There seems to be some envy and jealousy
And all of the above is irrelevant to the topic
Let's see. NFL players are expected to... not be criminals, show up, wear clothes, play a game, and be millionaires.
Damn, they be so oppressed. It's almost like they are... employees doing something for money. A hell of a lot of money.
And all of the above is irrelevant to the topic
What he said is as stupid as what you said. The fact that you're equally ignorant does not make either of you right, it makes you collectively pathetic.
WE HAVE FREE SPEECH ASSHOLE. Nobody is charging these guys with crimes, hauling them off to a gulag or summarily executing them for their views. They can sit for every anthem played freely, openly and without fear of prosecution. THAT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH. And the owner has freedom too. He has freedom to dictate the terms of employment, he has the freedom to dictate an acceptable standard of behavior from his employees while they are on the clock, wearing his uniform and representing his business. That holds true for EVERY EMPLOYEE whether they're wearing an NFL uniform, a UPS uniform, a McDonalds uniform or a toll collectors uniform. And it holds true for you too even if your head is too far up your ass to realize it. We all live by rules set forth by our employers, that's the condition we FREELY accept in exchange for a paycheck. And anyone who doesn't agree to abide by that universal truth is free to walk out the door and seek employment someplace else without fear of arrest for exercising their free speech.
Please explain exactly which part of that you're too stupid to understand.
What he said is as stupid as what you said. The fact that you're equally ignorant does not make either of you right, it makes you collectively pathetic.
WE HAVE FREE SPEECH ASSHOLE. Nobody is charging these guys with crimes, hauling them off to a gulag or summarily executing them for their views. They can sit for every anthem played freely, openly and without fear of prosecution. THAT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH. And the owner has freedom too. He has freedom to dictate the terms of employment, he has the freedom to dictate an acceptable standard of behavior from his employees while they are on the clock, wearing his uniform and representing his business. That holds true for EVERY EMPLOYEE whether they're wearing an NFL uniform, a UPS uniform, a McDonalds uniform or a toll collectors uniform. And it holds true for you too even if your head is too far up your ass to realize it. We all live by rules set forth by our employers, that's the condition we FREELY accept in exchange for a paycheck. And anyone who doesn't agree to abide by that universal truth is free to walk out the door and seek employment someplace else without fear of arrest for exercising their free speech.
Please explain exactly which part of that you're too stupid to understand.
I'm not sure where your disconnect from intelligence comes from, but if an owner does something that you believe to be against the standards of existence that you hold dear, I bet you would go up there and lick their balls.
It is generally recognized that there are limits on what an employer can require his/her employees can do.
Like EVERY OTHER EMPLOYEE ON EARTH. WTF color is the sky in your delusion world?
Bruh they can quit any time they want. Or simply wait in the locker room. You were the one in the "animals" thread saying that isn’t the hill to die on, this next one seems odd.
What if the employee wants to walk around carrying a noose. Or a white hood. You want to stand here and tell us that employer has no say in the matter? You want to draw a line in the sand, but your bias is rather transparent as we already agree that they cannot and will not allow hateful or political "speech". Employers are free to not accept their employees attacking their customers.
So it's alright for powerful people to rob the freedom of speech from the individual.
Where's Orooroo, the supposed champion of free speech, when you need him?
The NFL and other sports have chosen rather crassly to wrap themselves in the flag and frame their enterprises as somehow inseparable from patriotism. No one required them to make the national anthem a part of the pregame routine. IMHO it is the NFL and its owners that are being disrespectful when trying to use patriotism to increase their wealth.
That's a very stupid correlation. Clear symbols of racist hate vs a respectful gesture that shows respect while at the same time showing discomfort with the status quo. Only in a conservatives world would they be related.
But the bigger issue is the de facto ban of players who protest. That is tied in to the whole culture of "patriotism" and what that means (in real terms, it usually means bombs and destruction of other, "lesser" human beings)
It’s a stupid correlation because it doesn’t fit what you want it to. If it’s done on the employers time they should be able to control their image.
I have often wondered, why does everything in our country involves the flag, the anthem, the pledge of allegiance, the whole nine yards...no other country does this. Why the deep insecurity? What would you think about someone who goes around saying to everyone - I love my spouse. I really do. Seriously, believe me. I really really fucking do. I will write it and sign my name on it. I will stand and sing it, all the time.
What's a cause for justice in America that is bothering you and that you would think it worthy to protest about. What would get you on the streets holding a sign and marching?
I wonder if a good attorney schooled in Constitutional law might have this stopped. The NFL is a private entity, however, it does receive legal protections and benefits via the government. In other situations, this has been used as leverage for civil rights. I'm not a big fan of that in general, but if the NFL wishes to punish people based on their political or religious beliefs of players it might (and might is the word, I don't know for sure) represent an avenue of opportunity for players.
Hopefully legal experts will opine.
The only argument I can think of is that since Trump used his bully pulpit as POTUS to trash the NFL for allowing its players to sit in protest, they as a business decided it was in their best interests to require the players to stand. Accordingly, the government has found a way to silence protest without doing it directly. Instead, it will punish a private business until the business does it for them.
It's quite insidious when you think about it. Still, it sounds like a long shot to me as a legal argument.
It's very very scary shit. From Bleacher Report today:
""Our league," one team official said, "is f--king terrified of Trump. We're scared of him.""
I guess the biggun that would get me on the streets is the outcome of the Mueller investigation and what did Trump know and when.
Second but more imo big picture is our degradation of the environment. I could def fathom myself as some sort of eco protestor. External costs are being borne by the rest of us while carbon is being spewed, over fishing, toxic environments, rise in heat, plastics in the oceans, and on and on. We’re horrible stewards of our home but it’s well air conditioned.
I mean that’s me. Also real off topic.