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Torn Mind

Lifer
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IIRC RG2 lead to all the problems...RG3 might have been a real athlete and team guy out there, if RG2 didn't exist in that lockerroom, or in his life all those years.

anyhoo...


HOLY SHIT!!! ahd people over watching tonight. the two of us that know foootball were super fucking shocked and also entertained. the rest were...really also entertained. lol.
A grown man isn't going to let his daddy rule him that much. That whole "I wanna be Aaron Rodgers" spiel might have been RGIII's own thoughts. He also put himself on the spot with the "I'll be back by opening day" deadline, which probably did him no favors for long term effectiveness. The reality was that it was lawlessness in terms of read option protection back then, and RGIII might have wanted to save his career. As an aside, it is also a myth that pocket passers are "safer". No they are not. The good ones are just more "adept" at playing QB because they had to be.

Having dealt with military guys to a light extent, their communications are not to be trusted at face value. It's really not different from dealing with a politician.

RGIII might have had straight line speed but his evasiveness and agility were awkward and did not help him in terms of "tight space evasiveness".

Jayden Daniels is properly "surgical". A Tom Brady or Joe Montana level of awareness and knowledge that manifests in "making the play", and it manifests in the most stressful of moment. Something none of the prior QBs had.
 

Hans Gruber

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A grown man isn't going to let his daddy rule him that much. That whole "I wanna be Aaron Rodgers" spiel might have been RGIII's own thoughts. He also put himself on the spot with the "I'll be back by opening day" deadline, which probably did him no favors for long term effectiveness. The reality was that it was lawlessness in terms of read option protection back then, and RGIII might have wanted to save his career. As an aside, it is also a myth that pocket passers are "safer". No they are not. The good ones are just more "adept" at playing QB because they had to be.

Having dealt with military guys to a light extent, their communications are not to be trusted at face value. It's really not different from dealing with a politician.

RGIII might have had straight line speed but his evasiveness and agility were awkward and did not help him in terms of "tight space evasiveness".

Jayden Daniels is properly "surgical". A Tom Brady or Joe Montana level of awareness and knowledge that manifests in "making the play", and it manifests in the most stressful of moment. Something none of the prior QBs had.
I take it you didn't see Jayden Daniels play at Arizona State before transferring to LSU.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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I cannot believe we just put up 45 on the #1 seed and won by 14 and are on the way to the NFC Championship game. Absolutely NOBODY had that on their bingo card this year. From Dan Snyder owning the team 2 years ago to 4 wins last year to being 1 game away from the Super Bowl now like WTF. There has to be a 30 for 30 on this at some point.

I had people over until 3am and am hungover like shit but I don't give a fuck! We're going to the NFC Championship for the first time since I was fucking 10 years old, where we smashed the Lions. We are not 5-0 against the Lions in the playoffs too.

LETS GOOOOOO!!!!!

EDIT:

Oh and about the game lol. Gibbs was just killing us we kept talking about why are the Lions even passing just give Gibbs the ball. But they did keep passing and Goff made quite a few mistakes.

The Commanders also overcame 1 or 2 TERRIBLE calls that flipped the game. That "facemask" on 3rd which would have led to a Lions punt but instead led to to a Lions TD was huge. And the false start on the Commanders opening drive was total BS. The center moved his head like they do every time in shotgun. It was a penalty on the Lions for jumping early.

I also don't think that hit on the pick 6 against Goff was bad at all - he wasn't a QB at that time he was a defender and it was a bang bang play so whatever, he got hit in the chin. Even if they called that it was like at the goal line and the Commanders have the ball on like the 17 yardline. They could have scored so easily.

And that 12 men on the field penalty was huge, but it also doesn't mean without it the Commanders don't score on 4th down. They could have gotten it either way.

But now none of that matters!
 
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akugami

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Some of the guys I know in OCMD are definitely chirping that they want the Eagles.

It's amazing what an ownership change does to a franchise. I think it comes down to an ownership that installs good managerial values at the top, and hires knowledgeable people to run the team, then gets out of the way. Not interfere in team management because of player Madden ratings.

