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purbeast0

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I mean is it really his fault his players kept making dumb ass mistakes?

It's one game where literally everything went wrong for them but it was mainly on the players IMO. Fumbles and interceptions aren't really on the head coach.
 

thestrangebrew1

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I mean is it really his fault his players kept making dumb ass mistakes?

It's one game where literally everything went wrong for them but it was mainly on the players IMO. Fumbles and interceptions aren't really on the head coach.
I wouldn't put the whole game on him, but hIs body of work includes a complete meltdown in the playoffs last year and a 24-24 record or something like that. IIRC he's the defensive playcaller too. IDK. Looking at their record, they won't be able to get over .500 and surely won't make the playoffs even if they win out. Someone's head's gotta roll, Staley just seems like the guy. I doubt they get rid of Moore who they just brought in this season.
 
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MrSquished

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I wouldn't put the whole game on him, but hIs body of work includes a complete meltdown in the playoffs last year and a 24-24 record or something like that. IIRC he's the defensive playcaller too. IDK. Looking at their record, they won't be able to get over .500 and surely won't make the playoffs even if they win out. Someone's head's gotta roll, Staley just seems like the guy. I doubt they get rid of Moore who they just brought in this season.
Hey any other predictions that you came up with today?

just let me know
 
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JujuFish

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Allen is part of the reason the Bills are in a bad spot with his bad INTs.

What a tired and erroneous point. First, several of his interceptions were either off his own players' fingertips or as 3rd down pseudo-punts/Hail Marys. Second, if you subtract his turnovers from his TDs, he's still only 2 behind Purdy, at +20 to Purdy's +22.
 

Torn Mind

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What a tired and erroneous point. First, several of his interceptions were either off his own players' fingertips or as 3rd down pseudo-punts/Hail Marys. Second, if you subtract his turnovers from his TDs, he's still only 2 behind Purdy, at +20 to Purdy's +22.
You're desperate, aren't you.

The MVP isn't the "most potent" award. It's the one that gives the most value to the team.

Josh Allen essentially gave away games to the Jets, Jags, etc. A player that costs teams games simply can't be that valuable compared to others in the league. He might be the MVP of the Bills because they'd crack and leak their entrails without him, but most certainly not MVP of the league.
 

JujuFish

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You're desperate, aren't you.

The MVP isn't the "most potent" award. It's the one that gives the most value to the team.

Josh Allen essentially gave away games to the Jets, Jags, etc. A player that costs teams games simply can't be that valuable compared to others in the league. He might be the MVP of the Bills because they'd crack and leak their entrails without him, but most certainly not MVP of the league.

Oh please. Allen is the reason the team was even in the games, despite the playcalling of Ken Dorsey. The defense gave away so many games this season. Jets? 10 points in the final 5 minutes and a return TD in OT. Broncos? Game winning FG drive in the final two minutes. Eagles? Game winning FG drive in the final two minutes. Patriots? Game winning TD drive in the final two minutes. There's a reason so many Bills fans called for McDermott's head, since he runs the defense.

Try putting another QB on the Bills and see how well they would have done. Allen isn't just the "most potent", he's usually "the only reason Buffalo doesn't get shut out". Allen accounts for 82.2% of their TDs. The top 5 MVP candidates going into this week? Dak: 62.5%, Purdy: 58.5%, Lamar: 51.1%, Hurts: 79.5%, Mahomes: 71.4%. Tell me again who is most valuable to their team?
 

RPD

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Oh please. Allen is the reason the team was even in the games, despite the playcalling of Ken Dorsey. The defense gave away so many games this season. Jets? 10 points in the final 5 minutes and a return TD in OT. Broncos? Game winning FG drive in the final two minutes. Eagles? Game winning FG drive in the final two minutes. Patriots? Game winning TD drive in the final two minutes. There's a reason so many Bills fans called for McDermott's head, since he runs the defense.

Try putting another QB on the Bills and see how well they would have done. Allen isn't just the "most potent", he's usually "the only reason Buffalo doesn't get shut out". Allen accounts for 82.2% of their TDs. The top 5 MVP candidates going into this week? Dak: 62.5%, Purdy: 58.5%, Lamar: 51.1%, Hurts: 79.5%, Mahomes: 71.4%. Tell me again who is most valuable to their team?
How many passes did Allen have last night? Tell me what MVP stands for with a straight face with his stats last night in a game they dominated.
 

purbeast0

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There is a quote from Josh Allen where he said something along the lines of "it felt like I was in a school group project but did nothing and still earned an A" lol.

Josh Allen shouldn't be in the MVP discussion IMO.
 

manly

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LOL at supporting Allen's MVP case with a made-up stat. I guess he and Jalens Hurts have to be the front-runners by "accounting" for 80% of their team's TDs.
 

JujuFish

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How many passes did Allen have last night? Tell me what MVP stands for with a straight face with his stats last night in a game they dominated.

Last night was literally the first game all season he didn't have to carry the team. Cook had 221 scrimmage yards and was easily the best player on the field for either team. Allen's 15 pass attempts were the fewest he's ever had in a full game, because he finally didn't need to.
 

JujuFish

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LOL at supporting Allen's MVP case with a made-up stat. I guess he and Jalens Hurts have to be the front-runners by "accounting" for 80% of their team's TDs.

Made up stat? What? I'm certainly not the first person to point this out.

And I never said he should be the frontrunner. Just that he should be in the conversation. If the defense hadn't blown 4 leads in the final 2 minutes of games, the Bills would be the #1 seed right now and he would be among the frontrunners.
 

RPD

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Last night was literally the first game all season he didn't have to carry the team. Cook had 221 scrimmage yards and was easily the best player on the field for either team. Allen's 15 pass attempts were the fewest he's ever had in a full game, because he finally didn't need to.
Guess I'll still wait.
 

manly

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Made up stat? What? I'm certainly not the first person to point this out.

And I never said he should be the frontrunner. Just that he should be in the conversation. If the defense hadn't blown 4 leads in the final 2 minutes of games, the Bills would be the #1 seed right now and he would be among the frontrunners.
I'm not an NFL junky, but I've never head of anyone credible claim that "accounted for" TDs is a prime metric to judge a QB's value. Never. Then you basically used a variation of gross TDs, by deducting turnovers. Honestly I love stats as much as the next guy but we don't need to cherry pick numbers to make our guy look better.

Look, scoring TDs is the whole point of the game but your usage basically assigns the lion's share of the player's "value" to the crossing of the goal line. I'm not saying that isn't important, but it's no different from RBIs* in baseball. You can't use either to really judge a player's performance and value. Some players (usually RBs or WRs) are known to be popular end zone targets, and get to produce more TDs this way. That isn't a reflection of their total value. Obviously TD/INT ratio is a traditional way of looking at a QB's performance; but Allen and Hurts** are big, durable runners who produce more rushing TDs than usual. If you're implying that Allen is 35% more "valuable" than Purdy based on his % of the team's offensive TDs, well then I think you're wrong.

I do think Josh Allen deserves to be in the conversation, but the Bills record is going to hold him back. If the Bills run the table, why wouldn't he be in the conversation? Obviously some of this is "political." Hurts is having a solid campaign, but he was the outright favorite 3 weeks ago when the Eagles were 10-1. 2 bad losses later, he's not looking so hot.

* There was a time when RBI was heavily weighted in MVP voting, but that has mostly gone away.
** Esp. Hurts with the arguably BS "tush push."
 
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