NFL 2024 Season

[purbeast0]

You didn't miss too much out of Daniels for the first two weeks. They were taking it slow with him and he doesn't throw much (yet). The playbook isn't very big yet and they just happened to face a very bad D on a night where both teams had no defense.

First time since 1940 a game had no turnover OR punts.

Not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that the Bengals have "a very bad bad defense."

They held Mahomes to 20 points on offense, picked him twice, and recovered a fumble. They held him to like 150 yards passing.

The week prior the Pats scored 16 points.

 

[Torn Mind]

Not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that the Bengals have "a very bad bad defense."

They held Mahomes to 20 points on offense, picked him twice, and recovered a fumble. They held him to like 150 yards passing.

The week prior the Pats scored 16 points.

How about they were very bad last night?
That was my intended point anyway. They were missing two starters as well, which would explain it.

The Chiefs were in the middle last season for "points for", at 21 a game on average. They win through a combination of timely defense and offense, rather than the pure explosiveness when they had Hill and no one ran cover 2, and the Bengals just seem to play up to their level.

 

[purbeast0]

How about they were very bad last night?
That was my intended point anyway. They were missing two starters as well, which would explain it.

The Chiefs were in the middle last season for "points for", at 21 a game on average. They win through a combination of timely defense and offense, rather than the pure explosiveness when they had Hill and no one ran cover 2, and the Bengals just seem to play up to their level.

I mean Jayden Daniels literally had a record breaking performance. To say it's just because the Bengals had a bad defensive night is not even close to being fair and not what happened if you watched the whole game.

It was more that Daniels put them on their heels with his running threat and then the scheme that KK drew up, as well as just some incredible plays made by Daniels. I mean that final TD pass, Daniels got crushed by the defense and the guy was draped all over McLaurin. It was just a better throw that was put in the perfect spot to be able to have a play made on it.

 

[Torn Mind]

I mean Jayden Daniels literally had a record breaking performance. To say it's just because the Bengals had a bad defensive night is not even close to being fair and not what happened if you watched the whole game.

It was more that Daniels put them on their heels with his running threat and then the scheme that KK drew up, as well as just some incredible plays made by Daniels. I mean that final TD pass, Daniels got crushed by the defense and the guy was draped all over McLaurin. It was just a better throw that was put in the perfect spot to be able to have a play made on it.

I'm not sure how getting lit up by any QB and coughing up 38 points, being unable to stop any drive for a punt, is anything but bad. Unless you're arguing Daniels is already on Stroud level and that the Bengals got lit up by someone "that good".

I also watch the Commanders cough up big plays consistently for the better part of 2-3 years. Giving up a easy TDs is a objective metric and the Bengals outsucked one of the suckiest defenses in the league.

They face Lamar twice a year and Taylor-Britt trash talked saying Commanders run a "college offense". So they themselves were coming in with expectations that Washington wasn't all that. It's not like Daniels is the first mobile QB to put matchup problems for them.

 

[purbeast0]

I'm not sure how getting lit up by any QB and coughing up 38 points, being unable to stop any drive for a punt, is anything but bad. Unless you're arguing Daniels is already on Stroud level and that the Bengals got lit up by someone "that good".

I also watch the Commanders cough up big plays consistently for the better part of 2-3 years. Giving up a easy TDs is a objective metric and the Bengals outsucked one of the suckiest defenses in the league.

They face Lamar twice a year and Taylor-Britt trash talked saying Commanders run a "college offense". So they themselves were coming in with expectations that Washington wasn't all that. It's not like Daniels is the first mobile QB to put matchup problems for them.

A team can just flat out get out played and out schemed. That doesn't mean they have bad defense because that happens.

Also sometimes, the offense is just better than the defense that day. That doesn't mean the defense was bad. You can just get out played.

The Bengals shut down the running game of Robinson. He was a non factor that entire game. The Bengals defense had the Commanders dead to rights 3 times and held them to 4th downs where the Commanders went for it and just got it. Just because someone makes a 4th down play doesn't mean the defense is bad. There are pros on both sides of the ball and one side will play better than the other side basically every play. It doesn't mean one side is inherintly bad. It's not the defenses fault that the Commanders ran the 2nd half kickoff back to like their 30 yard line either.

The Commanders have had a bottom of the NFL defense for like the past 10 years. It's nothing new to them and everyone knew their defense sucked, especially the secondary, going into this year. It's playing out exactly as expected. All things equal though, I'd even say they did alright against Burrow, Higgins, and Chase considering how great all 3 of those guys are. But they still had huge chunk plays both on the ground and in the air.

But I guess all of the talking heads on all of the sports tv and radio stations are wrong and you are right. You must know something that all of them don't.

 

[jpiniero]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1839336330092015656

I got a laugh out of this.

