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purbeast0

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The Eagles stadium? I'd disagree. It's an awesome atmosphere on game day. I can't speak for the views from most parts of the stadium, but having been in various seats, mostly between the 35 yard lines, it's been great. I don't have season tickets.

As far as Philly sucking, every city has their negatives. Philly is actually not that bad. Not saying it's the greatest city in the world, but it gets a bad rep that is overblown. Speaking as someone who has lived in both the west coast and east coast.
Disagree with what?
 

purbeast0

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sorry, bro. I'm strangely confident for this weekend, though. especially as refs don't have some current bias for Philly/Hurts like they do with KC
I am just nervous about it. To me the game is basically a coin flip though.

I think I fear just losing to Philly more than anything lol. Like that will sting so much more than losing to any other team at this level of the playoffs.
 
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manly

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Not sure what kinda coin you're flipping.
Eagles -6, moneyline -300

The Eagles currently have the best SB winning odds, not because they are the best team remaining but because they are a solid favorite in the conference championship.
But "Any Given Sunday" and most people aren't rooting against the Commanders.
 

purbeast0

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Not sure what kinda coin you're flipping.
Eagles -6, moneyline -300

The Eagles currently have the best SB winning odds, not because they are the best team remaining but because they are a solid favorite in the conference championship.
But "Any Given Sunday" and most people aren't rooting against the Commanders.
It's more of a coin flip because it's a divisional rival. They've played 2 times this year and split. Teams very rarely play a 3rd time. Home field doesn't mean nearly as much in divisional games either. Just listen to all the talking heads they are basically split right down the middle too. There are multiple/equal amounts of reasons that each team has where they can realistically win the game.

There is just a lot more to the outcome than what Vegas has the lines set at.

And we've seen so far they have been underdogs and they were nearly 10 point dogs last week and smashed the #1 seed in the NFC on the road by 14 points. Vegas was off by 24 points. That is huge.
 

JujuFish

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Washington is undefeated against the Eagles in the playoffs. Granted, they've only played each other once before, but undefeated is undefeated.
 
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purbeast0

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Washington is undefeated against the Eagles in the playoffs. Granted, they've only played each other once before, but undefeated is undefeated.
There is A LOT going on this year with Washington that isn't the norm for this team OR the NFL in general.
 

manly

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It's more of a coin flip because it's a divisional rival. They've played 2 times this year and split. Teams very rarely play a 3rd time. Home field doesn't mean nearly as much in divisional games either. Just listen to all the talking heads they are basically split right down the middle too. There are multiple/equal amounts of reasons that each team has where they can realistically win the game.

There is just a lot more to the outcome than what Vegas has the lines set at.

And we've seen so far they have been underdogs and they were nearly 10 point dogs last week and smashed the #1 seed in the NFC on the road by 14 points. Vegas was off by 24 points. That is huge.
It's not a coin flip, even if a lot of talking heads are thinking that way. "Past performance is not indicative of future results."

We know either team can win; that's just the nature of sports, NFL games in particular. How probability works is if they were able to play this game 100 times, the Eagles would win a solid majority of the time. Whether that's actually 72%ish (implied by the ML) is and debatable.

Obviously Vegas doesn't and can't predict the future. It's just what bookmakers believe is a likely outcome, and a way for people to gamble. I actually don't believe or participate in sports betting but if I thought this was a coin flip, then I'd be compelled to load up a large bet on the Commanders.
 

akugami

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Unless you're called Santa Clause!

True story. The "Santa Claus" was a drunk fan named Frank Olivo, that they pulled out of the stands, because the real half time show couldn't make it to the stadium. Even Olivo himself said he would have booed himself. IMHO, it's an overblown story of Philadelphia fans pelting Santa with snowballs.
 
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akugami

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It's more of a coin flip because it's a divisional rival. They've played 2 times this year and split. Teams very rarely play a 3rd time. Home field doesn't mean nearly as much in divisional games either. Just listen to all the talking heads they are basically split right down the middle too. There are multiple/equal amounts of reasons that each team has where they can realistically win the game.

There is just a lot more to the outcome than what Vegas has the lines set at.

And we've seen so far they have been underdogs and they were nearly 10 point dogs last week and smashed the #1 seed in the NFC on the road by 14 points. Vegas was off by 24 points. That is huge.

