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Torn Mind

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Everytime Chicago comes on primetime, you can expect the following:
Shit QB play.
WRs who will be forgotten the next day.
Good D play.
Wow Special Teams.

Although the D might suck tonight just as much as the O.
 

manly

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The Matt Stafford thing is weird.

It's like, think about the St Louis Rams in 99, when they brought in this aged rookie named Kurt Warner with a decade+ of experience playing Canadian Football, and instantly becoming a serious HOFer, with a great offensive system and NFL veterans and sterling rookies (The Great Torry Holt, of course).

Anyway, that's exactly what Stafford is right now with the ~same Rams team and mindset except that instead of hanging out in the CFL for a decade+, Stafford has been playing for the Lions, which, a few steps above the CFL, is "basically the NFL."

Could be a fun year for them.
It's been one game. I'm not ready to crown Stafford as the next Kurt Warner.
 
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MrSquished

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Tonight's game is on ESPN as usual, but on ESPN2 it will be the same game just commentated by the Manning brothers fyi
 

Captante

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It's been one game. I'm not ready to crown Stafford as the next Kurt Warner.


He'll need to actually QB at least ONE winning team in the NFL prior to being crowned anything by me lol .... I do however think Stafford + the Rams line-play and overall defense is a promising combination.
 

Captante

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Tonight's game is on ESPN as usual, but on ESPN2 it will be the same game just commentated by the Manning brothers fyi


Much as I love Eli I'm guessing the regular broadcast will be better.... Peyton we've seen quite a bit of behind the mic over the years and he isn't all that slick as a host/announcer IMO ... little-bro Eli can be downright awkward at times despite TONS of experience with the NY media.

Will do some back and forth anyway though ... not as if I like any of ESPN's regular guys much!
 
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Torn Mind

Lifer
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He'll need to actually QB at least ONE winning team in the NFL prior to being crowned anything by me lol .... I do however think Stafford + the Rams line-play and overall defense is a promising combination.
I focus on the materials and the construction thereof. Stafford has it all. He'll roast all doubter's hearts.
 
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Captante

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I focus on the materials and the construction thereof. Stafford has it all. He'll roast all doubter's hearts.


Its possible ... I'd enjoy seeing it!

Would have enjoyed it MORE had he transformed the Lions into a consistantly good team but we all know that will never happen.



(I don't like the Rams or any LA team much but I do like Stafford)
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
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Its possible ... I'd enjoy seeing it!

Would have enjoyed it MORE had he transformed the Lions into a consistantly good team but we all know that will never happen.



(I don't like the Rams or any LA team much but I do like Stafford)
LA's got to prove LA football is relevant to locals. Not many Americans locales can sustain a hockey team longer than a football team.
 

Torn Mind

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Ravens scouting strikes again. Ty'Son WIlliams takes it to the house.

And also lolRaiders.
 

zinfamous

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It's been one game. I'm not ready to crown Stafford as the next Kurt Warner.

Let's give that context: I posted that as the game was starting. It is mere prediction, and not a reaction to that game finish. LoL, I actually only watched the first 5 minutes or so, then saw the score today...uh, maybe 2 hours ago. That is it, haha.

Therefore, had Stafford tossed 3 INTs with 1TD, FL, LAR win by 2TD, plus....this response post of yours to what would have been my boneheaded analysis of a scrub doing scrubby stuff, would have been entirely different...would you not agree?

Now you see who is stupidly brilliant.


...anyway, the thrust of my thinking up there is more that LAR have a staff that are serious about doing those kind of things very quickly--McVeigh is definitely legit, I think. We already kinda know that, and I think most agree that Goff, with his one dimension, was never really going to fit there.

I think they really saw Stafford, after he basically quit (or quit because he knew this situation was going to be real for him) as that sort of golden entrance into super solid Rams organization that wants to put all those pieces together. People forget that they really haven't sucked in...uh, nearly 8 years now. And they've actually been really, really, really quite good for the last 3.

I think they have a 2-3 year plan for him, and if somehow there is life after that with the guy, it's all butter.
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
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#74, Phillips down for the Ravens looks like they're going to be the injury-prone team this year.
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
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Derek Carr...very mediocre qb. Throws lack accuracy, seems lost at times. Las Vegas would do well to end the relationship.
 

MrSquished

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Right through the receivers hands lol

The Manning broadcast has settled in. Rough around the edges, especially at first, but they have had me laughing a bit.
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
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Nice to see Baltimore looking mortal although the Raiders tried their best to choke as well.
 

manly

Lifer
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Let's give that context: I posted that as the game was starting. It is mere prediction, and not a reaction to that game finish. LoL, I actually only watched the first 5 minutes or so, then saw the score today...uh, maybe 2 hours ago. That is it, haha.

Therefore, had Stafford tossed 3 INTs with 1TD, FL, LAR win by 2TD, plus....this response post of yours to what would have been my boneheaded analysis of a scrub doing scrubby stuff, would have been entirely different...would you not agree?

Now you see who is stupidly brilliant.


...anyway, the thrust of my thinking up there is more that LAR have a staff that are serious about doing those kind of things very quickly--McVeigh is definitely legit, I think. We already kinda know that, and I think most agree that Goff, with his one dimension, was never really going to fit there.

I think they really saw Stafford, after he basically quit (or quit because he knew this situation was going to be real for him) as that sort of golden entrance into super solid Rams organization that wants to put all those pieces together. People forget that they really haven't sucked in...uh, nearly 8 years now. And they've actually been really, really, really quite good for the last 3.

I think they have a 2-3 year plan for him, and if somehow there is life after that with the guy, it's all butter.
Financially, they have a 2-3 year plan as you said. He now has a modest cap hit, but is expected to play well and earn a big extension. He had a fine debut, but Rams fans shouldn't extrapolate that to meaning they are Super Bowl bound. They're a real threat to the Bucs, but there are 16 games left to set up the playoffs.

Other than that, I just don't like the comparison to Kurt Warner. The stories are extremely different. Matt Stafford is treated by many analysts as the missing piece to a Rams team with the #1 rated defense. GM Les Snead has continually worked them into salary cap hell, and trading for Stafford was widely seen as an all-in move before salary cap math forces a rebuild. Stafford played for a major program and was the #1 overall pick. If nothing else, he was expected to win playoff games in his career. OTOH Kurt Warner was bagging groceries at one point! He was the '99 Rams backup until Trent Green went down in the preseason. His entire story arc was obviously conjured up in Hollywood.
 

BUTCH1

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browns... same as it ever was
Not really, they led the defending AFC champs for most of the game until hill broke free in the 4th Qtr, the old Browns would have been out of this game by halftime, these guys didn't quit at all.
 

zinfamous

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Not really, they led the defending AFC champs for most of the game until hill broke free in the 4th Qtr, the old Browns would have been out of this game by halftime, these guys didn't quit at all.
Browns definitely looked legit.
 
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BUTCH1

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More teams should do this.
Last night's game the Raiders made everyone attending be vaccinated, (hell of a game too!). 1,800 refused to comply and got refunds or tickets to another game. I just remain so baffled by this, I mean vaccines have been around for over 100 years and they work so it was not some new, experiential treatment people are being asked to take. Once upoon a time in this country people used to jump at the chance to help a noble cause like this, it's sad and dumb really.
 
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