NFL Quarterbacks

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: thegimp03

Originally posted by: murphy55d
So does Ben Roethlisberger not make any of your lists?

Roethlisraper is overrated. He'll have a decent game then go out next game and throw 3 interceptions. He's not very consistent.

He's been very consistent this season and he has a ring. Name me 5 better QBs in the league right now.

He has 2 rings.

buuuuut, I'll take a stab.

Brees
Favre
Peyton
Rivers
Ryan
and from the looks of it right now....Orton :Q

lol Rivers? Really? You've gotta be from SD.

Ben R through 6 games: 150 Completions/207 attempts (72.5%), 1887 yards, 9.1 average. 10 TDs/6 INT, 104.5 QB Rating

Rivers through 5: 108/183 (59.0), 1519, 8.3, 7/3, 91.8

Ryan through 5: 101/156 (64.7), 1162, 7.4, 9/4, 95.6

Ben has 2 rushing TDs but has also lost 2 fumbles while Rivers and Ryan both have one TD, no fumbles.

Ben has 1.5 turnovers per game but he also averages over 300 yards.

The Steelers are 4-2 without their best defensive player, Falcons are 4-1, Chargers are 2-3.

Orton is playing well and his stats are good right now but no way I say he's a better QB than Ben R at this point.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
OP also forgot Matt Schaub, currently 2nd in passing yards to Ben Roethlisberger and also has the most TD passes.

Through week 6, the only player any reasonable debater could argue as performing as good or better on a week to week basis than Ben Roethlisberger is Peyton Manning, both are on pace for 5000+ yard seasons with 72+% completions (chances look ripe for an NFL passing record to be broken)

Originally posted by: Turfzilla
Roethelisberger is so overrated. I could care less about his ring(s). He is not an good passer. Plenty of people can complete 10-&-outs all the way down the field.

do you realize he currently leads the league in passing and a 72% completion percentage? his average yards per attempt is #1 (as is his average per completion), he has the most 20+ yard plays, the 2nd most 40+ yard plays and highest percentage of passes for 1st downs...which says he's throwing the ball further down the field more than the other QBs.

your blind hatred jealousy is amusing

6 weeks is nothing.

 

[chalmers]

It's funny how the pro Ben guys are using 6 weeks worth of stats and ignoring 6+ years of average ones.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: vi edit
Ben is a better football player than Brees. Brees is a better QB. If that makes sense.

As for best now? Peyton. No questions. His understanding of the game, work ethic, and execution are second to no one.

He's second only to TO in blaming his team for everything that goes wrong too.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: vi edit
Ben is a better football player than Brees. Brees is a better QB. If that makes sense.

As for best now? Peyton. No questions. His understanding of the game, work ethic, and execution are second to no one.

He's second only to TO in blaming his team for everything that goes wrong too.

Oh come on now. I'm a huge Pats fan and simultaneously love and hate Payton. I love watching the Payton cry face, but at the same time I recognize that he's the best QB in the NFL right now.

Right now, I'd say that Payton / Brees are #1 and #2 in the NFL. If and when Brady returns to form, he goes right up that list too.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Rank Em' Who's the best?

Soon to be NFLers:

Tim Tebow

New Crop:

Philip Rivers

Crafty Vets:

Drew Breese

Old Timers:

Kurt Warner

:thumbsup:

I am a fan of this list, but I think Favre has been showing up Warner rather consistently. Also, Matt Ryan is real solid (Though Phillip is my guy)

Was close to picking Ryan, but he is only in his second year and has never had to play without a running back or an OLine like Rivers has. Could you imagine if he was behind the Denver line last night and had that much time to throw?

 

[SN4p]

Soon to be:

I don't see any of those three becoming a great NFL QB. Tebow will be running some bizarre wildcatesque offense wherever he goes, but he's an athlete not a QB.

New Crop:

Big Ben - Two rings and he is just getting better.

Crafty Vets:

Peyton - His understanding of the game and ability to read opponent D is incredible. Plus he always nails that deep ball.

Old Timers:

Brett Favre - Always been one of my favorites. Can still take control of the game even at 40. Has a good chance to go deep in the playoffs.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: vi edit
Ben is a better football player than Brees. Brees is a better QB. If that makes sense.

As for best now? Peyton. No questions. His understanding of the game, work ethic, and execution are second to no one.

He's second only to TO in blaming his team for everything that goes wrong too.

you give pats fans a bad name.

i've never seen peyton sell his teammates out, aside from calling vandejagt an idiot (which he was).

as far as ben goes, i said a couple years back i'd take him on my team any day.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: shiner

Originally posted by: chalmers
I can't wait to see Tebow try to lower his head and run over NFL linebackers like he does in college. When he has a broken neck maybe he'll think twice about celebrating every 2 yard run he has.

