NFL Draft

[leftyman]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: leftyman

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: leftyman
Bills fan here...We need about 4 first round picks

Amen, I need some reasons to use the half season of tickets I have.

I think from reading the Buffalo News that the prospects the Bills have picked out would be good additions, as long as Denver doesn't spoil them.

All the national sports analysts think that dropping McGahee was the worst move possible. Personally I think that overrated tool had to go.

I agree, Spikes wanted out, Fletcher-Baker- add-a-name was washed up and Nate hit the lottery they all had to go, but that leaves a lot of holes

Definitely. All of the players let go were going out the door at the right time.
The team is in rebuilding mode and will be for a few seasons. Who knows what some of these young guys can do though. I think these guys will produce another winning season. Not sure if playoffs are in their future for another year or three, but you never know.

The blackouts in the second half of the season really pissed me off last year. I only attended two of thoes games and thought they were definitely TV worthy. The blackout rule is a counterproductive catch-22 for a small market team like the bills. Good thing the collective barganing agreement went through.

With the Sabres having a franchise season, I don't think the Bills are going to get much attention.

I dont think we are too far away actually..I like Losman, the losses on the D arent as bad as everyone makes them out to be..But we need a quality halfback.
The biggest obstacles to the playoffs are the Patsie and Jets and I have my doubts about the Pennington lasting the season..

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: Modeps
I cant believe that people get so hyped about draft day. Any new meat is going to take a couple years to age properly... and if you watch the draft, you're wasting your time.

took vince young a couple of games

Exactly. Many/most 1st rounders end up playing their 1st year (many 2nd rounders too) and end up being contributing members to their team very quickly.

Ya, the obvious exception from this is the QB spot. Rookie QBs tyically don't start or don't do well right away, but that's understandable. Most rookies in the top of the draft at other positions can come right in and be very good. Reggie Bush, Merriman, Demarcus Ware just to name a few. You can always end up with a Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith though too.

Well Roethlisberger and Vince Young are two as well as Jay Cutler.

They're all starting QBs for their respective teams. Including Matt Leinart.

Prior to the last few years of the draft, it was almost unheard of to have rookie QBs starting in their rookie year.

 

[SampSon]

I dont think we are too far away actually..I like Losman, the losses on the D arent as bad as everyone makes them out to be..But we need a quality halfback.
The biggest obstacles to the playoffs are the Patsie and Jets and I have my doubts about the Pennington lasting the season..

Bills coaches/coordinators can make a worthy D out of any players they have. Nate is a loss, but we have some young guys to replace him and Spikes simply hasn't played enough to make any sort of major difference.
Losman is coming along well but won't do much unless they get an O-line that is better than a wet paper towel, which they have this off season.

I give them this season to work it and gel the team, then next year I think they will be a surprise contender.

 

[leftyman]

Originally posted by: SampSon

I dont think we are too far away actually..I like Losman, the losses on the D arent as bad as everyone makes them out to be..But we need a quality halfback.
The biggest obstacles to the playoffs are the Patsie and Jets and I have my doubts about the Pennington lasting the season..

Bills coaches/coordinators can make a worthy D out of any players they have. Nate is a loss, but we have some young guys to replace him and Spikes simply hasn't played enough to make any sort of major difference.
Losman is coming along well but won't do much unless they get an O-line that is better than a wet paper towel, which they have this off season.

I give them this season to work it and gel the team, then next year I think they will be a surprise contender.

I like the moves they made on the O-line so I think you will see some big steps in Losmans development..we could use a real #2 reciever though, I always liked Price but I think he is used up..our schedule is pretty brutal too

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: Modeps
I cant believe that people get so hyped about draft day. Any new meat is going to take a couple years to age properly... and if you watch the draft, you're wasting your time.

I'm guessing you don't follow the NFL much. Vince Young, Ben Roethlisberger, to name a few. They all have had success within a year of being starters. Vince Young took a few months like someone already mentioned. More and more these days, the rookies are coming in prepared to start with the skillset and the mature attitude needed to play in the NFL.

EDIT: Joseph Addai of the 2006 Super Bowl champs, Indy Colts - Rookie, first year, eventually joined starting lineup towards the end of the season and made a significant impact on the way the team played. He will be the sole starting RB this coming season since what is his name has gone and left the team.

Fellow Colts fan? Or just a football fan?

