Personally he should just retire. Isn't he like mid-70s now?
Nobody likes Belichick's toxicity. The only place that'll take him is the NYG. They're the mad scientists who unleashed his demonic tree into the league.

The fuck we need Belichick when Bieniemy is a hard-ass but gets the respect of players....and can actually draw up good schemes.
 
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Muse

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Nobody likes Belichick's toxicity. The only place that'll take him is the NYG. They're the mad scientists who unleashed his demonic tree into the league.

The fuck we need Belichick when Bieniemy is a hard-ass but gets the respect of players....and can actually draw up good schemes.
The hoody wouldn't be a good look in San Diego.
 

manly

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The hoody wouldn't be a good look in San Diego.
IIRC current Chargers head coach Brandon Staley is always wearing a hoodie, as do many younger NFL coaches.

CBS Sports speculates both Washington and Tampa Bay as potential landing spots for Beli.
 

Muse

Lifer
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IIRC current Chargers head coach Brandon Staley is always wearing a hoodie, as do many younger NFL coaches.

CBS Sports speculates both Washington and Tampa Bay as potential landing spots for Beli.
he might wind up in Mordor.
 

purbeast0

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Sep 13, 2001
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The fuck we need Belichick when Bieniemy is a hard-ass but gets the respect of players....and can actually draw up good schemes.
I'd like to se these good schemes you are referring to.

So far, I am far from impressed with Bieniemy. Their offense basically looks the same as it has the entire River tenure. They still aren't scoring worth a damn.

I'd be fine if he was gone as well when Harris cleans house after the season. I'd also be fine if they kept him. In my eyes, ain't nobody a "must keep" and everyone should be on the chopping block, coaches and players included.
 
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Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
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I'd like to se these good schemes you are referring to.

So far, I am far from impressed with Bieniemy. Their offense basically looks the same as it has the entire River tenure. They still aren't scoring worth a damn.

I'd be fine if he was gone as well when Harris cleans house after the season. I'd also be fine if they kept him. In my eyes, ain't nobody a "must keep" and everyone should be on the chopping block, coaches and players included.
A scheme is good if someone is made open regardless of whether the distributor can actually get it to his guy. Howell misses plays Mahomes doesn't but that doesn't mean guys are not getting open.

Screen passes are also an improvement from Scott Turner. With Turner, it's a guarantee that the screen surprises no one, indicating a tendency signaling a screen is coming. Bieniemy at surprises some teams with screens.
 

purbeast0

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A scheme is good if someone is made open regardless of whether the distributor can actually get it to his guy. Howell misses plays Mahomes doesn't but that doesn't mean guys are not getting open.

Screen passes are also an improvement from Scott Turner. With Turner, it's a guarantee that the screen surprises no one, indicating a tendency signaling a screen is coming. Bieniemy at surprises some teams with screens.
I have no clue what you are referring to about players being open regardless of them being hit. Their receivers are generally blanketed constantly. If your 3rd read is open when he's making his first and second reads, or someone is wide open on the other side of the field than where the play is designed to go to, that is on the scheme not Howell. He's not supposed to look at the 3rd read before the 1st and 2nd.

No matter what excuse you are trying to make, the results are the same. They aren't scoring points and are losing games. Of course roster has something to do with that as well, but so far, he is just not impressive at all. It took him like 7 games to "adjust" and stop dropping Howell back in shotgun ever play where he'd have players in his face every play before he took a step forward. He has absolutely no balance with pass/run. He is far from the godsend we were all hoping he would be, with this roster at least.
 
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