Nforce Preview with Nvidia Provided Benchmarks

tazdevl

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Check it out. Looks freaking awesome. Preview is up on PC IGN and Nvidia supplied the benchmarks. The board is compared to Rambus, 760 and KT133 based platforms. Video benches used integrated core, so expect the numbers to get even better with an external card in use. Audio works too. WOOOHOOO! Guess who's gonna be one of the first kids on the block to own this?
 

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True... but Nvdia provided benchmarks are a lot more reliable that something from the Register or that Italian magazine. Let's also remember that they don't tend to inflate their video benchmarks.

These aren't from the mouth of god, but at least it's something to let all of the folks interested in the nforce whatt seems to sound good on paper could be the real deal
 

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Cool, was reading about the nForce on Anandtech last night and needless to say I'm impressed!

If the boards really turn out to be ~$200 it'd be a hit - Get a case, memory, hard drive, CPU, and the motherboard and you're set!
 

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do you know when these babies are coming out? Are they going have an intergrated graphics board too?
 

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are these boards really going to be much better than the new KT266A? I am probably gonna decide between one of these boards....which one would you guys suggest?
 

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<< do you know when these babies are coming out? Are they going have an intergrated graphics board too? >>

yes. It'll have a gforce2 mx core. BTW, Very impressive benchmarks and tech for this chipset; the 4.2gb cpu&gpu access and 8way memory predict access have me salivating
 

tazdevl

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Yup...

Punamo I think you are overestimating the cost of the boards by about $50 if you are in the US. If you read the article in The Register, the price was estimated for the European markets which has higher tariffs and longer distribution channels than the US. The price was quoted in pounds and converted to dollars.

It will be very interesting to see how the two chipsets (Nforce 420 vs KT266A) compare in performance. I think the first one to market is going to get a big share, regardless of the technology involved. People are looking for a fast socketA solution. Nice thing about the KT266A is that all the mobo makers need to do is just smack it in to existing KT266 chipsets... pin config is the same.
 

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They seem cool, but GF2MX is too slow and I can't give up my Live! front panel. I'm a bit disappointed at the built in graphics. Maybe motherboard manufacturers will offer some extras, such as front audio I/O panels?

Nforce is low end regardless of the improvements. Integrated solutions have alsway been low end and this will not be much different either I'm afraid.

I'd like to see some benchmarks with on-board audio and video disabled using GF3 and Live! card

Zak
 

tazdevl

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I did hear Zak that some mobo manuf might be including a I/O card. But how many people really use it? This is intended for the enthusiast mass market. Working MIDI etc is pretty specialized and 99% of people don't do it. I have a SBLive Platinum and have used the live drive all of maybe 3 times.

The attractive thing about this motherboard is the fact that it has TONS of memory bandwidth and is able to mutitask without draining system resources. That is why it has 2 memory banks. One is for CPU tasks, the other handles audio, communication etc... as well as hardware prefetch (aniticpates data and retrieves it before you need it). Makes for one fast rig. There are been a few newsbytes that the audio quality of the board is really good. If you think about it... it should be awesome. No PCI bus to deal with... tons of memory and bandwidth.

I also am looking forward to some benchmarks with a real graphics card and some sound comparisons.

It's either nforce or KT266A for me.



 

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Thank for the info tazdevl, but I'm still not sure. I use Live! drive all the times for MIDI and hadpohones connections and occasional mic recording - I can't live without it. This diminishes the advantages of Nforce for me. Still, I'm putting off my new upgrade (mobo, cpu, RAM) untill Nforce comes out to see what actually happens. Right no its' mostly speculations. Besides, it may drive VIA and others to release new, better parts or at least lower prices. We'll see. Cheers!

Zak
 

tazdevl

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That's what the KT266A is. It'll be interesting to see how the two boards compare.
 