Tebow is a fullback who just happens to be able to throw a little. He will not be a successful NFL quarterback. His best shot is either at success there is switching to TE.

Eh, if he can improve his passing skills and learns when to take off and when to take the sack, he might have potential. Think another Ben Roethlisberger, maybe.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: shiner

Originally posted by: chalmers
I can't wait to see Tebow try to lower his head and run over NFL linebackers like he does in college. When he has a broken neck maybe he'll think twice about celebrating every 2 yard run he has.

Tebow is a fullback who just happens to be able to throw a little. He will not be a successful NFL quarterback. His best shot is either at success there is switching to TE.

Eh, if he can improve his passing skills and learns when to take off and when to take the sack, he might have potential. Think another Ben Roethlisberger, maybe.

Not going to happen. The closing speed of NFL defensive linemen is insane compared to college ball. He's not a pocket passer and from I've watched he has a really flat/low trajectory to his throw. I just don't see him really making any significant transition to the NFL.

 

[KeithTalent]

Warren Moon and Fran Tarkenton are my favourites.

KT

 

[SirStev0]

thread descrip and actual thread don't match.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: shiner

Originally posted by: chalmers
I can't wait to see Tebow try to lower his head and run over NFL linebackers like he does in college. When he has a broken neck maybe he'll think twice about celebrating every 2 yard run he has.

Tebow is a fullback who just happens to be able to throw a little. He will not be a successful NFL quarterback. His best shot is either at success there is switching to TE.

Eh, if he can improve his passing skills and learns when to take off and when to take the sack, he might have potential. Think another Ben Roethlisberger, maybe.

Not going to happen. The closing speed of NFL defensive linemen is insane compared to college ball. He's not a pocket passer and from I've watched he has a really flat/low trajectory to his throw. I just don't see him really making any significant transition to the NFL.

I guess I don't watch enough college football to pick up on his passing abilities. All I heard about Tebow for a long time was how he won't make it in the NFL because he thinks he's a runningback and that defensive players are too good for him to run past, but that doesn't stop Big Ben from putting his shoulder down and running into them. So if Tebow can do that as well as Roethlisberger, I don't see the problem.

But yeah, if he's not a very good passer, that kind of screws him over. Ben can pull off a run here and there, but he's still mostly a pocket passer who can shake off a few more tackles than most. Seems like the "mobile quarterback" craze has completely died down now.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Turfzilla
Rank Em' Who's the best?

Soon to be NFLers:

Tim Tebow
Colt McCoy
Sam Bradford

I don't watch enough college to have an opinion here

New Crop:

Matt Ryan
Joe Flaco
Mark Sanchez
Jay Cutler
Philip Rivers
Eli Manning
Tony Romo

Right now? Phillip Rivers.

Crafty Vets:

Peyton Manning
Drew Breese
Marc Bulger
Tom Brady
Donavon McNabb
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselbeck

Peyton Manning

Old Timers:

Kerry Collins
Bret Favre
Kurt Warner

Week 7? Favre. Week 17? Whichever one is still healthy...I'm guessing Warner

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Turfzilla
Rank Em' Who's the best?

Soon to be NFLers:

Tim Tebow
Colt McCoy
Sam Bradford

I don't watch enough college to have an opinion here

New Crop:

Matt Ryan
Joe Flaco
Mark Sanchez
Jay Cutler
Philip Rivers
Eli Manning
Tony Romo

Right now? Phillip Rivers.

Crafty Vets:

Peyton Manning
Drew Breese
Marc Bulger
Tom Brady
Donavon McNabb
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselbeck

Peyton Manning

Old Timers:

Kerry Collins
Bret Favre
Kurt Warner

Week 7? Favre. Week 17? Whichever one is still healthy...I'm guessing Warner

I have faith in Favre this year. Mostly based on the fact that there is nothing more that pisses off Wisconsin fans than having Brett Favre healthy, playing and kicking ass, but on the Minn Vikings.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: rise

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: vi edit
Ben is a better football player than Brees. Brees is a better QB. If that makes sense.

As for best now? Peyton. No questions. His understanding of the game, work ethic, and execution are second to no one.

He's second only to TO in blaming his team for everything that goes wrong too.

you give pats fans a bad name.

i've never seen peyton sell his teammates out, aside from calling vandejagt an idiot (which he was).

as far as ben goes, i said a couple years back i'd take him on my team any day.

:laugh::laugh:

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: rise

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: vi edit
Ben is a better football player than Brees. Brees is a better QB. If that makes sense.

As for best now? Peyton. No questions. His understanding of the game, work ethic, and execution are second to no one.

He's second only to TO in blaming his team for everything that goes wrong too.

you give pats fans a bad name.

i've never seen peyton sell his teammates out, aside from calling vandejagt an idiot (which he was).

as far as ben goes, i said a couple years back i'd take him on my team any day.