Yes, Joe Addai basically carried a starter's load during the regular season, despite Dominic Rhodes getting the label of "starter" for all 16 regular season games. I think Addai should have gotten a lot more consideration for rookie of the year than he did. He did a hell of a lot more than Reggie Bush did. Almost twice as many rushing yards, more rushing touchdowns, same number of total TDs, and on a team with Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark, still managed to pull in 360+ yards receiving. He had a great rookie season, and I think he'll gain 1300-1400 yards this season.

I'm stoked for the draft, though I won't sit down and watch it. I'll just watch the first 10, keep an ear to the radio, check online occasionally, and tune back in whenever the Colts are ready to pick.

The Pats piss me off. It took a Manning miracle to get into the SB, in a year that should've been something of a rebuilding season for NE. Two first round picks? Enough cap room for Adalius Thomas AND two new solid WRs? How does this crap just fall into place for Belicheck?

 

[Mo0o]

Raiders need to take Russell. Calvin Johnson will be ineffective without a atleast semi decent QB

 

[SmoochyTX]

Excited about tomorrow even though the Texans only have 2 picks in the first 3 rounds. Hell, I'm just ready for anything NFL to start up.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: TheNinja
This is where all teams can gain hope for the future. I personally think the Raiders should get Calvin Johnson with the #1 pick and then get a QB in the 2nd round. Russel is not quite NFL ready (especially with that Raiders Offense) and I just don't think they'll take Quinn (it's an image thing). Johnson is a great guy on and off the field and is a true can't miss prospect. There will be very good QB's left in the 2nd as well.

"Russell is not quite NFL ready".

What QB really is out of college? Let's be honest, does he have huge upside for the future? Are they drafting for the future, or do they expect to win the SB next season? Ultimately, they have two outstanding WR on their team, but who the hell can throw to them? Atleast Russell has a cannon of an arm and can move around the pocket. With the flick of the wrist, he can throw downfield to their WR corp.

 

[Slew Foot]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2851912

Darrell Jackson to the Niners for a 4th round pick. Finally, a decent WR for Alex Smith to throw to.

 

[Matt2]

The NFL draft is so freakin overrated. 90% of first round draft picks turn out to be busts and the players that turn out to be great are usually after thoughts for most teams.

The Raiders should NOT get Calvin Johnson with their pick. They dont need a receiver. They need a quarterback. Then again, they also need something that resembles an offensive line or the QB they draft is going to get killed.

I think Matt Leinart could have been the most NFL ready quarterback to come out of college in a long time. Think about how good he would have been last year if the Cardinals could offer him any kind of protection. His credit cards probably offer him better protection than his offensive line.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Matt2
The NFL draft is so freakin overrated. 90% of first round draft picks turn out to be busts and the players that turn out to be great are usually after thoughts for most teams.

The Raiders should NOT get Calvin Johnson with their pick. They dont need a receiver. They need a quarterback. Then again, they also need something that resembles an offensive line or the QB they draft is going to get killed.

I think Matt Leinart could have been the most NFL ready quarterback to come out of college in a long time. Think about how good he would have been last year if the Cardinals could offer him any kind of protection. His credit cards probably offer him better protection than his offensive line.

Jay Cutler > Matt Leinart. Sorry to burst your bubble!

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2851912

Darrell Jackson to the Niners for a 4th round pick. Finally, a decent WR for Alex Smith to throw to.

Wow.

IMO, this means they are more likely to move up in the draft. Wouldn't be surpised to see them move up to #6.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: Modeps
I cant believe that people get so hyped about draft day. Any new meat is going to take a couple years to age properly... and if you watch the draft, you're wasting your time.

I'm guessing you don't follow the NFL much. Vince Young, Ben Roethlisberger, to name a few. They all have had success within a year of being starters. Vince Young took a few months like someone already mentioned. More and more these days, the rookies are coming in prepared to start with the skillset and the mature attitude needed to play in the NFL.

EDIT: Joseph Addai of the 2006 Super Bowl champs, Indy Colts - Rookie, first year, eventually joined starting lineup towards the end of the season and made a significant impact on the way the team played. He will be the sole starting RB this coming season since what is his name has gone and left the team.

Fellow Colts fan? Or just a football fan?

Yes, Joe Addai basically carried a starter's load during the regular season, despite Dominic Rhodes getting the label of "starter" for all 16 regular season games. I think Addai should have gotten a lot more consideration for rookie of the year than he did. He did a hell of a lot more than Reggie Bush did. Almost twice as many rushing yards, more rushing touchdowns, same number of total TDs, and on a team with Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark, still managed to pull in 360+ yards receiving. He had a great rookie season, and I think he'll gain 1300-1400 yards this season.

