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RPD

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This was the year for Dallas to make noise, they are only going to get worse the next several years due to how many players they have to pay. Happy days.
 
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Torn Mind

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I'm changing my pick to the Steelers.

Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer gonna steamroll the Bills.

34-24

Steel over Bovines.
 
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JujuFish

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Stat of the last 15 years, which is how long AT&T Stadium has been around.

Cowboys playoff wins: 2
Packers playoff wins: 3

The third Packers win at AT&T Stadium was the one from today. It's embarrassing that an opposing team has more playoff wins in your building than you do.

Now to pray for the Eagles tomorrow. Team has been horrible the last two months.
Cowboys have 3 wins at AT&T Stadium
34-14 over the Eagles on Jan 9, 2010 (it was still called Cowboys Stadium here, so perhaps that's where the discrepancy lies)
24-20 over the Lions on Jan 4, 2015
24-22 over the Seahawks on Jan 5, 2019
 

manly

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This was the year for Dallas to make noise, they are only going to get worse the next several years due to how many players they have to pay. Happy days.
Unless something wild happens, they'll give Dak the richest contract extension to date (perhaps 2nd to Mahomes new deal in AAV, not sure). Damned if you do, damned if you don't?
 

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RPD

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Unless something wild happens, they'll give Dak the richest contract extension to date (perhaps 2nd to Mahomes new deal in AAV, not sure). Damned if you do, damned if you don't?
Yep, which is why I'm happy. Short of them having a miracle draft they can't really get better talent wise.
 

manly

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There is a window for them to get rid of Dak with no cap penalty.
Well that's what I implied by wild, but there's almost no scenario where this happens. The Cowboys have enough talent to compete, and dumping their QB1 would be incredibly foolish. I wouldn't say impossible, but I wouldn't call it a "real chance" either.

I can think of only two recent examples, the Redskins letting Kirk Cousins walk because they didn't think he was worth a big contract. And the Texans trading away Deshaun Watson, but that was an entirely different situation and the Texans exploited the Browns desperation. The Texans had embraced a full rebuild and in that scenario didn't need a top QB as much as a playoff contender does.

Fans love dunking on Dak continuing his playoffs misery, but I can almost guarantee trading him would be very unpopular in that locker room. For all his warts, Jerry Jones seems to be highly loyal to his coaches and favorite players.
 

olds

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Well that's what I implied by wild, but there's almost no scenario where this happens. The Cowboys have enough talent to compete, and dumping their QB1 would be incredibly foolish. I wouldn't say impossible, but I wouldn't call it a "real chance" either.

I can think of only two recent examples, the Redskins letting Kirk Cousins walk because they didn't think he was worth a big contract. And the Texans trading away Deshaun Watson, but that was an entirely different situation and the Texans exploited the Browns desperation. The Texans had embraced a full rebuild and in that scenario didn't need a top QB as much as a playoff contender does.

Fans love dunking on Dak continuing his playoffs misery, but I can almost guarantee trading him would be very unpopular in that locker room. For all his warts, Jerry Jones seems to be highly loyal to his coaches and favorite players.
True. That's why we wasted so much money on Elliot when he held out.
 

manly

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I was thinking by the second quarter "Umm, let's see, 1992-uh, today, uninterrupted....and this is the cycle of QBs that Green Bay has fielded in that time span?"

I mean, it's fricking nuts. Is any organization anywhere that close to going ffrom HoF-HoF-and you know, same sort of caliber-potential in a 2nd year starter?

Who's even 10 seasons of that close to GB?

Tbf, GB has also consistently groomed their top pick future QBs, that they really commit to before starting, to just learn from their current HoF'r. I think that's a huge part of how they've managed to keep this stable running.
It's just luck. And let's not get too carried away with Jordan Love, who's a first year starter. As a Packers fan, I'd love for him to become an elite QB but everyone will slow their roll if the Niners pummel the overmatched Packers next Saturday.

The Niners did well with their Montana -> Young -> Jeff Garcia transition. I kid on that last part.

Speaking of the Niners, the Packers QB development strategy isn't unlike Steve Young holding a clipboard for so many years. But in today's salary cap era, it doesn't really work. Teams draft top QB prospects very high, and need them to perform sooner rather than later. Although that no doubt ruins some careers, there are too many reasons you can't wait several years to find out if your young QB can play. The exception is a guy like Jordan Love, drafted late in the first round to back up an elite QB, so he does have time to grow and learn. But to be honest, the Packers were also lucky in 2023 that Kaaron forced his way to the Jets.

Finally considering that welfare queen Favre and Kaaron have 7 MVP awards combined and played on some great teams, 2 Super Bowl wins is a bit modest relative to expectations.
 

Torn Mind

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Well that's what I implied by wild, but there's almost no scenario where this happens. The Cowboys have enough talent to compete, and dumping their QB1 would be incredibly foolish. I wouldn't say impossible, but I wouldn't call it a "real chance" either.

I can think of only two recent examples, the Redskins letting Kirk Cousins walk because they didn't think he was worth a big contract. And the Texans trading away Deshaun Watson, but that was an entirely different situation and the Texans exploited the Browns desperation. The Texans had embraced a full rebuild and in that scenario didn't need a top QB as much as a playoff contender does.

Fans love dunking on Dak continuing his playoffs misery, but I can almost guarantee trading him would be very unpopular in that locker room. For all his warts, Jerry Jones seems to be highly loyal to his coaches and favorite players.
You mean Jerruh never kept Tony Romo as backup despite recovering from injury, cut Romo and ate dead cap, all to get Dak started in his career even though Romo looked competent for one more run. Even Dak stays, he might be holding a clipboard before becoming a free agent after next season.