 

[Torn Mind]

A team can just flat out get out played and out schemed. That doesn't mean they have bad defense because that happens.

Also sometimes, the offense is just better than the defense that day. That doesn't mean the defense was bad. You can just get out played.

The Bengals shut down the running game of Robinson. He was a non factor that entire game. The Bengals defense had the Commanders dead to rights 3 times and held them to 4th downs where the Commanders went for it and just got it. Just because someone makes a 4th down play doesn't mean the defense is bad. There are pros on both sides of the ball and one side will play better than the other side basically every play. It doesn't mean one side is inherintly bad. It's not the defenses fault that the Commanders ran the 2nd half kickoff back to like their 30 yard line either.

The Commanders have had a bottom of the NFL defense for like the past 10 years. It's nothing new to them and everyone knew their defense sucked, especially the secondary, going into this year. It's playing out exactly as expected. All things equal though, I'd even say they did alright against Burrow, Higgins, and Chase considering how great all 3 of those guys are. But they still had huge chunk plays both on the ground and in the air.

But I guess all of the talking heads on all of the sports tv and radio stations are wrong and you are right. You must know something that all of them don't.

The Bengals were missing 3 starters. Most backups aren't the same. If Pittsubrgh loses TJ Watt(and they have in the past), then their D's effectiveness drops by a large amount.

Their Dline is key to everything else functioning because all of their other guys are just solid, but not elite or HoFers(i.e the linebacker in the Super Bowl bit on the TE when Stafford was going to Kupp. If that was Ray Lewis, it's a pick). The offense the Commanders run is probably college-level in terms of complexity, and it's only been slowly adding wrinkles; it's not prime Tom Brady or Peyton Manning levels of complex.

Good players punish bad defenses, even if it is merely injured for that day. The Commanders usually don't exploit even injured defenses, and comically lose these sort of games where they had some advantage that the team the prior week absolutely destroyed.

The Bengals with just Tre Hendrickson isn't a good D.

It's not mutually exclusive that the Bengals without three starters bad-to-questionable and that Daniels is showing offensive poise and moxie.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that the Bengals have "a very bad bad defense."

They held Mahomes to 20 points on offense, picked him twice, and recovered a fumble. They held him to like 150 yards passing.

The week prior the Pats scored 16 points.

This is not the Chiefs offense of even 2 years ago, Butker is the offensive MVP of the Chiefs for over a year now. That's why they basically patted him on the back after his insane grad speech rant, they need him to win.

 

[purbeast0]

Yeah the Bengals defense is terrible and I guess the Cardinals defense is also terrible now...

 

[Muadib]

Vikings tried to give Sunday's game away, but remain unbeaten.

 

[manly]

Sam Darnold (!) for MVP?

Yeah the Bengals defense is terrible and I guess the Cardinals defense is also terrible now...

Through 4 games, Bengals D is very average statistically.

Some guys just can't say "I was wrong about that" and have to defend their opinions with elaborate excuses.

 

[RPD]

Sam Darnold (!) for MVP?



Through 4 games, Bengals D is very average statistically.

Some guys just can't say "I was wrong about that" and have to defend their opinions with elaborate excuses.

Lmao, statistically average = terrible now?

 

[Torn Mind]

Yeah the Bengals defense is terrible and I guess the Cardinals defense is also terrible now...

You do realize that the Cardinals had the second worst points against out of all 32 teams in 2023, with only the Commanders outdoing them? 465 pts for the Cards and 518 pts for the Commanders. The average points against is 26.8 for the 2023 Cards. Perhaps you only watch Washington's D, so every other D is going to look better, even last year's second worst.

So, I'm not sure that giving up 24 points to the Carolina freaking Panthers is exactly a good look on the Bengals, with injuries and key free agency losses.

Then you have guys like local Bengals reports making utterances that it was the worst in team history(which I didn't make because I don't know Bengals history)

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5790252/2024/09/24/bengals-bad-defense-commanders/

As boos rained down on them during Monday’s 38-33 loss to the Washington Commanders, the Bengals defense turned in the worst performance in team history, failing to make a single stop and allowing five touchdowns and a field goal on six possessions, two others ending in Washington taking a knee.

Excluding drives ending in knees, the Bengals allowed 6.3 points per drive against Washington. The previous team record was 5.6 in Week 10 of 2018 against the New Orleans Saints. Marvin Lewis fired defensive coordinator Teryl Austin after that game.

The loss of DJ Reader has been noted by Bengals fans a major loss.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bengals/comments/1fingmg/bengals_defensive_line_amongst_the_worst_in_nfl

 

[Torn Mind]

Sam Darnold (!) for MVP?



Through 4 games, Bengals D is very average statistically.

Some guys just can't say "I was wrong about that" and have to defend their opinions with elaborate excuses.

