This guy intent was not exposing the flawed ROE if what he was bragging about is true.
He was looking for some extra attention and $$.
so now the US military is hunting soldiers who have the audacity to speak up against our extremely liberal and disgusting ROE towards Iraqi/Afghani civilians.
so now the US military is hunting soldiers who have the audacity to speak up against our extremely liberal and disgusting ROE towards Iraqi/Afghani civilians.
so now the US military is hunting soldiers who have the audacity to speak up against our extremely liberal and disgusting ROE towards Iraqi/Afghani civilians.
Wired.com reported that he was caught after he boasted to a former computer hacker of leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents and the combat video footage, including the gun camera videos of the deadly 2007 Baghdad incident subsequently posted on WikiLeaks.
I thought of this picture when thinking of the pilots trying to distinguish who didnt have weapons in a military zone in the midst of those who did.
http://www.tcnj.edu/~hofmann/humor/Misc/peach.htm
Its a shame they died but you would have to be pretty ignorant to not think that you would be fired upon when travelling with heavily armed insurgents. In other words this is "DANGEROUS".
and rightfully so. he knew what he was doing was against the law.
yeah, of course - "against the law."
Speaking up against the US military is "against the law." Journalists who aren't embedded in the military is "against the law."
Face it, Obama's new ROE is criminal and unlawful. Just because we're Americans doesn't mean we get a free pass to kill loads of civilians.
Our military is acting more and more fascist by day...
Do you think whistle blowers in Israel don't get the same? It's amazing how you'll defend Israel for anything and everything and turn around and talk shit about the US.
Obama doesn't set the rules of engagement you idiot. Journalists in Afghanistan are not required to embed. Stop making shit up, its getting really old.
Kidding me? Israeli soldiers all the time talk shit about Israel without a scratch. Just yesterday a minority of "elite" Navy Israeli seals sided with the Arabist of the flotilla scandal.
About a month ago a soldier walked off with the whole security apparatus of the IDF and sold it to the Sunday Times - one of the worst intelligence disasters in Israeli history.
And yet the soldier is glorified and worshiped...even though he has placed millions of Israelis in jeopardy.
Obama has his own military doctrine. He nominates his own military commanders and approves/disapproves of operations.
And yeah, journalists have to embed with the military - they cannot access operations.
the Pakistani military outright bars the media all-together. In Operation Phantom Fury the media was shut down even a week after the operation ended.
You know nothing about how we treat our enemies..if you knew you'd be disgusted.
Kidding me? Israeli soldiers all the time talk shit about Israel without a scratch. Just yesterday a minority of "elite" Navy Israeli seals sided with the Arabist of the flotilla scandal.
About a month ago a soldier walked off with the whole security apparatus of the IDF and sold it to the Sunday Times - one of the worst intelligence disasters in Israeli history.
And yet the soldier is glorified and worshiped...even though he has placed millions of Israelis in jeopardy.
Mordechai Vanunu (Hebrew: מרדכי ואנונו‎; born 14 October 1954) is a former Israeli nuclear technician who, citing his opposition to weapons of mass destruction, revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986.[1][2] He was subsequently lured to Italy by a Mossad spy, where he was drugged and kidnapped by Israeli intelligence operatives.[1] He was transported to Israel and ultimately convicted in a trial that was held behind closed doors.[1] Regarded by peace activists as a hero for taking a stand against weapons proliferation, Vanunu has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize many times.[3][4]
Vanunu spent 18 years in prison, including more than 11 years in solitary confinement. Released from prison in 2004, he became subject to a broad array of restrictions on his speech and movement. Since then he has been briefly arrested several times for violations of those restrictions, including giving various interviews to foreign journalists and attempting to leave Israel. He says that he suffered "cruel and barbaric treatment" at the hands of Israeli authorities while imprisoned, and suggests that his treatment would have been different if he had been Jewish (Vanunu is a Christian convert from Judaism).[5]
In 2007, Vanunu was sentenced to six months in prison for violating terms of his parole. The sentence was considered unusual even by the prosecution who expected a suspended sentence. In response, Amnesty International issued a press release on 2 July 2007, stating that "The organisation considers Mordechai Vanunu to be a prisoner of conscience and calls for his immediate and unconditional release."[6] In May 2010, Vanunu was arrested and sentenced to three months in jail on suspicion that he met foreigners, violating conditions of his 2004 release from jail.
Obama has his own military doctrine. He nominates his own military commanders and approves/disapproves of operations.
And yeah, journalists have to embed with the military - they cannot access operations.
the Pakistani military outright bars the media all-together. In Operation Phantom Fury the media was shut down even a week after the operation ended.
You know nothing about how we treat our enemies..if you knew you'd be disgusted.
18 years in prison for passing nuclear secrets to british press?It has nothing to do with talking shit about your mission or commanders, its about releasing classified information.
Kind of like what this Israeli whistle blower did. I'm sure you'll explain to us how its perfectly fine in Israel's case that they imprisoning him for 18 years (11 in solitary) but the US Military arresting a whistle blower and makes them Nazis.