I'm stoked for the draft, though I won't sit down and watch it. I'll just watch the first 10, keep an ear to the radio, check online occasionally, and tune back in whenever the Colts are ready to pick.

The Pats piss me off. It took a Manning miracle to get into the SB, in a year that should've been something of a rebuilding season for NE. Two first round picks? Enough cap room for Adalius Thomas AND two new solid WRs? How does this crap just fall into place for Belicheck?

I don't think it just falls in place for them. Scott Pioli is a great GM and Belichek is a great coach (no, I'm not a NE fan).

Look at how many overpaid old guys and free agents there are on the Pats. Like, zero(?). They traded Branch for a first rounder, hardballed Troy Brown and kept him, let Corey Dillon go at the right time (imo), they find ways to plug in scrubs who can still get the job done... it's not luck, give 'em their props even if you hate 'em.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Matt2
The NFL draft is so freakin overrated. 90% of first round draft picks turn out to be busts and the players that turn out to be great are usually after thoughts for most teams.

The Raiders should NOT get Calvin Johnson with their pick. They dont need a receiver. They need a quarterback. Then again, they also need something that resembles an offensive line or the QB they draft is going to get killed.

I think Matt Leinart could have been the most NFL ready quarterback to come out of college in a long time. Think about how good he would have been last year if the Cardinals could offer him any kind of protection. His credit cards probably offer him better protection than his offensive line.

Jay Cutler > Matt Leinart. Sorry to burst your bubble!

Broncos offensive line >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cardinals offensive line

Dont get me wrong, I think Cutler is good, but the team young quarterbacks play on makes all the difference.

Who I dont think is good at all is Vince Young. Terrible pocket passer and makes so many bad decisions. Makes you wonder why scored so low on the NFL IQ test. In fact, the only good decision he makes is to not throw and run.

 

[hpkeeper]

Originally posted by: leftyman
Bills fan here...We need about 4 first round picks

Oh I hear you... when exactly are we suppose to get those picks for Willis McGahee *shakes head*

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

I don't think it just falls in place for them. Scott Pioli is a great GM and Belichek is a great coach (no, I'm not a NE fan).

Look at how many overpaid old guys and free agents there are on the Pats. Like, zero(?). They traded Branch for a first rounder, hardballed Troy Brown and kept him, let Corey Dillon go at the right time (imo), they find ways to plug in scrubs who can still get the job done... it's not luck, give 'em their props even if you hate 'em.

I prefer to think Pioli signed the devil to a long-term contract. "Starting at planet aligner, number 66, Satan!" Beating them 4 times in a row isn't enough: the machine must be destroyed.

And yes, I of course grudgingly respect their team management skills.

 

[Chewy]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2851912

Darrell Jackson to the Niners for a 4th round pick. Finally, a decent WR for Alex Smith to throw to.

Wow.
IMO, this means they are more likely to move up in the draft. Wouldn't be surpised to see them move up to #6.

Why's that? Only reason to move up would be to get CJ, but now that they got DJ, all they have to do is sit back and relax to stock up on D. Let's go Willis!

 

[maddogchen]

can't wait to see who 49ers pick first

 

[imported_bum]

Here we go! Go packers!

 

[UncleWai]

Originally posted by: Chewy

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2851912

Darrell Jackson to the Niners for a 4th round pick. Finally, a decent WR for Alex Smith to throw to.

Wow.
IMO, this means they are more likely to move up in the draft. Wouldn't be surpised to see them move up to #6.

Why's that? Only reason to move up would be to get CJ, but now that they got DJ, all they have to do is sit back and relax to stock up on D. Let's go Willis!

D-Jack is pretty much done. Didn't you see how he play last season? Don't expect much from him.

 

[Slew Foot]

DJ didnt do that badly considering the entire Seahawks team wasnt that great. He had almost 1000 yards splitting time with Branch and Jurevicius(I think), plus Seattle would prefer to run with SA anyway. Kinda surprised they traded him inside the division.

 

[Reckoner]

Yet another receiver for the Lions LOL

 

[Slew Foot]

Apparently they're trying to trade him to the bucs, so I dont think they picked him for themselves.

 

[w3stfa11]

They'll probably end up keeping him, though.

 

[drum]

who did the browns take?