Nforce4

[coolred]

Just because they say it can support socket 754, doesn't mean the board manufacturers will make any socket 754 boards. I'm sure many will, but other may see socket 939 as the future and screw all the people that already got socket 754 and want this chipset.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Still useless.

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Still useless.

What is useless?

 

[LED]

Bitch Now...wait later and see, is what I'mma thinking as anything is possible :light:

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Still useless.

What is useless?

He's probably talking about our discussion of an unannounced/unreleased product that we really don't have much concrete information about (if any).

In other words he's thread-crapping. I apologize if I'm incorrect, but that's what I gathered from his brief cameo in our thread.

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Still useless.

What is useless?

He's probably talking about our discussion of an unannounced/unreleased product that we really don't have much concrete information about (if any).

In other words he's thread-crapping. I apologize if I'm incorrect, but that's what I gathered from his brief cameo in our thread.

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. I think you are most likely right, but apologies if I am wrong.

 

[ncage]

GREAT!!!! I hated it that the removed sound storm for the boards until know. Its really a feature i use. Via's solution for high end sound is done mostly in software so it SUCKS. I want my sound storm back.

 

[Bassyhead]

looks neat

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Still useless.

What is useless?

He's probably talking about our discussion of an unannounced/unreleased product that we really don't have much concrete information about (if any).

In other words he's thread-crapping. I apologize if I'm incorrect, but that's what I gathered from his brief cameo in our thread.

Not at all. I like speculating on new technologies. It's a lot of fun. But nVidia is useless to me. They don't support FOSS, so I do my best to not support them.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Not at all. I like speculating on new technologies. It's a lot of fun. But nVidia is useless to me. They don't support FOSS, so I do my best to not support them.

Do you mean Linux? I thought nVidia had the best Linux drivers. Or do you want them to let haxorz modify their drivers/bios'es? Because I don't think many hardware manufacturers would allow that...

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Not at all. I like speculating on new technologies. It's a lot of fun. But nVidia is useless to me. They don't support FOSS, so I do my best to not support them.

They most certainly do. nVidia doesn't open-source their drivers, but they do support FOSS. That's why you can download a driver set for Linux and FreeBSD.

I'll take a company that actively supports Linux over a company that dumps specs on the internet and says "Write your own drivers" any day of the week.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Not at all. I like speculating on new technologies. It's a lot of fun. But nVidia is useless to me. They don't support FOSS, so I do my best to not support them.

Do you mean Linux? I thought nVidia had the best Linux drivers. Or do you want them to let haxorz modify their drivers/bios'es? Because I don't think many hardware manufacturers would allow that...

All they need to do is release documentation so driver hackers can write drivers. And yes, plenty of companies do that.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Not at all. I like speculating on new technologies. It's a lot of fun. But nVidia is useless to me. They don't support FOSS, so I do my best to not support them.

They most certainly do. nVidia doesn't open-source their drivers, but they do support FOSS. That's why you can download a driver set for Linux and FreeBSD.

That isn't support.

I'll take a company that actively supports Linux over a company that dumps specs on the internet and says "Write your own drivers" any day of the week.

Lame.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Not at all. I like speculating on new technologies. It's a lot of fun. But nVidia is useless to me. They don't support FOSS, so I do my best to not support them.

Do you mean Linux? I thought nVidia had the best Linux drivers. Or do you want them to let haxorz modify their drivers/bios'es? Because I don't think many hardware manufacturers would allow that...

All they need to do is release documentation so driver hackers can write drivers. And yes, plenty of companies do that.

Name one worth owning. ATi doesn't.

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Not at all. I like speculating on new technologies. It's a lot of fun. But nVidia is useless to me. They don't support FOSS, so I do my best to not support them.

They most certainly do. nVidia doesn't open-source their drivers, but they do support FOSS. That's why you can download a driver set for Linux and FreeBSD.

That isn't support.