:laugh::laugh:

Peyton is a smart guy. Usually when you understand a game that well you also suck at it. He has talent and brains which make him deadly.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: rise

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: vi edit
Ben is a better football player than Brees. Brees is a better QB. If that makes sense.

As for best now? Peyton. No questions. His understanding of the game, work ethic, and execution are second to no one.

He's second only to TO in blaming his team for everything that goes wrong too.

you give pats fans a bad name.

i've never seen peyton sell his teammates out, aside from calling vandejagt an idiot (which he was).

as far as ben goes, i said a couple years back i'd take him on my team any day.

:roll: i've seen him do it plenty of times, just not to the media directly.

Whenever he had a a bad game, he give that 'peyton face' look and start throwing his arms up in the air and yelling at whichever receiver didn't catch his pass... even if they were covered tight.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: chalmers
It's funny how the pro Ben guys are using 6 weeks worth of stats and ignoring 6+ years of average ones.

1. I'm a Dallas fan. I am in NO way "Pro-Ben". And I never said he was top5 in the last however many years. I said "He's been very consistent this season and he has a ring. Name me 5 better QBs in the league right now"

RIGHT NOW being the key word. THIS SEASON who has been better.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: chalmers
It's funny how the pro Ben guys are using 6 weeks worth of stats and ignoring 6+ years of average ones.

1. I'm a Dallas fan. I am in NO way "Pro-Ben". And I never said he was top5 in the last however many years. I said "He's been very consistent this season and he has a ring. Name me 5 better QBs in the league right now"

RIGHT NOW being the key word. THIS SEASON who has been better.

Eli and Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Brit Farve, and Orton are better so far this season.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: chalmers
Ben is hilarious to watch. It's like watching a frat boy play sandlot football. I'm surprised he doesn't take his helmet off while playing and wear a backwards hat.

Also it should be noted that Ben has lots of passing yards because Hines Ward is a beast. When you have a receiver who is one of if not the best at getting yards after the catch, your yards per completion go up. Ben's deep passing is not that great though. Almost all the routes are either 10 yd out patterns or slants where the receiver does a majority of the yard work.


As to the OP, the best QB's IMO are:

Peyton = Brees = Brady(when healthy)

All three are great/amazing at their jobs, right this moment Brady probably isn't as good due to not playing for a year, but considering their body of work they are all phenomenal players.

as for new qb's I'd say

Rivers, Big Ben, and Eli are all comparable. Ben can get out of some ridiculous situations and Eli plays well, but I would say Rivers is the best "pure passer" of those three.

And Matt Ryan and Flacco have looked great, and I think Sanchez after a few years will be good as well.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: rise

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: vi edit
Ben is a better football player than Brees. Brees is a better QB. If that makes sense.

As for best now? Peyton. No questions. His understanding of the game, work ethic, and execution are second to no one.

He's second only to TO in blaming his team for everything that goes wrong too.

you give pats fans a bad name.

i've never seen peyton sell his teammates out, aside from calling vandejagt an idiot (which he was).

as far as ben goes, i said a couple years back i'd take him on my team any day.

:roll: i've seen him do it plenty of times, just not to the media directly.

Whenever he had a a bad game, he give that 'peyton face' look and start throwing his arms up in the air and yelling at whichever receiver didn't catch his pass... even if they were covered tight.

what, like brady putting his hands on his helmet and smiling when a receiver drops a pass or gets in someones face when they run a wrong route?

reading body language in the heat of a game is pretty stupid.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
thread descrip and actual thread don't match.

Yes, definitely this. What the hell?

KT

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: rise

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: rise

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: vi edit
Ben is a better football player than Brees. Brees is a better QB. If that makes sense.

As for best now? Peyton. No questions. His understanding of the game, work ethic, and execution are second to no one.

He's second only to TO in blaming his team for everything that goes wrong too.

you give pats fans a bad name.

i've never seen peyton sell his teammates out, aside from calling vandejagt an idiot (which he was).

as far as ben goes, i said a couple years back i'd take him on my team any day.

:roll: i've seen him do it plenty of times, just not to the media directly.

Whenever he had a a bad game, he give that 'peyton face' look and start throwing his arms up in the air and yelling at whichever receiver didn't catch his pass... even if they were covered tight.

what, like brady putting his hands on his helmet and smiling when a receiver drops a pass or gets in someones face when they run a wrong route?

reading body language in the heat of a game is pretty stupid.

You have to be a homer to not see that Manning is the worst at this. He once got on Reggie Wayne's nerves so bad that Reggie shoved him out of the huddle.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Phokus
You have to be a homer to not see that Manning is the worst at this. He once got on Reggie Wayne's nerves so bad that Reggie shoved him out of the huddle.

actually i've been a pats fan for 30+ years.

i didn't see the reggie wayne incident you speak of but i think all qbs do what you describe to some extent.

what i was saying was i've never seen him sell a teammate out in the media.