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Originally posted by: nick1985
3200 isnt faster than 2700 if you use a 333 FSB processor, much to peoples dismay. the 2700 matches your FSB so it runs a whole lot better

But I notice you're running Mushkin 2700 on an XP 2100, which is a 266 FSB CPU. Are you overclocking it to 333?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: 19

Originally posted by: nick1985
3200 isnt faster than 2700 if you use a 333 FSB processor, much to peoples dismay. the 2700 matches your FSB so it runs a whole lot better

But I notice you're running Mushkin 2700 on an XP 2100, which is a 266 FSB CPU. Are you overclocking it to 333?

you should read my ENTIRE post. i plan on getting a 333 in the near future

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Literatii
Like I said... it depends if you overclock.

If you unlock your Tbred B and get a good OCable mobo (like the Epox 8RDA) you can get close to 200/400 FSB with good cooling. At that point you may wish you had PC3200 instead of PC2700.

not true. if you are fanatic enought to feel the need to overclock, then you can save X amount of dollars by overclocking your pc 2700. pc3500, what a joke, who has 433 FSB??? lol , silly consumers

 

[Literatii]

I didn't say PC3500 did I. If you can OC your PC2700 to 200/400 good on you; I haven't tried it yet -- and since I plan to hand that RAM down in 4 years I'm not sure I want to.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Literatii
I didn't say PC3500 did I. If you can OC your PC2700 to 200/400 good on you; I haven't tried it yet -- and since I plan to hand that RAM down in 4 years I'm not sure I want to.

i wasnt necessarily talking to you. i was talking to the people recommending 3500

 

[Literatii]

Yes, I agree -- I'd never buy PC3500.

 

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you should read my ENTIRE post. i plan on getting a 333 in the near future

I was replying to your 6:19 PM post, your 6:22 PM post wasn't up when I wrote that.

OK, so the consensus appears to be that there's no advantage to PC-3500, but PC-3200 might be a good if you plan to bump up the FSB as it would be less stressful on the RAM, right? I scraped the following from pricewatch.com:

Mushkin 2700 2.5-3-3 512 MB = $172
Corsair 2700 CL2 512 MB = $160

Mushkin 3000 2.5-3-3 512 MB = $170
Corsair 3000 CAS2 512 MB = $176

Mushkin 3200: n/a
Corsair 3200 CAS2 512 MB = $171

So it looks like the Corsair 3200 is the way to go since I plan to OC a 333 FSB and there isn't much price difference between them.

 

[mechBgon]

Remember that you could make use of the extra overhead on PC3500 to OC the RAM and the CPU's FSB synchronously even higher than with PC3200. If the CPU can't take the heat then keep lowering the multiplier so you end up with a fatter pipe between CPU and RAM while not taking the CPU outside of its stability zone in overall MHz. This assumes that your mobo will handle FSB overclocking over 200MHz, and I read reports of the EPoX going right on up to 225 or so.

 

[Literatii]

Well, when I say OCing... I mean serious OCing, not just bumping the FSB till it cacks, but bumping the voltages and pontentially destroying your CPU or RAM. It comes down to what mobo you're going to buy. I've seen a few Asus hit 200/400 FSB at www.amdmb.com, but not many. If you go Epox, then ask around on the amdmb forum to see what serious OCers are using. If you don't plan to unlock your CPU (or future CPUs) then the whole thing is moot. Just buy PC2700 and forget about it.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: 19

you should read my ENTIRE post. i plan on getting a 333 in the near future

I was replying to your 6:19 PM post, your 6:22 PM post wasn't up when I wrote that.

OK, so the consensus appears to be that there's no advantage to PC-3500, but PC-3200 might be a good if you plan to bump up the FSB as it would be less stressful on the RAM, right? I scraped the following from pricewatch.com:

Mushkin 2700 2.5-3-3 512 MB = $172
Corsair 2700 CL2 512 MB = $160

Mushkin 3000 2.5-3-3 512 MB = $170
Corsair 3000 CAS2 512 MB = $176

Mushkin 3200: n/a
Corsair 3200 CAS2 512 MB = $171

So it looks like the Corsair 3200 is the way to go since I plan to OC a 333 FSB and there isn't much price difference between them.

mushkin 222 is 10 times better than any of that crap. dont look at the 2.5 3 3

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Literatii
Well, when I say OCing... I mean serious OCing, not just bumping the FSB till it cacks, but bumping the voltages and pontentially destroying your CPU or RAM. It comes down to what mobo you're going to buy. I've seen a few Asus hit 200/400 FSB at www.amdmb.com, but not many. If you go Epox, then ask around on the amdmb forum to see what serious OCers are using. If you don't plan to unlock your CPU (or future CPUs) then the whole thing is moot. Just buy PC2700 and forget about it.

good call with the 2700.(might i suggest 222 mushkin 2700 )

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: 19

you should read my ENTIRE post. i plan on getting a 333 in the near future

I was replying to your 6:19 PM post, your 6:22 PM post wasn't up when I wrote that.