Really, then tell me what is. To me, support is having an engineer on the other end of the line, whom you can tell "Driver version xx.yy is causing a kernel dump in conjunction with module xyz in kernel 2.6.6" and the engineer will figure out a solution. The same statement on most FOSS development lists will get you a curt "RTFM and fix it yourself".

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Not at all. I like speculating on new technologies. It's a lot of fun. But nVidia is useless to me. They don't support FOSS, so I do my best to not support them.

Do you mean Linux? I thought nVidia had the best Linux drivers. Or do you want them to let haxorz modify their drivers/bios'es? Because I don't think many hardware manufacturers would allow that...

All they need to do is release documentation so driver hackers can write drivers. And yes, plenty of companies do that.

Name one worth owning. ATi doesn't.

Matrox did for a while. I haven't checked to see if they still do. AMD lent out hardware to all sorts of various groups, even some smaller ones. Intel OPEN SOURCES their drivers (almost as good as docs). VIA gave out documentation, and I believe a bit of hardware. IBM has been pumping money, hardware, and developers into Linux. There are 5 companies properly supporting FOSS, to varying degrees. 4 are kinda big companies these days.

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Not at all. I like speculating on new technologies. It's a lot of fun. But nVidia is useless to me. They don't support FOSS, so I do my best to not support them.

They most certainly do. nVidia doesn't open-source their drivers, but they do support FOSS. That's why you can download a driver set for Linux and FreeBSD.

That isn't support.

Really, then tell me what is.

Either putting out documentation so that people that will support FOSS can write drivers, or writing drivers under a reasonable license.

To me, support is having an engineer on the other end of the line, whom you can tell "Driver version xx.yy is causing a kernel dump in conjunction with module xyz in kernel 2.6.6" and the engineer will figure out a solution.

That's well and good for some company, and OPEN SOURCING the drivers, or releasing documentation does not prevent this.

The same statement on most FOSS development lists will get you a curt "RTFM and fix it yourself".

How the hell are FOSS developers going to track down problems if they don't have access to all of the source you are using? How will they know the problem is with the kernel or some random module and now nVidia's drivers? That's why kernels with nVidia drivers loaded on are TAINTED.

Support for FOSS is not treating them like an annoying child. Don't give us candy, pat us on the head, and tell us to run along. The condecending BS nVidia is giving the FOSS community is insulting at best.

Where's the support for NetBSD? OpenBSD? Native support for DragonflyBSD? They get x.org support done yet? What nVidia is doing isn't supporting the FOSS community.

 

[paperfist]

Originally posted by: tart666
even more (linked for above, edit) is this a joke? 8way, dual PCIe video, 8 SATA, 6 PATA, dual Gbit??

jebus, this sounds like an end-all chipset if I ever seen one...

From that link:

"This chipset will support a maximum of 32 PCI-E lanes says Theo, has suggested 1x16 X PCI-E slot, one 1 x 8X for SLI card and four times one lane for peripheral devices."

I don't understand how it can use dual 6800U GPUs with only 1 16X PCI-E slot, wouldn't the 2nd 8x slot provide half the bandwidth? Or is only half needed because in SLI mode it only renders 50% of the screen?

 

[PremiumG]

how can it support socket 754,939, and 940??

 

[manymoons]

the neforce 3/4 connects with the cpu via a hyper transport tunnel, and so it can connect with all of them. the different number of pins on the socket is for the different memory types (single/dual channel and ecc). so it is up to the motherboard manufacture what socket it wants to put on the end of the Hyper transport link.

 

[imported_Kaji]

-SQUIRT-.... Oh damn.. just came in my pants! :disgust:

This is the chipset I have been waiting for! Dual CPU, Dual PCI-E Graphics and everything else to boot!

I wonder how many dual CPU board we will see based on this chipset? lots I hope.
I wonder what form factor they will be based on... E-ATX I assume, as there are no reference designs for dual CPU BTX.... in fact I'm not even sure if there ever will be.

Yay!