NHL playoffs 2011 thread

[Elganja]

And NY wins it on a lucky bounce off a Caps player, 4v4 with Carlson out.

lucky bounces have a weird way of evening themselves out... we (caps) got the lucky bounces in game 2, rangers in game 3.

i do think the penalty calling was a bit one-sided, but that's not why we lost. We lost because we got sloppy on the defensive end.

 

[SP33Demon]

That's going to be a couple of games there. If he had just kept his shoulder down and not raised his arm to go for the head shot, that really is just a 2 minute interference call. The head shot just wasn't necessary, he could have blown him up shoulder to shoulder or shoulder to chest and had the same effect.

Yup, or he could have used his hands or forearms to finish the check. Don Cherry is a fcking moron for saying the new rules wussify the NHL, especially when we are seeing more and more great players out from concussions. Players hit from the blind side is BS, it's impossible to always have their head on a swivel. Having low paid thugs trying to end star's careers is simply BS. Torres claims that's how he makes a living, but there are a ton of other enforcers who blow you up the right way and are still feared.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

Going to be a loooong night ahead of me. Wings/Coyotes at 10:30pm tonight. Already let my co-workers know I'm going to be one tired guy tomorrow morning.

Stop taking dumb penalties Detroit. You have them right where you want them. Don't come back to Detroit unless you sweep Phoenix.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

{space reserved to act as a buffer between myself and AMDZentroll}

 

[AMDZen]

Going to be a loooong night ahead of me. Wings/Coyotes at 10:30pm tonight. Already let my co-workers know I'm going to be one tired guy tomorrow morning.

Stop taking dumb penalties Detroit. You have them right where you want them. Don't come back to Detroit unless you sweep Phoenix.

Ya, sweep Phoenix while every other series goes 6-7 games so the Maxi Pads can wait around for their next opponent and slack off.

Then the Sharks can roll in and sweep the Maxi Pads who will be cold after sitting around for a week waiting.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

Fine with me. As you roll in tired, worn out and a shell of your pitiful self, you get a well rested Detroit team that will have #40 out there skating rings around the Sharks, scoring goals and dumping chumps.

 

[AMDZen]

Fine with me. As you roll in tired, worn out and a shell of your pitiful self, you get a well rested Detroit team that will have #40 out there skating rings around the Sharks, scoring goals and dumping chumps.

Apparently you think I'm some kind of Sharks fan. I couldn't care less if the Sharks win the series they're in now or LA. All I care about is that Detroit loses, whoever they play next.

I just think the Sharks will win, and will steam roll Detroit just like they did last year when Detroit had a marginally better team last year than this year, and the Sharks are a much improved team.

 

[silverpig]

No suspension for Torres...

 

[Via]

No suspension for Torres...

I think it was suspension worthy, but what do I know?

This series reminds me of Chi/SJ last year. The teams aren't that far apart but Van gets the results.

Now I know what SJ fans must have felt like.

 

[sandorski]

No suspension for Torres...

Wow. Consistency certainly isn't a strong point in the NHL. I'm torn on this decision and rather confused by it.

 

[AMDZen]

Wow. Consistency certainly isn't a strong point in the NHL. I'm torn on this decision and rather confused by it.

I agree, to me if he got suspected for the Eberle hit, you have to get suspended for this one too. Kind of weird

 

[sdifox]

No suspension for Torres...

That basically says NHL never cared in the first place. They just pay lip service because they thought they might lose audience.

 

[SP33Demon]

No suspension for Torres...

The NHL is full of sht. Now I can understand that the puck was rolling in the vicinity but Seabrook didn't make a play on it. He was still trying to locate it.

 

[sandorski]

The NHL is full of sht. Now I can understand that the puck was rolling in the vicinity but Seabrook didn't make a play on it. He was still trying to locate it.

That's just an Interference Penalty though, which is what the Refs called.

 

[NoCreativity]

Datsyuk is playing in a Zen like state, 5 points in the first two periods.

And plays like this.

 

[Blackjack200]

That's an easy rule 48 call. Disgusting that he got nothing for it. Since the Hawks won't be advancing this would be a good opportunity for some vigilante justice.

 

[silverpig]

That's an easy rule 48 call. Disgusting that he got nothing for it. Since the Hawks won't be advancing this would be a good opportunity for some vigilante justice.