I'd argue it's not a coinflip, though I do think the line should be closer than Eagles -6.5, because even with our backup QB in, Washington barely won. I'd say the line should be more accurately set as Eagles -3.5.

The Eagles are a running team. They will pound you with the running game until your defense tires out in the 3rd and 4th quarter. That's the team this year. And a large part is predicated on Jalen Hurts running the ball on top of Saquan Barkley. And the Eagles defense is good enough to keep things close until the opposing team's defense tires and is gashed by big running plays. It's no secret what the Eagles are going to do. The problem for most teams is it's just hard to stop.

In the first game, it was a close game until the Eagles eventually pounded them into submission in the 4th quarter. I'd call it a solid win. I do understand that Daniels was a bit hurt, but the Eagles stuck to their formula and won handily in the end.

In the second game, Jalen Hurts got injured very early in the game. The Eagles had a very good chance to win it with our backup QB, and transforming from a primarily running team to one that had to pass more. Even then, it took a heroic effort by Daniels to win. Uncharacteristically, our defense gave up some plays on the last drive to allow Washington to win. And I'd argue that had Hurts not been injured, the Eagles likely could have kept the Commanders from having as many scoring chances, much like in the first game by running the ball and eating clock until Washington's defense collapses.

Washington was good, but also lucky, in their win over Detroit. I'm not saying it wasn't a quality win, but let's not pretend Washington was scoring points on a vaunted Lions defense. The injuries finally caught up to them. The lions had a defense made up of backups to the backups. The Lions defense finally collapsed. Kudos to Washington's defense though, because that was a very good performance against Goff and the Lions offense. The one knock on the win would be that even as good as the Washington defense played, the Lions still scored a lot of points.
 

purbeast0

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I'd argue it's not a coinflip, though I do think the line should be closer than Eagles -6.5, because even with our backup QB in, Washington barely won. I'd say the line should be more accurately set as Eagles -3.5.

The Eagles are a running team. They will pound you with the running game until your defense tires out in the 3rd and 4th quarter. That's the team this year. And a large part is predicated on Jalen Hurts running the ball on top of Saquan Barkley. And the Eagles defense is good enough to keep things close until the opposing team's defense tires and is gashed by big running plays. It's no secret what the Eagles are going to do. The problem for most teams is it's just hard to stop.

In the first game, it was a close game until the Eagles eventually pounded them into submission in the 4th quarter. I'd call it a solid win. I do understand that Daniels was a bit hurt, but the Eagles stuck to their formula and won handily in the end.

In the second game, Jalen Hurts got injured very early in the game. The Eagles had a very good chance to win it with our backup QB, and transforming from a primarily running team to one that had to pass more. Even then, it took a heroic effort by Daniels to win. Uncharacteristically, our defense gave up some plays on the last drive to allow Washington to win. And I'd argue that had Hurts not been injured, the Eagles likely could have kept the Commanders from having as many scoring chances, much like in the first game by running the ball and eating clock until Washington's defense collapses.

Washington was good, but also lucky, in their win over Detroit. I'm not saying it wasn't a quality win, but let's not pretend Washington was scoring points on a vaunted Lions defense. The injuries finally caught up to them. The lions had a defense made up of backups to the backups. The Lions defense finally collapsed. Kudos to Washington's defense though, because that was a very good performance against Goff and the Lions offense. The one knock on the win would be that even as good as the Washington defense played, the Lions still scored a lot of points.
It's funny that the "band up Lion's defense" was not a problem for them when they went 15-2 in the regular season, but they get smashed by Washington and now it is all of a sudden it's a problem. You are not even close to the only person I've seen say that, it's a recurring theme that is just being used for copium.

In the 2nd Eagles game, last I checked, Jalen Hurts wasn't playing defense. He wouldn't have been playing and giving up 5 TD's even if he was in. No QB had thrown more than 2 TD's against the Eagles until that game. JD5 threw 5. You also have to remember that the Eagles have 5 takeaways and still couldn't win. I'd say that is solid defense on the Commanders to allow that. Even though Hurts was not in there, Barkley was still playing.

I also didn't see the Eagles complaining about a backup being in there when Foles won them the Super Bowl.

Playing the if game in football is just stupid. So many games you can boil down to "if X then Y". If the Rams punt returner didn't drop that punt last week and let it bounce like 15 yards, the Rams would have probably came back and the Eagles would have blown a 14 point lead with like 5 minutes left. But you know what? It didn't happen so who cares.