OK, so the consensus appears to be that there's no advantage to PC-3500, but PC-3200 might be a good if you plan to bump up the FSB as it would be less stressful on the RAM, right? I scraped the following from pricewatch.com:

Mushkin 2700 2.5-3-3 512 MB = $172
Corsair 2700 CL2 512 MB = $160

Mushkin 3000 2.5-3-3 512 MB = $170
Corsair 3000 CAS2 512 MB = $176

Mushkin 3200: n/a
Corsair 3200 CAS2 512 MB = $171

So it looks like the Corsair 3200 is the way to go since I plan to OC a 333 FSB and there isn't much price difference between them.

mushkin 222 is 10 times better than any of that crap. dont look at the 2.5 3 3

corsair doesnt offer 222 because they prey on silly consumers like you that just look at a higher pc*** number.

 

[Literatii]

Ah... just thought I'd add that I'm running PC2700 OCZ CL2 rev 3.2 (2x256) at 3-2-2-2 on an Asus a7n8x. I'd probably buy 1 stick of 512 if I were to do it again. But that's water under the bridge.

 

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corsair doesnt offer 222 because they prey on silly consumers like you that just look at a higher pc*** number.

How much was your 222, and where,when did you get it? Do you know of any benchmark comparisons of the Mushkin 222 vs. others? I gather that you believe that a single cycle difference in RAS precharge rate and RAS-to-CAS delay outweighs the increased OC headroom of the PC-3200; do you base that opinion on performance comparisons or simply on the fact that since you have it, it must be the best?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: 19

corsair doesnt offer 222 because they prey on silly consumers like you that just look at a higher pc*** number.

How much was your 222, and where,when did you get it? Do you know of any benchmark comparisons of the Mushkin 222 vs. others? I gather that you believe that a single cycle difference in RAS precharge rate and RAS-to-CAS delay outweighs the increased OC headroom of the PC-3200; do you base that opinion on performance comparisons or simply on the fact that since you have it, it must be the best?

you can find this ram at newegg.com

i base my judgement on many articles that i have read in the past and some benchmark tests ive seen on many websites. the 222 performs MUCH better than any of that corsair sh*t 2.5 stuff, that is if you are into gaming, 222 is the way to go

 

[nick1985]

through my quest to learn about GOOD ram, ive come to the conclusion that pc(insert large number) is a marketing ploy. there are marketing ploys for nearly every piece of hardware, such as 533 FSB(my ass), geforce 4!!!!(mx....), 100 gig HD!(.000001 meg cache....), and the list goes on.

 

[Literatii]

Heh, you're not comparing CAS 2.5 to CAS 2 are you

 

[NicColt]

Holy crap

Crucial PC2700 2.5 256MB $68.39
Mushkin PC2700 2-2-2 256MB $119
*222 guaranteed only with one memory expansion slot occupied

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Literatii
Like I said... it depends if you overclock.

If you unlock your Tbred B and get a good OCable mobo (like the Epox 8RDA) you can get close to 200/400 FSB with good cooling. At that point you may wish you had PC3200 instead of PC2700.

not true. if you are fanatic enought to feel the need to overclock, then you can save X amount of dollars by overclocking your pc 2700. pc3500, what a joke, who has 433 FSB??? lol , silly consumers

LOL, Duvie routinely runs DDR442... just ask him

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Literatii
Like I said... it depends if you overclock.

If you unlock your Tbred B and get a good OCable mobo (like the Epox 8RDA) you can get close to 200/400 FSB with good cooling. At that point you may wish you had PC3200 instead of PC2700.

not true. if you are fanatic enought to feel the need to overclock, then you can save X amount of dollars by overclocking your pc 2700. pc3500, what a joke, who has 433 FSB??? lol , silly consumers

LOL, Duvie routinely runs DDR442... just ask him

that wasnt the pont of "who has 433 FSB" the point of that was, "who actually has a cpu taht has a 433 FSB. if someone does, please tell me where i can purchase 1.

 

[mechBgon]

Considering one fellow had his 2700+ up to a 225MHz (DDR450) FSB, it's not beyond the realm of reason. Also, the hand-picked modules that make the PC3500 cut should also be able to run tighter timings at high speed. In fact, if you look at Corsair's stuff, they guarantee it.

In my own case, I just built an office system with an A7N8X-Deluxe and a pair of 256Mb Corsair PC3200C2 modules. And yes, it's a crying shame to run such nice RAM at 266MHz. So why did I buy memory rated for DDR400...? Simple: I intend to upgrade that system to a 400MHz-based Barton in a year or two, and I decided to buy the right RAM the first time.

 

[nick1985]

"this one guy had his amd up to yada yada yada" ONE GUY! were talkin about your avergage non-overclocking sane person. anything over pc2700 for someone that does not overclock is a waste of cash.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: nick1985
anything over pc2700 for someone that does not overclock is a waste of cash.

I can agree with that, making an exception for people in my situation who are planning ahead to future 400MHz-based CPUs. And I'd insert the words "good-quality" in front of PC2700 after seeing several people tearing their hair out due to generic memory or OCSystems/GEiL stuff.

 

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And yes, it's a crying shame to run such nice RAM at 266MHz. So why did I buy memory rated for DDR400...? Simple: I intend to upgrade that system to a 400MHz-based Barton in a year or two, and I decided to buy the right RAM the first time.

Yes, that's exactly what I want to do - buy RAM now that won't be obsolete when I upgrade my CPU. Next question: is it likely that a Barton CPU work in my current mobo (A7N8X)?

 

[nick1985]

well lets all agree on this, pc3500 for the non-overclocker is a waste of cash.

a side note-my 2700 will destroy any corsair 3200, corsair isnt 222 unlike some mushkin