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MrSquished

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Rooting for the Chiefs since the Lions lost.

Don't like little white Lamar Purdy as much as other things.

Not taking the field goal and three possession lead was so goddamn dumb though. Credit to the niners, they kept their heads down and played ball. That's character.
 

Captante

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The Lions didn't deserve to win that game .... but neither did the Niners lol.

I don't see things going well for this bunch vs KC/Mahomes.
 

Saylick

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Niners won but I didn’t get the feeling like they were a SB caliber team at all. Dan Campbell gambled and lost, but at their best they definitely looked like the better team. GG.
 

Meghan54

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I got the Chiefs winning it all.

Doormat forty niners need to be punted home.

I do not want a system QB winning the Super Bowl; only real QBs like Mahomes.
I’d venture they’re all system qb’s. They all work within whatever “system” the current offfensive hc has envisioned/planned. May or may not fit the particular qb’s skillets, but they all play in systems
 

Captante

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Mahomes "system" includes some kind of voodoo or something.

(obviously Andy Reid is a terrific head coach too)
 
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pete6032

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Lions played extremely aggressively. At some points the aggression was over the top. Why go for the TD on 4th and goal when down 10?
 
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manly

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I’d venture they’re all system qb’s. They all work within whatever “system” the current offfensive hc has envisioned/planned. May or may not fit the particular qb’s skillets, but they all play in systems
That's not what people are implying when they say system QB. In the modern game, obviously every team has some kind of offensive system.

The term system QB is a criticism that means almost any decent QB would be able to perform about as well as the one you have. So while Mahomes runs the Andy Reid playbook, and Tom Brady ran plays called by the his OCs over the years, you'd never hear either of those guys being called a system QB. Almost by definition, elite QBs are never system QBs.

Brock Purdy is too young with so little experience that it's pretty silly to definitively call him a system QB. He's performed well in under two seasons of action and it's far from obvious that you'd get similar results by plugging in a random dude like Kenny Pickett or Gardner Minshew. He hasn't looked his best the past two weeks, but he made crucial plays when the pressure was highest and now they're small favorites in the Super Bowl.
 
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Muse

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I'm watching via Paramount+ on Amazon. No errors so far, <knock on wood> but resolution has sucked.
Why? It was on CBS OTA TV here in the Bay Area. Isn't that available all over? The only playoff game I haven't been able to watch OTA for free here like forever was that Peacock game Marlins vs. KC IIRC, which was a first for the NFL, I think.
 

manly

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Why? It was on CBS OTA TV here in the Bay Area. Isn't that available all over? The only playoff game I haven't been able to watch OTA
Antenna reception isn't universally great for everybody, and I believe Paramount+ streams a better quality video than OTA's 720p/1080i. I might be wrong about that but OTA's 720p is basically bottom of the barrel for "HD."
 

nutxo

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That's not what people are implying when they say system QB. In the modern game, obviously every team has some kind of offensive system.

The term system QB is a criticism that means almost any decent QB would be able to perform about as well as the one you have. So while Mahomes runs the Andy Reid playbook, and Tom Brady ran plays called by the his OCs over the years, you'd never hear either of those guys being called a system QB. Almost by definition, elite QBs are never system QBs.

Brock Purdy is too young with so little experience that it's pretty silly to definitively call him a system QB. He's performed well in under two seasons of action and it's far from obvious that you'd get similar results by plugging in a random dude like Kenny Pickett or Gardner Minshew. He hasn't looked his best the past two weeks, but he made crucial plays when the pressure was highest and now they're small favorites in the Super Bowl.
Sam Darnold cant run it. Jimmy couldnt run it well. Beathard, Mullens....
 

MrSquished

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Mahomes is the ultimate improviser with the talent to back it up. He is anything but a system QB.
 

Muse

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Brock Purdy is too young with so little experience that it's pretty silly to definitively call him a system QB. He's performed well in under two seasons of action and it's far from obvious that you'd get similar results by plugging in a random dude like Kenny Pickett or Gardner Minshew. He hasn't looked his best the past two weeks, but he made crucial plays when the pressure was highest and now they're small favorites in the Super Bowl.
Brock Purdy was IIRC a 5 year starting QB in college in a successful program, he was very experienced before he took a game snap with the 49ers, which I knew before that snap. His success in the NFL from the get-go did not surprise me in the least.
 

Muse

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Antenna reception isn't universally great for everybody, and I believe Paramount+ streams a better quality video than OTA's 720p/1080i. I might be wrong about that but OTA's 720p is basically bottom of the barrel for "HD."
Looks good to me, but I haven't seen better. I did try a trial of Sling. The image quality was astronomically inferior to what I'm used to, OTA network TV. Of course I cancelled Sling. Also Sling would not allow time shifting of any kind, a deal breaker for me right there. My OTA on my Roku 43" 4K TV's supply 90 minutes of time-shift TV. Looks dang good from about 7 feet. I'm in a metro area, get good reception with my quality rooftop antennas. But, of course, not all sporting events are OTA. For instance, I couldn't see the CF playoff games.
 
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manly

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Sam Darnold cant run it. Jimmy couldnt run it well. Beathard, Mullens....
Although I agree with you, I did say any "decent QB" which disqualifies most of that list. Jimmy was in the Super Bowl five years ago, and it's not entirely his fault they blew a 4th quarter lead (I blame Shanahan). I think if Purdy plays a clean game and they win the SB with his help, that pretty much disqualifies him from being a "system QB."
 

Muse

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Antenna reception isn't universally great for everybody, and I believe Paramount+ streams a better quality video than OTA's 720p/1080i. I might be wrong about that but OTA's 720p is basically bottom of the barrel for "HD."
I believe you are incorrect. OTA TV is 1080p... and quite beautiful, I might add.
 
