NFL Divisional Playoffs, Jan 16-17

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Miramonti

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I was keeping an eye on the qb's this weekend and one thing I noticed about Sanchez, Rivers, and Romo...they all suck.

Neither are good at faking, looking off receivers, or going to 2nd or 3rd options, especially in crunch time. They look to their #1 guy and that's it...it works or it doesn't, and there is little if any analysis in the middle of a play when needed. That also makes it easier for defenses to bet on where they are going.

They can each throw the ball tho and will make their share of completions based on qb/receiver talent and play calling etc., but neither have a very high level of clutch ability, and I believe that's probably part of the reason why.

Manning and Favre are the exact opposite (I didn't pay attention to Brees.) They work deception as part of their approach (Manning the best), and that also helps them get to the 2nd or 3rd option more effectively when needed. Often its useless window dressing, but often it probably makes a difference...and that can be just the separation they need to make a completion or recover a broken play.
 

Arkaign

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I was keeping an eye on the qb's this weekend and one thing I noticed about Sanchez, Rivers, and Romo...they all suck.

Neither are good at faking, looking off receivers, or going to 2nd or 3rd options, especially in crunch time. They look to their #1 guy and that's it...it works or it doesn't, and there is little if any analysis in the middle of a play when needed. That also makes it easier for defenses to bet on where they are going.

They can each throw the ball tho and will make their share of completions based on qb/receiver talent and play calling etc., but neither have a very high level of clutch ability, and I believe that's probably part of the reason why.

Manning and Favre are the exact opposite (I didn't pay attention to Brees.) They work deception as part of their approach (Manning the best), and that also helps them get to the 2nd or 3rd option more effectively when needed. Often its useless window dressing, but often it probably makes a difference...and that can be just the separation they need to make a completion or recover a broken play.

I don't know about Sanchez or Rivers, but yeah Romo is terrible. He is only as good as his offensive line holding perfect. If he gets *ANY* pressure, he either throws it away, or throws an INT. That's just unacceptable in the NFL.

Aikman was similar in a way, with a couple of MAJOR differences though. Aikman wasn't great out of the pocket in the way that Elway or Montana (two of the best ever IMHO) were, but Aikman had a better arm, and an almost unbreakable calm. The guy just didn't throw it if it wasn't there, and if the right place was 40 yards downfield between the numbers, that's where it went. Of course, if the line didn't hold, that wasn't gonna happen very often, but protect him and he's a fantastic QB, fluster him and he won't throw an easy INT.

Romo could be decent, if he took some Zen courses or something to keep his head from getting clouded. It's easy for me to criticize, me not having to deal with 280lb linebackers sprinting with blood fury with alarming frequency, but he's in the NFL, he's supposed to be one of the best QB's on earth. He could also get some better footwork/mobility.
 

Arkaign

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Damn right ! You didn't notice ?

They lost to the Jets! yeah - the Jets.

Choke Chargers - maybe they could step up in coaching and get Zorn.

Heh, they could pull the coup of the century and get Jimmy Johnson out of retirement. He can coach the shit out of anything.
 

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Manning and Favre are the exact opposite (I didn't pay attention to Brees.) They work deception as part of their approach (Manning the best), and that also helps them get to the 2nd or 3rd option more effectively when needed. Often its useless window dressing, but often it probably makes a difference...and that can be just the separation they need to make a completion or recover a broken play.

Brees is just as good if not better at doing checkdowns and getting the ball to somebody. Plus he probably has the best accuracy of any QB in the league. Manning has some of the best footwork and timing of any to ever play. Favre is the master of rolling right and passing left over the middle and still has a cannon of an arm. Brees just seems to have an extra couple set of eyes on him to scour the field for the open guy with the ability to drop it into just about any spot.
 

Miramonti

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I don't know about Sanchez or Rivers, but yeah Romo is terrible. He is only as good as his offensive line holding perfect. If he gets *ANY* pressure, he either throws it away, or throws an INT. That's just unacceptable in the NFL.

Aikman was similar in a way, with a couple of MAJOR differences though. Aikman wasn't great out of the pocket in the way that Elway or Montana (two of the best ever IMHO) were, but Aikman had a better arm, and an almost unbreakable calm. The guy just didn't throw it if it wasn't there, and if the right place was 40 yards downfield between the numbers, that's where it went. Of course, if the line didn't hold, that wasn't gonna happen very often, but protect him and he's a fantastic QB, fluster him and he won't throw an easy INT.

Romo could be decent, if he took some Zen courses or something to keep his head from getting clouded. It's easy for me to criticize, me not having to deal with 280lb linebackers sprinting with blood fury with alarming frequency, but he's in the NFL, he's supposed to be one of the best QB's on earth. He could also get some better footwork/mobility.

If Romo would understand the need to get an edge any way he can, ie faking, looking off, spreading the wealth, etc., he'd make it a helluva lot easier imo. Being calm is critical but they have to be smart too. Its tough when the qb is chased right after the snap, but it's more complicated than that.