Obama is the commander in chief. He wants to leave Iraq, okay we live Iraq. He wants to boost forces in Afghanistan, okay we do that.Bullshit. The generals in charge now are pretty much the same ones in charge when Bush left. Obama doesn't set the Rules of engagement or our military doctrine (which has shown itself to be superior to Israel's), the US military does that.
They cannot collect interviews or information from NATO or elsewhere without the tacit approval of the US military.Yes, journalists can travel around Afghanistan without embedding
I know full well how we treat our enemies, its no different then how Israel treats their enemies and it doesn't bother me a bit.
18 years in prison for passing nuclear secrets to british press?
that's nothing. Americans get life for half as much.
Unfair comparison, truly.
Obama is the commander in chief. He wants to leave Iraq, okay we live Iraq. He wants to boost forces in Afghanistan, okay we do that.
He wants to increase predator-drone strikes, okay. close gitmo, okay.
Obama is President, not some intern lacky. He has major influence over the military, it is not a rogue entity.
They cannot collect interviews or information from NATO or elsewhere without the tacit approval of the US military.
1 day ago US soldiers shot to death 3 innocent Iraqi civilians.
And yet the media has said very little about it.
MI6 was implanting propaganda into BBC to sex up the war, US military closed down basra and falluja during operations.
Why? to stifle the media of course.
We already know your claims about Operation Crescent Wind is false, just like your claim about the US having higher civilian causality percentage is wrong (you showed that yourself). Why do you keep bringing this shit up when you know its wrong?Ha, yeah right. We killed more people in the 23-day operation crescent wind bombing of afghanistan than israel had in 23 years.
We killed more people in the 5 day carpet bombing of Iraq during the Gulf War than Israel had in the entire 100 year Arab-Jew conflict.
If Israel captured Osama bin Laden, she would release him for the shoes of an executed Israeli POW.
We would never do prisoner swaps with our enemies, or engage in "peace talks."
hell fuckin no.
And yeah, journalists have to embed with the military - they cannot access operations.
You can't cite any source to back these claims, can you?Israeli soldiers all the time talk shit about Israel without a scratch. Just yesterday a minority of "elite" Navy Israeli seals sided with the Arabist of the flotilla scandal.
About a month ago a soldier walked off with the whole security apparatus of the IDF and sold it to the Sunday Times - one of the worst intelligence disasters in Israeli history.
Yeah, and he spouts all sorts of delusions to try to defend his ridiculous bias. As for reality, note the recent example of Anat Kamm, not only did the Israeli military snatch her up for leaking evidence of them conducting assassinations in defiance of Israeli law, but they imposed a media blackout on the who situation to stop the Israeli press from being able to report on it at all, which took an concerned American Jewish blogger to break thorugh.Yeah that's what I thought. the US military does something and their Nazis according to you. Israel does something far worse and its perfectly acceptable.
Yeah that's what I thought. the US military does something and their Nazis according to you. Israel does something far worse and its perfectly acceptable.
The military comes up with those plans, not Obama. He signs off on them and has some say but they aren't plans devised by the president.
Or they kept reporters out of those areas to keep them from getting killed which is very bad PR. Which is exactly what we have in this situation.
srael itself ranks worse than countries like Albania, Ukraine and Georgia when it comes to press freedom so I don't know where you're going with this. Israel's occupied area ranks worse than both Iraq and Afghanistan
Reporters not getting info from Nato without the US military saying so(care to back that up?) is not at all the same as "Journalists who aren't embedded in the military is "against the law." which is what you said at first. This is just more of your made up BS that changes whenever someone challenges you on it.
We already know your claims about Operation Crescent Wind is false, just like your claim about the US having higher civilian causality percentage is wrong (you showed that yourself). Why do you keep bringing this shit up when you know its wrong?
Peace talks are starting right now with the Taliban. We've been pushing for them for a while.
What do you mean "they cannot access operations"? When I deployed to the surge we had a reporter from the history channel stay with us for almost a month and did everything we did. Went on Raids, regular patrols, town meetings.
ou can't cite any source to back these claims, can you?
Yeah, and he spouts all sorts of delusions to try to defend his ridiculous bias. As for reality, note the recent example of Anat Kamm, not only did the Israeli military snatch her up for leaking evidence of them conducting assassinations in defiance of Israeli law, but they imposed a media blackout on the who situation to stop the Israeli press from being able to report on it at all, which took an concerned American Jewish blogger to break thorugh.
Your sources don't match your claims:
Rather:Israeli soldiers all the time talk shit about Israel without a scratch. Just yesterday a minority of "elite" Navy Israeli seals sided with the Arabist of the flotilla scandal.
They aren't siding with "the Arabist" there, they are siding with anyone who isn't an Arab-hating psychopath.In a letter to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi, the Navy officers denounced the commando raid as having "ended in tragedy both at the military and diplomatic levels.