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BoomerD

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Why? It was on CBS OTA TV here in the Bay Area. Isn't that available all over? The only playoff game I haven't been able to watch OTA for free here like forever was that Peacock game Marlins vs. KC IIRC, which was a first for the NFL, I think.
I live too far from Seattle or Portland with way too many hills in between for OTA broadcasts, and Dish Network has been fighting with the owners of the local CBS channel for about 15 months...so Paramount+ is the only way I can watch any CBS content. I saw today that the company is about to lock DirecTV customers out too if DirecTV doesn't bow to their price hikes.
(how the hell they can charge "re-broadcasters" for the content they give away for free via OTA is a mystery to me)
 
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The best part was that the Chiefs beat the Ravens by exploiting their dirty punkass nature against them. Kelce laughing after he trolled Vannoy into headbutting him was hilarious.

I did enjoy how both the Bills and Ravens fans tried to troll the Chiefs by doing 7 Nation Army to sound like the Arrowhead chant (which is racist and people should stop doing; also wondering if they started calling it "Chiefs Kingdom" in advance of expecting to have to change their name too, with opportunity to maybe go with Monarchs for the KC history; I think they also briefly had the Kings pro basketball team; oooh plus Mahomes can start "OMAHA"), and now their fans are left to cry after the Chiefs crushed their dreams. Well Lamar hadn't faced Mahomes playoff Chiefs so that was his first taste of "playoffs? we're talking playoffs?" (that commercial would be so much better without Kevin Hart who adds nothing to it).

This ain't the Alex Smith led Chiefs where you can grab a rebound fumble and dive in like Luck or throw a TD pass to yourself like Mariotta, and win the game, Lamar.

I also loved Harbaugh acting "WTF" after Clowney smacked Mahomes in the head after they'd already tried to uppercut his head off earlier. You raised a dirty team, you shouldn't be surprised when their dirty antics fuck you in the ass unless you're just a piece of shit who's like "how was that a penalty?!?" like the people who apparently don't know what defensive holding is (one of the Ravens players sure does though, blatant no call, but then when Chris Jones can get tripped and shoved from behind in the end zone going after Lamar and they don't call holding, think it evens out). Wonder if his brother had second thoughts, then again I have a hunch the NCAA probably told him he'd better jump or else they'll reveal all the shit he was up to at Michigan and vacating his title. But him going to Seattle would've been nice just for the drama.

Flowers fumbling into the end zone after the taunting penalty and then injuring himself throwing a tantrum on the sidelines, like, WTF these are grown ass men, right? Surprised Lamar didn't spike his helmet right back to himself.

Oh I forgot that one shit talking dipshit (0 or 6) helmet first when he jumped offsides. What a fucking dumbass. Then again knowing those assholes that was intentional (I know the announcers speculated that causing an offside penalty was probably intentional to try and stop the clock, doubt they'd be dumb enough to give free 1st down).

Its time people start calling Baltimore's "passion" what it is, dirty fuckin bullshit.

I guess what I'm trying to say is:

D deserves the game ball, and sadly Chiefs probably gonna lose Chris Jones as they're not gonna pay him this offseason, dude is a stud and deserves to get paid. Unless Mahomes pays him under the table or something. Maybe hook him up with a few of the ALL OF THE COMMERCIALS that apparently him and Kelce got. Well, except for EVERY MOVIE that apparently requires John Cena to be in it now. But you know its bad when even Ah-nuld gets overshadowed.

I also loved how Kelce flipped off the Bills fans right after throwing the ball into the stands after one of the TDs and then did the heart. I think he was actually trolling the fans with the heart gesture too, but hey as long as they keep annoying the piss out of opposing fans I'm cool with them saying it was for Taylor.

One last thing, so there's all the speculation about Bill Bellyache and him not getting a coaching job (he wants a team set to compete now, only team close was the Cowboys and we see Jerruh still can't get over the ego bruising the Sausage King of Dallas Jimmie Johnson getting credit for the 90s Cowboys). Don't be surprised if more open up. Reid was considering retiring after last season if I remember correctly. Even though I can't stand the sourpuss, the collective head explosion across the league if Bill got Mahomes would be worth it. I say Spags deserves to take over. Maybe Bienemy can come back and co-head coach in KC, each focusing on one side of the ball.
 
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Although I agree with you, I did say any "decent QB" which disqualifies most of that list. Jimmy was in the Super Bowl five years ago, and it's not entirely his fault they blew a 4th quarter lead (I blame Shanahan). I think if Purdy plays a clean game and they win the SB with his help, that pretty much disqualifies him from being a "system QB."

Honestly, I'd call Montana a system QB, and even Manning (both, granted Peyton basically ran his system) and Brady (when given talent he put up huge numbers, but he still won when the talent wasn't as good, he did what was asked of him 95% of the time, which included asking him to win games or put them in position to win; he just happened to be in a system run by one of the best coaches ever so it evolved and adapted with Brady always ready to do what was needed; can make the argument with his Tampa Bay ring he was more but that was a pretty tailor made situation for him; but then so was Denver for Manning) so I'm not sure I'd consider system QB an insult exactly. Montana was clutch as fuck, but he was also on talent laden teams with a coach who literally basically created the modern NFL offense that pretty much everyone still runs in some regard. On the other hand you have "game managers" like Alex Smith that can't win when their team needs them.

I haven't seen Purdy play much, but he's done enough to get plenty of credit for the 49ers success. The 49ers looked lost with Garappalo and Trey Lance. There's a reason why they went for Lance, and there's a reason they haven't looked back since. Would Purdy have the success he's had without the talented and usually well coached 49ers team? Probably not, but plenty of guys have had talented teams and little to show for it. Its still early in his career, we'll see. Hell, we'll see how Mahomes goes once he doesn't have Reid.
 
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