That's a funny and irrelevant shade, given that I have cited references and relevant statistics. If presenting evidence is "making excuses", you're either deficient in processing information, have a personal vendetta, or simply trolling.

 

[manly]

Lmao, statistically average = terrible now?

This little debate goes back about a week.

That's a funny and irrelevant shade, given that I have cited references and relevant statistics. If presenting evidence is "making excuses", you're either deficient in processing information, have a personal vendetta, or simply trolling.

I'll clarify a bit. Obviously I agree with @purbeast0 . For some reason, you think I have some particular beef with you but I actually don't. Just a small football debate, no more, no less.

I've watched very little NFL this season, but the Bengals appear to have about a league average D (based on the stats). You're entitled to your opinion but nothing you have said convinces me that you're actually correct.

A week ago, you made a general sweeping statement about their defense, not a one-game assessment. Goal posts move much? Other than that, I really DGAF about the Bengals D and you can continue to pump up your opinion if you wish to.

And thanks for the reverse "shade."

 

[KLin]

All I know is I'm a Lions fan for this MNF.

 

[thestrangebrew1]

All I know is I'm a Lions fan for this MNF.

Yup, me too. I also need St. Brown to score like 35+ pts for fantasy lol

 

[pete6032]

Both teams looking good. First time watching Geno since his Jets days.

 

[darkswordsman17]

This is gonna be another weird year, but also kinda more of the same of like last year. Some good teams will look really good, but you almost can't trust it. I feel like there's gonna be a 2023 Eagles like team that goes like 8-1 and then misses the playoffs or something. Even though it feels like them, I don't think it'll be Detroit either.

I got a laugh during the Bills-Ravens game where they're like framing it as both teams are the Chiefs bitch.

There's something wrong with Mahomes, like he's just not doing a good job of passing. And I think the receivers are getting unfairly blamed for it. I felt like there was some of that last season, and they acted like it was all just the receivers. He's also doing other dumb stuff. Like he almost fucked up his knee cause he did some stupid running before kneeling at the end of I think the Falcons game. They're lucky they're 4-0. And if Butker starts missing they might be in trouble. But if Kareem Hunt looks anything like 2018/2019 form, and Worthy keeps developing and Brown gets healthy, the offense could start looking like their old one. Speedy receivers over the top or forcing safeties deep, play action/screens keeping teams thinking they can blitz their way, open up the middle of the field where Kelce/TEs and the other receivers can get chunks.

You know what, Stroud might actually be the 2nd best QB now. Behind...Sam Darnold. WTF? Is Flacco really just Fitzpatrick wearing a Flacco suit? Miami should see if Arizona will loan them Kyler Murray.

 

[Exterous]

That Lions v Seahawks game was very entertaining. Goff catching a TD reception and having a perfect game. Some great catches and runs after catches. A safety. A Seahawks offense that really came alive

 

[MrSquished]

wow. that was some last minute craziness at the Atlanta-Bucs game. Baker is like, is there insurance for this type of loss? And can we charge it all to the defense?

 

[akenbennu]

wow. that was some last minute craziness at the Atlanta-Bucs game. Baker is like, is there insurance for this type of loss? And can we charge it all to the defense?

I went to bed when the Falcons missed on 4th down with about 1:45 to go. What happened?

 

[purbeast0]

I went to bed when the Falcons missed on 4th down with about 1:45 to go. What happened?

Bucs went 3 and out and had to punt because they got pushed out of FG range, Cousins drives them down and he passes a ball over the middle when there was 12 seconds left at the start of the play and no timeouts, and spiked the ball with 1 second left, and they hit a FG to tie the game.

Then they just march down the field on the opening kickoff in OT and score a TD.

The NFL OT rules are so dumb they really need to change it for not just the playoffs, but the regular season, where both teams get at least 1 offensive possession. It's just stupid at this point.

 

[manly]

I went to bed when the Falcons missed on 4th down with about 1:45 to go. What happened?

LOL I thought that was game over too, and turned it off. Seemed like going for it on 4th and 15 was way too optimistic too.

 

[zinfamous]

The NFL OT rules are so dumb they really need to change it for not just the playoffs, but the regular season, where both teams get at least 1 offensive possession. It's just stupid at this point.

I'd be fine with this, but I really don't mind it as it is now, compared to how you only had to kick a FG to win before. I consider these grown men to be pros on both sides of the line. The Defense has just as much an important job as the offense does in this situation. Granted, by an overtime situation, the D is probably going to be way more gassed compared to the offense, so they do have something of a disadvantage. But they are actually paid $millions to do that job. From what I understand, even with the previous rules, a lot of top tier defensive players had generally argued that it diminishes their role on the team to claim that it is impossible for them to stop the team that wins the coin toss...I tend to agree with that.