Just so much copium, but you do also speak some truths. The Eagles are going to try and pound the ball and that is what they should do, especially with Payne out tomorrow for the Commanders. I'd argue that the game basically boils down to how Barkley plays. If he gets 2-3 homerun runs, then it's going to basically have to be a shootout for the Commanders to win. If they can contain him, then they have a shot. We also don't really know what Hurts health is and we won't until the game gets going tomorrow.

The first game was also pretty damn close until he got into those homerun runs again late in the game. And yah, JD5 was not himself that game for sure.

Jon Allen was also out for both of the Eagles games and he's been playing pretty well the past 2 games, but again with Payne out we'll see how it plays out.

If the Eagles play like they did last week, the Commanders have a great shot at winning. Yes I know the weather was bad but just overall they looked very off aside from Barkley being himself. I think the Eagles will have to score at least 30 to win this game if the Commanders can continue playing at the same pace they have been. It's also going to have to be as mistake free football as can be, which they have been doing a decent job at in the playoffs.

If the Eagles win, I'm blaming the Giants though. They are so stupid for letting Barkley go lol.

EDIT:

And win or lose for the Commanders, I am going to be happy about their successful season and will feel just the same about this team no matter the outcome. The future is bright for them and that hasn't been the case in 3 decades.

EDIT 2:

Also, the Commanders run defense is like ranked 31st or something like that. The team defense is like 18. Lions have Gibbs and Montgomery. And Goff. I'm not surprised they moved the ball and scored a lot, just like I won't be surprised if Barkley goes off on them. They are going to have to score points if they want to win.
 
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Torn Mind

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Moving from Siranni to Kellen Moore means the offense of the Eagles will still have their stale moments, especially when Hurts might still be operating under an concussion.

Washington is rightfully an underdog if the Eagles' talent machine operates smoothly. But the Eagles seem to lack that strategic killer edge to make them an undebatable winning pick. .
 

akugami

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I always thought the Lions defense was playing above and beyond with backups. It finally caught up to them. Again, I take nothing away from Jayden Daniels. I think he'll be a monster player for years to come, but it's not like he played against some amazing Lions defense.

As for Jalen Hurts, he does not play defense, but you cannot discount the fact that running the ball eats up more clock. This prevents Daniels, who I view as the better passer than Jalen Hurts, from getting his hands on the ball. Playing keepaway is a form of defense. One less possession by Daniels could have easily decided the game in favor of the Eagles.

Nick Foles had a magical ride. Everyone was happy, but that's all it was. A magical ride. Foles has had limited success everywhere he's gone. He's a borderline starter with some amazing games.

I am not a Jalen Hurts fan, though I wish him success because I obviously root for the Eagles. I do think the Eagles GM Howie Roseman has done a masterful job of constructing an offense that fits what Jalen Hurts can do. And as constructed, the Eagles are a legit Superbowl contender. If the Eagles do win this game, and win it all, it would indeed be because Giants were stupid and let Barkley go in free agency.

At the end of the day, I think the Eagles win, but it's not a pleasure cruise. The Eagles will have to sweat this one out a bit, but come out on top.
 

zinfamous

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True story. The "Santa Claus" was a drunk fan named Frank Olivo, that they pulled out of the stands, because the real half time show couldn't make it to the stadium. Even Olivo himself said he would have booed himself. IMHO, it's an overblown story of Philadelphia fans pelting Santa with snowballs.

that is pretty awesome. At least the Mets fans do it right like when they threw batteries at that fucking prick Nazi John Rocker.
 

purbeast0

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I always thought the Lions defense was playing above and beyond with backups. It finally caught up to them. Again, I take nothing away from Jayden Daniels. I think he'll be a monster player for years to come, but it's not like he played against some amazing Lions defense.

As for Jalen Hurts, he does not play defense, but you cannot discount the fact that running the ball eats up more clock. This prevents Daniels, who I view as the better passer than Jalen Hurts, from getting his hands on the ball. Playing keepaway is a form of defense. One less possession by Daniels could have easily decided the game in favor of the Eagles.

Nick Foles had a magical ride. Everyone was happy, but that's all it was. A magical ride. Foles has had limited success everywhere he's gone. He's a borderline starter with some amazing games.