If a qb is predictable, the opponent can stack the defense one way or another while at the same time send more people to pressure the qb. When a qb doesn't try to hide his cards while spreading the wealth in who he looks for during a game, he becomes more predictable and weakens his chance for success.

Getting sacked then becomes much more than just a product of an apparent weak offensive line.

Aikman and Montana were smart qb's and their demeanor let them use their talent and intelligence under pressure. I'd be inclined to think Romo and Rivers are just morons with a lot of talent.

Sanchez on the other hand is a rookie and at this point in his career deserves credit for simply being a starter and leading his team to a playoff win imo, but he's naturally needs to keep growing.
 

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I really didn't care If Farve played here in Mn or not . Until that first game when he ran 25 yards down field and layed one of the best defensive men in the league out . I couldn't believe it . I said Dam this guy loves the game , Its all about the Game . Thats when I said Man we need this Guy . I really don't care if they go the distance , Farve gave me the Best Football intertainment I have ever watched this year . So thank you mister Farve. The People and coaches in Greenbay are just stupid letting someone like this get away . A player who just plain loves to play the game . Thats what its about . So thank you again Mr. Farve for bring that good old time feeling back to MN
 

Arkaign

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If Romo would understand the need to get an edge any way he can, ie faking, looking off, spreading the wealth, etc., he'd make it a helluva lot easier imo. Being calm is critical but they have to be smart too. Its tough when the qb is chased right after the snap, but it's more complicated than that.

If a qb is predictable, the opponent can stack the defense one way or another while at the same time send more people to pressure the qb. When a qb doesn't try to hide his cards while spreading the wealth in who he looks for during a game, he becomes more predictable and weakens his chance for success.

Getting sacked then becomes much more than just a product of an apparent weak offensive line.

Aikman and Montana were smart qb's and their demeanor let them use their talent and intelligence under pressure. I'd be inclined to think Romo and Rivers are just morons with a lot of talent.

Sanchez on the other hand is a rookie and at this point in his career deserves credit for simply being a starter and leading his team to a playoff win imo, but he's naturally needs to keep growing.

I like that assessment.

I think Romo needs to go. He has shown that if things are going perfectly, he can be a good QB, but outside of that he's terrible. He's utterly useless if things go wrong, no adaptability, he gets wonky and starts throwing INTs, misses open receivers, etc. It's pretty unlikely that a line could be built that was as dominant as in '92-'96, and I think that's the only way he'd ever stand a chance is to have that kind of near-total protection.

We need someone like a Manning, Aikman, Elway, Favre, that kind of caliber, or Dallas is just going to keep going exactly like this, barely getting to the playoffs and then either losing immediately or right after.
 

surfsatwerk

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I like that assessment.

I think Romo needs to go. He has shown that if things are going perfectly, he can be a good QB, but outside of that he's terrible. He's utterly useless if things go wrong, no adaptability, he gets wonky and starts throwing INTs, misses open receivers, etc. It's pretty unlikely that a line could be built that was as dominant as in '92-'96, and I think that's the only way he'd ever stand a chance is to have that kind of near-total protection.

We need someone like a Manning, Aikman, Elway, Favre, that kind of caliber, or Dallas is just going to keep going exactly like this, barely getting to the playoffs and then either losing immediately or right after.

In my humble opinion Romo is the last person that deserves blame for the team's performance. The dude got raped up and down the field. God damn Joe Montana cyborg clone could not have saved the Cowboys.
 

Arkaign

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In my humble opinion Romo is the last person that deserves blame for the team's performance. The dude got raped up and down the field. God damn Joe Montana cyborg clone could not have saved the Cowboys.

You haven't seen a QB that can run and throw before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scp_9ZJX1z0

Elway never really had a great team around him in the old days either. Flush him out of the pocket and he'll rush for the 1st down, or throw a running completion across the field.

Even McNabb is better at mobility, or at least he was, he's getting pretty old now. I'd still take McNabb over Romo 10 days a week though.
 

surfsatwerk

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You haven't seen a QB that can run and throw before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scp_9ZJX1z0

Elway never really had a great team around him in the old days either. Flush him out of the pocket and he'll rush for the 1st down, or throw a running completion across the field.

Even McNabb is better at mobility, or at least he was, he's getting pretty old now. I'd still take McNabb over Romo 10 days a week though.

I hear what you're saying. The way I saw the game unfold he didn't have many opportunities to successfully scramble. The Vikings had guys all over the place in the backfield.
 

Arkaign

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I hear what you're saying. The way I saw the game unfold he didn't have many opportunities to successfully scramble. The Vikings had guys all over the place in the backfield.

Yeah it was certainly a difficult position for any QB to be in, and I think Romo is a nice guy (and far more skilled at QB'ing than any of us will ever be).

It's just that I don't think he has what it takes :

(1)- Mobility

(2)- Presence of mind to keep cool, he seems incapable of taking a leadership stance and forging a comeback. Instead he throws INTs or incompletions when things aren't going right.

With neither of those values, Cowboys are just gonna be a team that wins the easy ones and gets steamrolled once they get behind a TD or two.
 

surfsatwerk

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I am no fan of the Cowboys, but eventually you want to see the guys put it together and play consistently at the level they're capable of. It would suck big time if you're right about Romo. He's been in the league long enough to know what big games are about.