Apparently the guys who know the rules said it didn't violate rule 48.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=362743

I didn't really see anything wrong with the hit myself. Anyone who knows hockey knows you don't skate behind the net with your head turned because you're going to get hit. Torres didn't leave his feet, didn't use his elbow or forearm, and didn't charge. He turned so that he didn't knock Seabrook into the boards, and he put his shoulder at Seabrook's shoulder. Seabrook turned at the last second and got caught in the chest with most of the hit, and got some in the head too, but that wasn't Torres' fault.

Seabrook was very close to touching the puck so it was interference only by a fraction of a second. If Torres had touched the puck himself, he'd be in the clear.

 

[SP33Demon]

That's an easy rule 48 call. Disgusting that he got nothing for it. Since the Hawks won't be advancing this would be a good opportunity for some vigilante justice.

Yup. Torres is fresh meat out there, hopefully they don't pussy out like the Habs with Chara.

 

[SP33Demon]

Apparently the guys who know the rules said it didn't violate rule 48.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=362743

I didn't really see anything wrong with the hit myself. Anyone who knows hockey knows you don't skate behind the net with your head turned because you're going to get hit. Torres didn't leave his feet, didn't use his elbow or forearm, and didn't charge. He turned so that he didn't knock Seabrook into the boards, and he put his shoulder at Seabrook's shoulder. Seabrook turned at the last second and got caught in the chest with most of the hit, and got some in the head too, but that wasn't Torres' fault.

Seabrook was very close to touching the puck so it was interference only by a fraction of a second. If Torres had touched the puck himself, he'd be in the clear.

You're blind if you don't think his shoulder hit Seabrook's chin at 0:43, pause it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2VeWS9-d4M

1) Torres could have used his forearm to make sure he didn't hit the head.
2) Why didn't Torres try to play for the puck? Instead going for someone he knew didn't see him. I'll tell you why, to try to inflict maximum damage to someone he knew was vulnerable and couldn't defend themself.

Memo to Torres, this is how you lower the boom and play real defense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEWrKHxKUOQ

 

[silverpig]

You're blind if you don't think his shoulder hit Seabrook's chin at 0:43, pause it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2VeWS9-d4M

1) Torres could have used his forearm to make sure he didn't hit the head.
2) Why didn't Torres try to play for the puck? Instead going for someone he knew didn't see him. I'll tell you why, to try to inflict maximum damage to someone he knew was vulnerable and couldn't defend themself.

Memo to Torres, this is how you lower the boom and play real defense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEWrKHxKUOQ

1. Raising your forearm to check is essentially illegal. You hit with your shoulder, NOT your forearm/elbow. That's hitting 101.
2. He doesn't HAVE to play the puck. Seabrook was a fraction of a second from playing it himself. Had Seabrook touched the puck, it would have been 100% legal.

The head contact was incidental. Torres was leaning down. Torres hit Seabrook's head only because Seabrook had his head down. Even Seabrook himself after the game said "I don't know what I was looking at."

 

[JujuFish]

Time to take back the series lead. Let's Go Buffalo!

 

[meltdown75]

i thought there would have been a suspension. i just read the NHL's "official" explanation and i suppose it makes sense. still, based on the "blindside" term, and who did the blindsiding, i am sort of surprised that nothing came of it. like they said on PTI tonight, it makes you wonder who is actually making the decisions... is it the same person / body every time? because it seems woefully inconsistent.

anyhoo, i am GEEKED to watch some hockey. w00t

 

[KK]

any good places to stream the pitt-tampa game

 

[SP33Demon]

Philly needs to hold this lead...

 

[SP33Demon]

1. Raising your forearm to check is essentially illegal. You hit with your shoulder, NOT your forearm/elbow. That's hitting 101.
2. He doesn't HAVE to play the puck. Seabrook was a fraction of a second from playing it himself. Had Seabrook touched the puck, it would have been 100% legal.

The head contact was incidental. Torres was leaning down. Torres hit Seabrook's head only because Seabrook had his head down. Even Seabrook himself after the game said "I don't know what I was looking at."

The forearm is fine as long as he's not hitting with the elbow. It happens every game and isn't called, many times to a fault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dz_16c7Tvw

That was an extreme example that should have been called, but a push with the fist/forearm happens every game. Torres could have easily skated right, instead of left, of Seabrook and hit him from the side (shortest route) and pushed him into the boards. Why he skate left and go the long way? So he could gather more speed and go for the head.

I'm all for violent *legal* hits. If anything, it makes game a must see to see how Chicago retaliates if down late in the game.