NFL's All Decade Team

[geno]

Farve is 10x the player Manning or Brady will ever be.
285 Consecutive starts, THE most by any position player in the NFL ever
/qb question

You can't even spell his name right.

With that out of the way, he is a great player in the sense that he loves to play the game. He's a great QB, but he's not the best this game has seen in a decade, not even close. He's a reckless gunslinger at the worst of times. He makes very poor decisions and implodes at the worst times. I don't care how many consecutive starts he has, that has zero bearing on his ability. Sure, he's a tough guy, but better than Manning or Brady he isn't.

 

[Zargon]

You can't even spell his name right.

ROFL nice, I didnt even catch that

 

[Jeffg010]

Torry Holt over Hines Ward I think not.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

and brady has a habit of leaving the big games to his kicker.

Hehehe

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You can't even spell his name right.

With that out of the way, he is a great player in the sense that he loves to play the game. He's a great QB, but he's not the best this game has seen in a decade, not even close. He's a reckless gunslinger at the worst of times. He makes very poor decisions and implodes at the worst times. I don't care how many consecutive starts he has, that has zero bearing on his ability. Sure, he's a tough guy, but better than Manning or Brady he isn't.

what the fuck ever. FAVRE. There, do you feel better? I mistyped. I'm sure you have never done the same. dickhole

 

[JD50]

Torry Holt over Hines Ward I think not.

 

[KMFJD]

what the fuck ever. FAVRE. There, do you feel better? I mistyped. I'm sure you have never done the same. dickhole

 

[Capt Caveman]

And Brady has a habit of leaving the big games to his kicker.

That's b/c the team only needed a FG to win.

 

[MotF Bane]

He probably only has a few years left and I am afraid most of us take him for granted.

When he retires, it certainly will make Sunday much less interesting. Would you agree that Manning is more to the Colts than Brady is to the Patriots? Without Brady, the Patriots missed the wildcard berth by a game in '08. What would the Colts be without Manning? Painter certainly didn't display any brilliance in week 16.

 

[MotF Bane]

And honestly, if it were Manning or Brady getting pummelled like a crash test dummy during that last playoff game for Minn, they'd be MAYBE coming out of the coma now. Farve is 10x the player Manning or Brady will ever be.
285 Consecutive starts, THE most by any position player in the NFL ever
/qb question

I've barely ever seen Manning get sacked, and he's good enough to lay down just in front of the tackler and avoid actually getting drilled. As for Brady, he ended this season still playing on a long list of injuries. By the statistics, Favre isn't that impressive. How 'bout those picks?

 

[MotF Bane]

Last pass as a Packer, INT.

Last pass as a Jet, INT.

Last pass as a Viking, INT.*

The last line needs a star, I'll bet he comes back, after dithering about it again for a couple months.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

When he retires, it certainly will make Sunday much less interesting. Would you agree that Manning is more to the Colts than Brady is to the Patriots? Without Brady, the Patriots missed the wildcard berth by a game in '08. What would the Colts be without Manning? Painter certainly didn't display any brilliance in week 16.

Manning means the most to his team of any player not only in the NFL, but I would venture to say of any pro sport. Without Manning, the Colts might win 4 games, maybe more if they developed a strong run game. No way do they make the playoffs with Sorgi or Painter. I think the Colts have a good D, but I doubt that would win many games.

 

[herkulease]

When he retires, it certainly will make Sunday much less interesting. Would you agree that Manning is more to the Colts than Brady is to the Patriots? Without Brady, the Patriots missed the wildcard berth by a game in '08. What would the Colts be without Manning? Painter certainly didn't display any brilliance in week 16.

To be fair Painter is a rookie. a late round rookie at that. If Sorgi wasn't injured he be in we'd get a real idea of how the colts would be without Peyton but someone atleast isn't a newbie to the game. Matt Cassell was with the Pats for 4 years. That's plenty of time to learn the system and get accustom to things.

I don't think there's been single NFL qb since Peyton to come into the league and do well their rookie year.

 

[gorcorps]

With that said, he deserves to be on the list. I'm not sure who else you could pick, since the only other QBs that leap to mind are Warner (2 SB losses but lots of stats and an amazing career), Roethlisberger (2 SB wins, but is sometimes erratic), Favre (had some bad years this decade and no SB appearances), or McNabb (1 SB loss and many other NFC Championship losses). In the end, I'd pick Manning #1, Brady a distant #2, and then maybe Warner or Big Ben as #3

Are you forgetting that Warner also has a Super Bowl WIN as well? Granted that was in 1999 season, but still HAPPENED in 2000... right?

 

[crownjules]

I don't think there's been single NFL qb since Peyton to come into the league and do well their rookie year.

Tom Brady won the SB his rookie season. :smug:

 

[JD50]

To be fair Painter is a rookie. a late round rookie at that. If Sorgi wasn't injured he be in we'd get a real idea of how the colts would be without Peyton but someone atleast isn't a newbie to the game. Matt Cassell was with the Pats for 4 years. That's plenty of time to learn the system and get accustom to things.

I don't think there's been single NFL qb since Peyton to come into the league and do well their rookie year.

Ryan and Flacco both did well in their rookie year.

 

[TheNinja]

I personally don't think TO should be on the list. He's only been top 5 in receiving yards 1 time since like 2001. I'd think Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) or even Andre Johnson if you take his last 3 years up against anyone else really. Owens gets a lot of media hype but honestly his stats aren't that great.

IMO you have Moss, Harrison, & Holt as tier 1
Then you have guys like Ward, Owens, Ochocinco, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith as teir 2 I think.

 

[Zargon]

What would the Colts be without Manning? Painter certainly didn't display any brilliance in week 16.