Say what you will about the Eagles, but when Jeffrey Lurie bought the team in 1994, it's been highly successful, even if there was only one SB win to show for it. They've been to numerous playoffs, 3 SB appearances, and 1 win. There's at least 25 other teams that would kill for that record.

When Dan Snyder sold the team, instant success.
 

purbeast0

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Some of the guys I know in OCMD are definitely chirping that they want the Eagles.

It's amazing what an ownership change does to a franchise. I think it comes down to an ownership that installs good managerial values at the top, and hires knowledgeable people to run the team, then gets out of the way. Not interfere in team management because of player Madden ratings.

Say what you will about the Eagles, but when Jeffrey Lurie bought the team in 1994, it's been highly successful, even if there was only one SB win to show for it. They've been to numerous playoffs, 3 SB appearances, and 1 win. There's at least 25 other teams that would kill for that record.

When Dan Snyder sold the team, instant success.
I don't know if you saw it, but there was like a minute long interview with Magic Johnson after the Commanders won against the Bucs, where he is with Josh Harris and basically says that they hire the right people and let them do their job and they get out of the way. That is 100% the opposite of how Dan Snyder operated.

EDIT:

Here it is, and it is in direct contrast with how Jerry Jones runs things lol.

 
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zinfamous

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Player would have been ejected for targeting in college.

Yeah I agree that it was a bang bang play but at the end of the day it was head to the QB's head. All sorts of obviously unintentional hits like that get flagged, and this one was also unintentional, and so I'm really surprised that it wasn't called.
 
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KMFJD

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Respect to Washington, they won this game fair and square and were the better team...now go beat the shit out of Eagles/Rams/Chiefs

Once Amik Robertson went down (2nd d play of the game ffs) i was just dreading the outcome...cb was the one position they could not afford another player lose
 

purbeast0

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Yeah I agree that it was a bang bang play but at the end of the day it was head to the QB's head. All sorts of obviously unintentional hits like that get flagged, and this one was also unintentional, and so I'm really surprised that it wasn't called.
Doesn't matter if it was the QB at that point. He wasn't the QB in the pocket. He was a defender.

(not saying it was/wasnt a penalty - just that the QB specific rules don't matter at that point)
 

JujuFish

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Doesn't matter if it was the QB at that point. He wasn't the QB in the pocket. He was a defender.

(not saying it was/wasnt a penalty - just that the QB specific rules don't matter at that point)
Doesn't matter if he was a defender or not. Zin's comment on surprising has to do with the fact that QBs are so protected these days.
 

purbeast0

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Literal textbook targeting. Lowers his crown into the head.
I'll agree to disagree but it doesn't matter at this point either way. I still think in the moment it was just a bang bang play and he was just blocking Goff and it went down like it did.

As I mentioned up above, the refs missed 2 huge penalties that favored the Lions as well that changed the trajectory of the game. Even if that was called at 15 yard penalty the Commanders have the ball on the 20 or so and most likely score 7 anyways, based on how their offense was going.
 

akugami

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I don't know if you saw it, but there was like a minute long interview with Magic Johnson after the Commanders won against the Bucs, where he is with Josh Harris and basically says that they hire the right people and let them do their job and they get out of the way. That is 100% the opposite of how Dan Snyder operated.

EDIT:

Here it is, and it is in direct contrast with how Jerry Jones runs things lol.


Love Magic. It seemed like there was a Lakers parade every year when I was growing up and he was playing. As for Joshua Harris, he seems to have hired the right people to run the Washington Commanders, he's been abysmal in hiring the right people to run the Philadelphia 76ers.

As for Jerry Jones, he bought a shiny new toy and he wants to play with it until he dies. Much to the chagrin of the Cowboys fan base. Jerry Jones had initial success with Jimmy Johnson, and after Johnson was fired, Barry Switzer did win one. But let's be honest, Barry Switzer's SB win was really just carryover from how amazing of a job Jimmy Johnson did. There's been some middling success here and there, but ultimately not even a sniff of the divisional championship round.
 

purbeast0

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Love Magic. It seemed like there was a Lakers parade every year when I was growing up and he was playing. As for Joshua Harris, he seems to have hired the right people to run the Washington Commanders, he's been abysmal in hiring the right people to run the Philadelphia 76ers.
Embiid has kind of put them in a bad spot too unfortunately.
 

manly

Lifer
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purbeast0 is clearly not objective when it comes to his team. But that's not unusual and he's not a crazy homer like the Iggles fan who got himself banned from the stadium a week ago.