It's hard to point the finger and know what the hell the Cowboys are doing wrong when they completely broke down on every level. Seriously what in the seven hells happened to the team that played so well at the end of the season. It's hard for me to believe the Eagles are so bad that they made a shitty Cowboys team look like a real contender for the throne.
 

Arkaign

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I am no fan of the Cowboys, but eventually you want to see the guys put it together and play consistently at the level they're capable of. It would suck big time if you're right about Romo. He's been in the league long enough to know what big games are about.

It's hard to point the finger and know what the hell the Cowboys are doing wrong when they completely broke down on every level. Seriously what in the seven hells happened to the team that played so well at the end of the season. It's hard for me to believe the Eagles are so bad that they made a shitty Cowboys team look like a real contender for the throne.

Well the Eagles were a decent team, but they had a crapload of injuries, and McNabb is also not a spring chicken anymore. Add the home field advantage and a high level of energy, and I think it added up to what it was, leading the Cowboys to get really overconfident going into Minnesota. And as I said, get Romo behind a TD or two, and he folds up.

I think on any given Sunday, the Cowboys could definitely beat the Vikings, but with Romo it would take an early lead and an especially strong showing from the defense. Favre can easily mount comebacks, but Romo, not a chance.
 

spacejamz

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I was getting pretty tired of hearing about how the Cowboys drove down the field so easily on their first two drives of the game (even though they come up empty handed)...

Do teams normally show their 'best' stuff at the beginning of the game? or do they 'hold' back to a degree to see what the other team does (who might also be holding back)? or do you go full all out from the 1st snap? it this strategy any different for a playoff vs a non-playoff game?

I heard alot of the 'the Cowboys should have moved the ball like they did the first two drives'...would that have really made a difference?
 

Miramonti

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I was getting pretty tired of hearing about how the Cowboys drove down the field so easily on their first two drives of the game (even though they come up empty handed)...

Do teams normally show their 'best' stuff at the beginning of the game? or do they 'hold' back to a degree to see what the other team does (who might also be holding back)? or do you go full all out from the 1st snap? it this strategy any different for a playoff vs a non-playoff game?

I heard alot of the 'the Cowboys should have moved the ball like they did the first two drives'...would that have really made a difference?

Teams come in with a preset game plan and work from what's successful and what isn't, and assess from the booth every play where there might be opportunities or lapses. There's a lot of cat and mouse as the game goes on.

You can bet if a team is slicing thru your defense like butter, there will definitely be defensive adjustments, such as assignment changes, mixing up/disguising coverages better, etc., and the team that makes adjustments to fix their ineffectiveness' and exploits the other team's lapses has an edge.
 
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zinfamous

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Romo didn't lose that game, at all.

Rivers didn't lose that game, at all.


.....fucking kickers lost those games.

I'm not going to expound a treatise about this right now, because everyone knows this.
 

zinfamous

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I was getting pretty tired of hearing about how the Cowboys drove down the field so easily on their first two drives of the game (even though they come up empty handed)...

Do teams normally show their 'best' stuff at the beginning of the game? or do they 'hold' back to a degree to see what the other team does (who might also be holding back)? or do you go full all out from the 1st snap? it this strategy any different for a playoff vs a non-playoff game?

I heard alot of the 'the Cowboys should have moved the ball like they did the first two drives'...would that have really made a difference?

the problem is that they moved very effectively on those early drives, and knew that they could get 3 points, at minimum, which they should have.

these garaunteed points did not occur on those drives due to the botched field goals, and drastically changed the game plan. Yes, the offense could have stepped up more and "demanded" that they play for the endzone...but that's very tough when you're playing against that Minnesota defense. A field goal, at the very least, is a nice "Fuck you, I still scored" type of message that the Cowboys planned to have in their pockets throughout the game.

The Vikings played a hell of a defensive game, to be sure, but you could tell that offense was shaken after those misses. It really, truly changed their entire scheme.

Dallas went through a season of lackluster kicking, and their current streak (probably the hottest in the NFL) had a lot to do with a replacement at kicking, which was very successful.

That didn't happen yesterday, and doomed them

believe me, I fucking hate the Cowboys, and I would be the last to give them excuses...but they certainly didn't deserve to lose that game the way that they lost it.

Those field goals, as the final score stands, wouldn't have given them enough to win, but they would have changed the game as ti progresses...in a BS Ray Bradbury sort of way, sure, but they would have had a serious impact, I think.


That being said, SD would have won on 2/3 of those missed field goals. the 57 yarder is a miss that you tend to expect...but the other 2? WT??? SD laid a turd after that.
 
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fustercluck

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Romo didn't lose that game, at all.

Rivers didn't lose that game, at all.


.....fucking kickers lost those games.

I'm not going to expound a treatise about this right now, because everyone knows this.

Really? Kickers lost the game 3-34?

Also Rivers had a bad day. Losing was a team effort for both Dallas and San Diego, QBs and kickers included. Would give Romo some sympathy since his O line was bad, though.
 
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