There is no mention of anything being sold to the Sunday Times in your link or anywhere else I've ever seen, and what actually happened is what I mentionded here:About a month ago a soldier walked off with the whole security apparatus of the IDF and sold it to the Sunday Times - one of the worst intelligence disasters in Israeli history.
My source was linked right in what you quoted there, a link to American Jewish blogger who broke the story. I suppose it is a bit of a puzzle, lets see if you can figure it out.Source please?Anat Kamm, not only did the Israeli military snatch her up for leaking evidence of them conducting assassinations in defiance of Israeli law, but they imposed a media blackout on the who situation to stop the Israeli press from being able to report on it at all, which took an concerned American Jewish blogger to break thorugh.
Israel sending a traitor to prison for less than 2 decades is impressive. US sends innocent muslims to black sites on a regular basis.
Obama comes up with these plans, and the military follows.
Are you this dense?
Huh what happened to you claiming the press never cared about reporting on Iraq? Now its changing to they tried but the Nazis in the US military are oppressing them?Of course - keep them from getting killed. Which is why nearly 300 journalists have been killed in Iraq by US forces.
No one gives a damn about reporters. US military isn't there to protect international journalists looking to find the truth, it is there to protect and shield their own crimes.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/reporters_without_borders_bord_1.html.
Reporters without borders is a French-propaganda site. It ranks fucking Qatar and Kuwait higher than Israel. It ranks Lebanon higher than Israel.
What a joke.
Israel jumped 40 spaces in a single year, can't possibly tell me this isn't politics.
You don't get. The media is tightly restricted by NATO and US. This is a fact. US shut down the media during Iraqi ops. Fact. US refuses international investigations. Fact. Soldiers who commit crimes get off easy. Fact.
If we count the siege of kunduz, which took place during Operation Crescent Wind, we killed about 10,000 between November of 2001 and December.
So in about 3 weeks, we killed more humans then Israel had in 3 decades.
This is a fact.
And yes, US does have a higher civilian casualty percentage, as confirmed by the CFR and Obama himself. Our predator strike program alone is about 40% civilian.
LOLZ. Who cares what you think? The peace talks are going on. We know you're upset that Israel is the United States bitch, deal with it.LOLZ. Peace talks, please. Taliban offered to hand over Osama for peace and we said no.
Bombing countries thousands of miles away and killing thousands each month does not scream "peace talks." America is under no international obligation to control its security performance in Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan as part of any negotiated peace - unlike Israel, which must deliver aid straight to the door-step of its enemies. And even then it's still evil.
Wheres the info about US soldiers killing 3 Iraqis and shooting a doctor at a checkpoint? Or all the other BS you can't backup?Ask and you shall receive:
Your sources don't match your claims:
They aren't siding with "the Arabist" there, they are siding with anyone who isn't an Arab-hating psychopath.
My source was linked right in what you quoted there, a link to American Jewish blogger who broke the story. I suppose it is a bit of a puzzle, lets see if you can figure it out. __________________
Just like always you can't be honest. The siege of Kunduz wasn't part of Operation Crescent Wind. Operation Crescent Wind killed around 6,000 not 10,000 people from October to December of 2001, it wasn't 23 days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crescent_Wind
Crescent Wind: 6,000
Second Intifada:4,907
First Intifada:1,087
2006 Israel-Lebanon War:1,191
Israel wins!
You proved yourself the US military is better trained, more professional and has better ROE by showing that the US military has a better civilian causlity to combantant ratio than Israel (even though you were arguing the opposite). Have you forgotten that already?
Second, our drone strikes don't kill 40% civilians. If you want to claim that than Israels is killing 60%. I suggest you be honest with your numbers for once because I know what figures you're trying to twist.
Wheres the info about US soldiers killing 3 Iraqis and shooting a doctor at a checkpoint? Or all the other BS you can't backup? __________________
Exactly. Deployed, with you to tag along.
These are journalists looking for a hit story. No one wants to read about how we perform in Iraq and Afghanistan compared to say...the IDF in Gaza, West Bank or Lebanon.
It just doesn't sell. Not even in Europe.
I still don't get what you mean by they don't get access to operations.
This wasn't a fly by day journalist that was trying to pop in for the big story. This reporter stayed with us for a good amount of time and did everything that we did, even boring stuff like sitting at a checkpoint for 12 hours with nothing happening.
Exactly - the journalist was EMBEDDED WITH YOU!
He had the tacit permission of the US military to be there. No sane commander would allow him access into that kind of environment unless they could control the flow of information.
It could be irresponsible, cause it could place the identities of soldiers in jeopardy.
Right, a claim you can't quote anything from any source to back.You asked for a source about the intelligence being stolen by IDF grunts and sold to the highest-bidder without punishment.
I've never defended any suggestion that anyone should ever be expelled from anywhere, though I do defend Helen Thomas from absurd attempts to slander her as a bigot.Aren't you the same guy who defended the Arab's racist expulsion of Jews?
His well sourced articles make demonstrate his reporting as reliable, the fact that he is Jewish just makes it harder for you to slander him as an "Arabist."So because one is an American Jewish blogger it makes claims more reliable?