I am not a Jalen Hurts fan, though I wish him success because I obviously root for the Eagles. I do think the Eagles GM Howie Roseman has done a masterful job of constructing an offense that fits what Jalen Hurts can do. And as constructed, the Eagles are a legit Superbowl contender. If the Eagles do win this game, and win it all, it would indeed be because Giants were stupid and let Barkley go in free agency.

At the end of the day, I think the Eagles win, but it's not a pleasure cruise. The Eagles will have to sweat this one out a bit, but come out on top.
In regards to the bolded, he did carve up the amazing Eagles defense last time they played though. That same Lions defense had also held the 14-3 Vikings to under 10 points the last time they played a game too. Why weren't people talking about how bang up the Lion's defense was after that? So it's not like he has only scored points against some talentless defense.

And in the 2nd game, they still had Barkley to run the ball and eat the clock up, it's not like Hurts is their only run weapon. He's the alternative one.

Look I get that the game would have gone differently if Hurts was in there, but people talk like it is 100% guaranteed the Eagles would have won if he didn't get hurt which is just BS because no one knows. He was also taken out because the Commanders defense put his ass out. They are playing aggressive and hitting people hard. It's just part of the game.

On paper I know the Eagles are more talented and aside from QB, basically have better players at every position. And QB is the most important position in the game and right now, the Commanders have the QB who is playing better. An argument could also be made that Terry is playing better than Brown, but I'm not even going to go there. Their play is also reflected big time by the guy throwing them the ball.

I get why the line/odds are where they are though and a lot of it is because the roster is simply more talented on paper and a bunch of analytics/stats. But in a game between division rivals where the better QB is on the under dogs team for the 3rd time in a season where they split the first 2 games, and they are running momentum (which I believe is real in sports) and playing as probably the most cohesive team way I've ever witnessed on this team, that is why I am saying it feels like it is basically a coin flip in my eyes. Pretty much any outcome of this game wouldn't surprise me. Even a blowout either way wouldn't really surprise me because I know what both teams are capable of on any given Sunday.
 

akugami

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I think it can be a benefit to the Eagles that they do not have today's prototypical QB who is expected to be an amazing passer. The Eagles' game is predicated on the running game, while most defenses are built to stop the pass. This advantage must be paired with a stout defense, which luckily the Eagles have.

I do believe Washington got the QB position right. I like what I've seen from Daniels. I would not be surprised to see Daniels win a SB. But I also feel that Washington is a few players away from being a truely dominant team. I think their biggest needs going forward is a true number one wideout, and shoring up the run defense.

At the end of the day, as currently constructed, I think the Eagles are the better overall team. That's why I'm picking them to win.
 

purbeast0

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I think it can be a benefit to the Eagles that they do not have today's prototypical QB who is expected to be an amazing passer. The Eagles' game is predicated on the running game, while most defenses are built to stop the pass. This advantage must be paired with a stout defense, which luckily the Eagles have.

I do believe Washington got the QB position right. I like what I've seen from Daniels. I would not be surprised to see Daniels win a SB. But I also feel that Washington is a few players away from being a truely dominant team. I think their biggest needs going forward is a true number one wideout, and shoring up the run defense.

At the end of the day, as currently constructed, I think the Eagles are the better overall team. That's why I'm picking them to win.
I would agree with you that they are the better overall team as well. I think they are the overall best team left in the dance and that's also why they are the favorite to win it all.
 

manly

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The Eagles are almost certainly not the best team left standing. IF they win today, they will be a small underdog in the SB. About +1.5 in my estimation.

Not to get ahead of ourselves, but anyone remind me the last time a run-first offense won the Super Bowl?
 

akugami

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The Eagles are almost certainly not the best team left standing. IF they win today, they will be a small underdog in the SB. About +1.5 in my estimation.

Not to get ahead of ourselves, but anyone remind me the last time a run-first offense won the Super Bowl?

I have no idea when the last run heavy offense won the SB, but I do think the Eagles have a legitimate chance to win.

I think it's pointless to spend too much time arguing which is the best remaining team, because at this point, it's all about who came to play that day and who plays a mistake free game. Any time you get to the final four teams, it's somewhat of a crap shoot. Anyone can win it.

That said, only Washington has long odds to win. The other three teams are so close that it's a wash in terms of who the books think is the favored. Fanduel SB odds listed below.

PHI +180
KC +210
BUF +250
WAS +850

Go Birds!
 
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