College targeting has nothing whatsoever to do with the NFL, so why even bring it up?

The rule was explained on air so I presume the analyst was correct: after tossing the INT, Goff wasn't just a normal "defender," but still protected against unnecessary contact.** Obviously that becomes a total judgment call because that privilege isn't extended to any other player on the field. It's also chaotic on an INT return, so the zebras would have to see the penalty to even throw a flag.*

I take it at face value that the on-air analyst wasn't talking nonsense; I think we can agree that the roughing calls Mahomes was gifted were a lot worse than this no-call. For the record, there was no flag when Mahomes tried to "draw a foul" on a late hit, but it was obvious he was flopping.

* Compare this to the opening play of Eagles/Packers where the kick returner got totally lit up and the refs didn't call it. A week later, they fined the tackler for helmet to helmet LOL. To add insult to injury, there was an overhead replay that showed the returner Nixon clearly retained possession of the ball, but supposedly the referees did not have access to this camera in the stadium. Not to grumble about one play in this game; the Packers got thoroughly dominated regardless.

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No penalty was called, but FOX’s officiating expert Mike Pereira thought there should have been.

“After the interception, during the entire play, the quarterback is considered defenseless,” Pereira said on the TV broadcast. “You can block him if he pursues the play, but you can’t hit him in the head or neck area, which Luvu did. So this should have been called, which would have resulted — with the ball still alive — in a 15-yard penalty from the 5-yard line.”
 
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spacejamz

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purbeast0 is clearly not objective when it comes to his team. But that's not unusual and he's not a crazy homer like the Iggles fan who got himself banned from the stadium a week ago.

College targeting has nothing whatsoever to do with the NFL, so why even bring it up?

The rule was explained on air so I presume the analyst was correct: after tossing the INT, Goff wasn't just a normal "defender," but still protected against unnecessary contact.** Obviously that becomes a total judgment call because that privilege isn't extended to any other player on the field. It's also chaotic on an INT return, so the zebras would have to see the penalty to even throw a flag.*

I take it at face value that the on-air analyst wasn't talking nonsense; I think we can agree that the roughing calls Mahomes was gifted were a lot worse than this no-call. For the record, there was no flag when Mahomes tried to "draw a foul" on a late hit, but it was obvious he was flopping.

* Compare this to the opening play of Eagles/Packers where the kick returner got totally lit up and the refs didn't call it. A week later, they fined the tackler for helmet to helmet LOL. To add insult to injury, there was an overhead replay that showed the returner Nixon clearly retained possession of the ball, but supposedly the referees did not have access to this camera in the stadium. Not to grumble about one play in this game; the Packers got thoroughly dominated regardless.

**

yup...Mike Florio?? (the analyst they go to for clarifying calls - he was an ex-ref I think) definitely said that should have been a penalty...
 

JujuFish

Lifer
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Speaking of flopping and complaining and trying to draw flags, respect to Burrow for taking a bunch of crap because of his oline and never complaining. Allen flops, Mahomes tiptoes along sidelines, everyone waves their arms when they want a flag. Burrow just gets ready for the next snap. At least, that's the case when I've seen his games.
 

manly

Lifer
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yup...Mike Florio?? (the analyst they go to for clarifying calls - he was an ex-ref I think) definitely said that should have been a penalty...
I quoted Pereira at the bottom; it directly refutes purbeast0's claim that Goff was a "defender" so the hit was therefore allowed.
 

akugami

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Stafford probably got hurt a bit. Depending on the severity, this may affect them later in the game.

The TV crew did mention that Eagles CB Quinyon Mitchell didn't come back in after that hit either.
 

KLin

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Kind of a wicked helmet to helmet. Would have been ejected in college.
 
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