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IMHO, if you buy ANY board based on the manufacturers benchmarks you are making a big mistake. Think about it; what are they going to show you, bad scores?? Heck no. Don't you think they are going to tweak things as best they can to sneak out as high a number as possible? They do this hoping for folks like you to buy into it. Sorry to burst your bubble. I am NOT saying that this board is not good. In fact I have two people that want me to build systems for them when this thing is released to the masses, if it is as good as it is supposed to be. But even they aren't going to buy this only based on numbers from nVidia. Heck, I'd like to try it myself. I will wait until some folks like Toms Hardware, AnandTech and others to put it through the hoops first and see what they reveal. Take a look at some of the graphs nVidia shows to demonstrate it's performance difference. They only show the top section of the graph and they enlarge it so that the (for example) 10% difference looks huge. However on a normal, 0-100% graph shown in "normal" viewing size, that would look much different. 10% is a big difference, but the way they show it looks more like 30% or more.
 

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What exactly is so great about those benches?

1) They're far from objective. They compare nForce to AMD 760 in StreamD, but leave it out when comparing the Sysmark and Business Content/Content Creation Winstone benchmarks. The excuse that they're comparing integrated chipsets doesn't cut it either because the i850+P4 used in the Winstone benches isn't an integrated chipset solution. If you look at Anand's review of the KT266A, you'll see why nVidia at this point isn't showing real world benches comparing nForce to ANY other Athlon chipset.

2) They don't mention what version of the benchmarks they're using. As for "that Italian magazine," that's the Italian version of PC Magazine, not some fly-by-night publisher. Assuming the benches in the article used the 2001 versions of Winstone, PC Professionale's benchmarks make nForce look better. I'd also take the PC Professionale's benchmarks of a production board as being more valid than nVidia benchmarks of an nVidia reference board.

3) The 3DMark benches are useless. Anyone that knows anything about integrated video knows both the i815 and KM133 stink at gaming, particularly at higher resolutions. A much more interesting bench would be a SiS 735/AMD 760 board with a GeForce2 MX 400 to see how efficient nForce's architecture is.

4) All that talk about the efficiency of the integrated LAN may be useless. Large vendors will stick with external NIC chip solutions because it makes support easier. The MAC has been in VIA southbridges for a while, yet almost no one uses VIA ethernet even though it would be cheap to implement it. Check out the "useless" Italian magazine. Their specs show that Asus is using a Realtek 10/100 controller, which is no real surprise. Same thing for Gigabyte, who is using a Realtek on their SiS 735 board even though the 735 has an integrated ethernet MAC.

[Edit] Plus what Buz said [/edit]
 

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I completely agree buz2b. There are benches out for the KT266A, I'd imagine they might get slightly better, but not to a significant point.

Definitely waiting for anand, toms, hardocp, firingsquad, sharky and a couple other sites to do their reviews of the nforce. The whole architecture is totally radical compared to others and warrants some caution. If they give it the thumbs up, especially against the KT266A, then I will pull the trigger. I would assume most of the sites mentioned are under NDA and have boards at the moment. Otherwise they wouldn't be so hush-hush. As always I"m sure something will pop up 1-2 weeks before the boards are available. In that time enough adequate testing will occur to allow folks to arrive at a somewhat educated decision.

Nvidia executes great in the graphics card business, they have yet to prove themselves in the mobo space.
 

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While I share your skeptisim about manufacturers claims, while reading the article here at anandtech about the kt266a due to hit the streets soon, I noticed that they mentioned the nvidia has twice the bandwidth but that the athlon can only use half that(until the hammer is released). So, despite any benchmark credibilty the tech underlying this chipset is impressive.
 

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nvidia has twice the bandwidth but that the athlon can only use half that

I suppose we'll have to wait for the real reviews to find out exactly what that means. I question how accurate that is because on synthetic memory benchmarks nForce clearly leads its competition. What these benchmarks ignore is that, much like the P4, massive memory bandwidth doesn't always equals massive improvements in real world benchmarks.
 
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