To be fair to Painter, he was playing without an O Line. I think they literally quit blocking and let him get FITA on purpose. Its not like he ever gets any reps anyways

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Tom Brady won the SB his rookie season. :smug:

No, Brady rode the bench his rookie season where he played in one game and was 1 of 3 for 6 yards. It was the next season he came in and then proceeded to win the SB.

To be fair Painter is a rookie. a late round rookie at that. If Sorgi wasn't injured he be in we'd get a real idea of how the colts would be without Peyton but someone atleast isn't a newbie to the game. Matt Cassell was with the Pats for 4 years. That's plenty of time to learn the system and get accustom to things.

I don't think there's been single NFL qb since Peyton to come into the league and do well their rookie year.

Since Peyton? Are you implying that Peyton had a good rookie year? He was horrendous his rookie year...

Ryan and Flacco both did well in their rookie year.

As did Ben Roethlisberger.

 

[TheVrolok]

Seems like a difficult list to judge. Do players who only came into the league in the last 3-4 years get consideration? What about guys who only played in the first 3-5 years of the decade? Or is it if you were lucky enough to play throughout most of the decade AND you were good, you get in that list?


That said, a few guys that should get some consideration. Nmadi Asomugah ( or whatever). That guy has been lockdown for quite a few years now. Jason Witten has been a great TE, not just receiving but one of the best blockers as well. Brian Westbrook. Clinton Portis. Andre Johnson. Larry Fitzgerald.

I agree about Witten, but things are close. I'm actually surprised to not see Westbrook there. As far as RBs go, no one has had that kind of diversity in quite some time. Westbrook never got the massive rush yards to get noticed due to Philly's offensive playstyle, but look at his annual all purpose yards and heads up play. The guy was just nasty.

 

[MotF Bane]

Tom Brady won the SB his rookie season. :smug:

No, that was his second season.

IMO you have Moss, Harrison, & Holt as tier 1
Then you have guys like Ward, Owens, Ochocinco, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith as teir 2 I think.

Welker at this point is more valuable than Moss.

Since Peyton? Are you implying that Peyton had a good rookie year? He was horrendous his rookie year...

Most Touchdown Passes, Rookie, Season
26 Peyton Manning, Indianapolis, 1998

 

[darkswordsman17]

Even moreso on my avatar.

You do get the joke, right?

The last line needs a star, I'll bet he comes back, after dithering about it again for a couple months.

That's ok, he'll still find a way to make sure his last pass is an INT.

Manning means the most to his team of any player not only in the NFL, but I would venture to say of any pro sport. Without Manning, the Colts might win 4 games, maybe more if they developed a strong run game. No way do they make the playoffs with Sorgi or Painter. I think the Colts have a good D, but I doubt that would win many games.

It isn't the other QBs' faults that their teams aren't retarded and happened to get lucky building their team around one player. It is a team sport after all. Clearly neither Vanderjagt or Vinateiri had anything to do with the Colts success either. If you're going to give him so much credit, then you need to stop defending that he only has 1 ring so far.

I like Manning, but for fuck's sake, you need to jump off his dick once in a while. Enjoy him while you can, because eventually not even Viagra is going to let him give you the boner you so desperately need from him.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You do get the joke, right?

Uh, yeah, I do. I was joking in my reply.

It isn't the other QBs' faults that their teams aren't retarded and happened to get lucky building their team around one player. It is a team sport after all. Clearly neither Vanderjagt or Vinateiri had anything to do with the Colts success either.

Who said otherwise? Please read a few posts up. I am the one saying it is a team sport, something those using the "ring argument" always forget. I have been arguing that point for YEARS, in the face of Pats fans who somehow think Brady single-handedly won them 3 SBs. Guess what? He didn't win them alone. The Pats D was stellar those years. Similarly, in 2006, Manning had a poor postseason (outside of the second half of the AFC Championship and the SB) and the Colts' defense played lights out in the playoffs. Manning has succeeded the last few years because the defense has played much, much better. Sure, even with a bad defense, Manning put up monster numbers and got the usual 12 wins per season, but that couldn't get them to the next level. The Patriots, on average, were a much better team than the Colts up to about 2005 when the D started to show up a little.

Also, the "teams aren't retarded and happened to get lucky building their team around one player" is a foolish statement. First, you act as if Manning is the only player the Colts have. Most teams would love to have Wayne, Clark, Freeney, Mathis, Saturday, or Bethea, for example. Secondly, most teams do in fact *try* to build their franchise around cornerstone players. The Colts happened to get lucky in that Manning was the real deal. I remember back in 98, they were seriously debating Manning vs. Leaf. Thank GOD they chose wisely.

I like Manning, but for fuck's sake, you need to jump off his dick once in a while. Enjoy him while you can, because eventually not even Viagra is going to let him give you the boner you so desperately need from him.

I don't know what your problem is, but MoTF Bane asked me if I thought Manning was more important to his team than Brady and I said "Yeah, he is probably the most important person to his team in any pro sport." Do you disagree? I can't think of anymore more important to their teams with the possible exception of Lebron and Kobe in the NBA. If not Manning and those two, who is more important to their team? Last year, without Brady, the Pats finished within one game of making the playoffs. Do you seriously think the Colts would finish within one game of the playoffs if Manning went down in week 1 and Painter or Sorgi took over? You might say that the Colts offense has lots of other talent, and that's true, but that talent depends on Manning to call the plays and make the plays happen.

The bottom line is this: the two QBs on the list were the correct choices. As a Colts fan, I have to get my barbs in towards the ATOT Pats fans, who likewise do the same to me. It's all good fun.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Are you forgetting that Warner also has a Super Bowl WIN as well? Granted that was in 1999 season, but still HAPPENED in 2000... right?

Yeah, I know he had a win, but that was for the 1999 season, which is why I left it out.