If Jerruh wants to move on for whatever they ID as better than Dak, he'll do it.

Dak is more prone to playoff interceptions than Romo, and that's saying something.
 

jpiniero

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The game on Peacock did 23 million viewers. Guess you will be seeing more streaming "PPV" playoff games in the future.
 

manly

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You mean Jerruh never kept Tony Romo as backup despite recovering from injury, cut Romo and ate dead cap, all to get Dak started in his career even though Romo looked competent for one more run. Even Dak stays, he might be holding a clipboard before becoming a free agent after next season.

If Jerruh wants to move on for whatever they ID as better than Dak, he'll do it.

Dak is more prone to playoff interceptions than Romo, and that's saying something.
Dak won the starter's job away from Romo in 2016, which is basically what Tom Brady did to Drew Bledsoe many years before (likewise Steve Young before that). Then Romo retired before the 2017 season. So entrenched franchise QBs do sometimes get replaced by the backup QB, although that is usually not the standard expectation. Just look up Dak Prescott's 2016 rookie campaign stats and tell me the 13-3 Cowboys should have sat him behind Romo?

Don't think it's anything personal (this is just NFL talk), but I have no idea what you're smoking. Why would the Cowboys pay Dak his $34M next season to hold a clipboard? Do they have another QB that should start over him?

Like I already explained, the Cowboys problem is that they are too good of a team to dump their QB1 and "reset." It's not impossible, but basically would signal to the rest of the players that they don't want to contend for a championship in 2024 or 2025. If they were a mediocre team, it would be a LOT easier to decide that Dak Prescott simply isn't worth the $50M+ AAV extension he will be getting.

Finally I'm seeing a huge dead cap hit if the Cowboys got rid of Dak Prescott. They could spread the $62M hit over 3 seasons, but it still seems highly unlikely.

 

dank69

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The game on Peacock did 23 million viewers. Guess you will be seeing more streaming "PPV" playoff games in the future.
How many were free trials? Of course they are trying to spin it positively. Fuck that noise.

EDIT: looked it up, apparently no Peacock free trials...
 
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RPD

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How many were free trials? Of course they are trying to spin it positively. Fuck that noise.

EDIT: looked it up, apparently no Peacock free trials...
which is... disappointing. (Not the free trail, but rather the amount of people that signed up for it to watch ugh)
 
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KMFJD

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There is a window for them to get rid of Dak with no cap penalty.
I remember someone asking the Lions GM about their QB situation and he said it's a lot easier to get worse at QB than better, i think that applies here as well.

I'm changing my pick to the Steelers.

Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer gonna steamroll the Bills.

34-24

Steel over Bovines.
If the Steelers win, it will be because of their running game and defence, not Rudolph, their offence is truly horrendous and the D is missing TJ Watt
 

manly

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which is... disappointing. (Not the free trail, but rather the amount of people that signed up for it to watch ugh)
IIRC the NFL had 19 of the top 20 TV broadcasts of 2023. In today's fragmented and online entertainment world, the NFL is basically the only must see TV remaining.

They've also been shrewd at maintaining a healthy bidding war between the traditional networks, ESPN and now the OTT streamers to maximize broadcast rights revenue. Contrast this to college football which had a very long term exclusive TV deal with ESPN and is reportedly in advanced talks to extend that deal. At the other end, you have Apple which has an incredibly favorable deal with MLS for a very long time.

People wouldn't pay good money to watch an NBA or MLB first round game, but a Chiefs playoffs game with Taylor Swift jumping up and down? That's easy pickings.
 

JujuFish

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The game on Peacock did 23 million viewers. Guess you will be seeing more streaming "PPV" playoff games in the future.

1) That's lower than the viewership of the other games. The Packers-Cowboys game was nearly twice that.
2) Swifties are rabid, so who knows how much of that was from people who otherwise wouldn't have watched.
 

purbeast0

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Heard earlier today Dak is under .500 against teams that end with a winning record. I don't recall the exact numbers but it was like around .42 or something I think.

He is a mid-tier QB in the league. Like he's in the 11-20 group and closer to 11 than 20.

He will never bring a championship to the Cowboys.

He seems like a very good dude though like on a personal level, he's just not a QB that will take you where you want to go.
 

RPD

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IIRC the NFL had 19 of the top 20 TV broadcasts of 2023. In today's fragmented and online entertainment world, the NFL is basically the only must see TV remaining.

They've also been shrewd at maintaining a healthy bidding war between the traditional networks, ESPN and now the OTT streamers to maximize broadcast rights revenue. Contrast this to college football which had a very long term exclusive TV deal with ESPN and is reportedly in advanced talks to extend that deal. At the other end, you have Apple which has an incredibly favorable deal with MLS for a very long time.

People wouldn't pay good money to watch an NBA or MLB first round game, but a Chiefs playoffs game with Taylor Swift jumping up and down? That's easy pickings.
Yea I know, good for them to keep the big contracts coming, just I would never pay to watch a pro sports game on TV. If it's not on my cable sub already, zero interest in chasing it down.
 

pete6032

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Aside from the Packers outlier game, looking historically, this is just more proof that a 7 seed was an awful idea.
 
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Captante

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Aside from the Packers outlier game, looking historically, this is just more proof that a 7 seed was an awful idea.

Similar to MLB there are only SO MANY really "elite" teams in the NFL and these new WC rounds let teams in that just don't belong.

Point being that we really don't want to see "mismatch" games most of the time in the playoffs. (crap "division-winners" is an entirely separate issue)


EDIT: Kudos to the Packers though!
 
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