NHL playoffs 2011 thread

[woodman1999]

That's the first photo or video I've seen of the hit, and that's not late at all. Getting hit after releasing the puck is nothing new, how is this different from Scott Stevens's hit on Paul Kariya?

Strong hockey play.

So leaving your feet and leading with your elbow is a "Strong hockey play"? Seems like the definition of a dirty hit.

 

[Blackjack200]

So leaving your feet and leading with your elbow is a "Strong hockey play"? Seems like the definition of a dirty hit.

At least as strong as breaking someone's neck by tossing them into a post. But anyway, I'll have to see the video to comment on the leaving feet and elbow. I haven't heard anyone suggest it was an elbow, I did hear some say that he left his feet, but that happens all the time and its not called. If he leapt into the air for the hit that's different.

 

[Blackjack200]

No. There will be no suspension, you'll see.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

The hit.... he did a thrusting motion upward when he hit the guy. The hitter did leave his feet but it was during the hit, not prior to. The video is clear though. He was head hunting. There is not a doubt in my mind that it was intent to injure.

 

[Via]

Not liking the comments by the Bruins coach.

If he didn't like the emotion his players were showing he should have kept it in house. He didn't need to take them to task in the media.

If Boston goes back to playing muted and loses the series 4-1- or 4-2 he's got a lot of explaining to do.

And as far as the hit goes - watch the video.

It's way too late, from the blind side, and definitely after Horton could have reasonably expected this kind of contact.

Even the Sedins didn't like it.

 

[MotF Bane]

http://www.nesn.com/2011/06/report-...ion-wont-return-during-stanley-cup-final.html

Nathan Horton reportedly has a severe concussion, will not return for the finals.

 

[jalaram]

Not liking the comments by the Bruins coach.

Link?

According to ESPN,

Coach Claude Julien implored his team to respond in a way that would make Horton proud

Also:

almost 42 percent of Vancouver Province readers voted the following in an online survey: "Was bad, but Horton bears some responsibility. "

[Edit] The only link I could find was Coach Julien asking his players to stay classy and not retaliate (fighting-wise).

 

[Via]

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nhl/news/story?id=6633698

 

[silverpig]

That's the first photo or video I've seen of the hit, and that's not late at all. Getting hit after releasing the puck is nothing new, how is this different from Scott Stevens's hit on Paul Kariya?

Strong hockey play.

Apparently the NHL has an unwritten rule (not in the rulebook... I checked) that a hit must be made within 1/2 second or 15 frames of video. This one was very close to 1 second, so it is by their definition late.

The NHL also has a video of what is a legal hit and you may make contact with a player's head so long as it isn't the primary point of contact. In this case the vast majority of Rome's arm was in Horton's chest. There looks to be some shoulder-head contact but this much is explicitly allowed by the NHL. The unfortunate part is when Horton's head hits the ice as he falls.

If that hit happened 1/2 second earlier, it'd be 100% legal.

 

[silverpig]

So leaving your feet and leading with your elbow is a "Strong hockey play"? Seems like the definition of a dirty hit.

Have you seen the hit? Elbow not found. Rome took extra care to tuck his arm IN.

 

[silverpig]

http://www.nesn.com/2011/06/report-...ion-wont-return-during-stanley-cup-final.html

Nathan Horton reportedly has a severe concussion, will not return for the finals.

That's too bad. Horton's a good player and you never want to see someone go down like that, especially with a concussion, let alone in the SCF

I hope he takes it easy in the summer and comes back fine for next year.

 

[mugs]

That's the first photo or video I've seen of the hit, and that's not late at all. Getting hit after releasing the puck is nothing new, how is this different from Scott Stevens's hit on Paul Kariya?

Strong hockey play.

You're allowed to finish your check, but he passed the puck near the red line and got hit at the blue line. That's pretty late. Watching it in real time I thought it was an interference penalty before I knew he was injured, and watched the referee to see if he was going to put his hand up. At first I thought they weren't going to call anything, but it must have been called by the ref who was out of frame.

At least as strong as breaking someone's neck by tossing them into a post. But anyway, I'll have to see the video to comment on the leaving feet and elbow. I haven't heard anyone suggest it was an elbow, I did hear some say that he left his feet, but that happens all the time and its not called. If he leapt into the air for the hit that's different.

I don't think he did anything illegal with his elbow, and he left his feet on the follow through after the hit which I'm pretty sure is legal. The contact was shoulder to head.

 

[silverpig]

The hit.... he did a thrusting motion upward when he hit the guy. The hitter did leave his feet but it was during the hit, not prior to. The video is clear though. He was head hunting. There is not a doubt in my mind that it was intent to injure.

*sigh* No he wasn't.

If you're headhunting you go in with your elbow on the guy's cheek. Rome's elbow was at around Horton's nipples. It's unfortunate and 1/2 second late, but otherwise is a textbook clean hit according to the NHL.

 

[MotF Bane]

Rome's meeting should have begun now. I'm hoping for no suspension.

 

[jalaram]

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nhl/news/story?id=6633698

Yeah, but that was about taunting and sticking fingers into the face of Burrows.

Taunting with fingers = Bad emotional reaction.
Scoring 8 goals and a goalie checking a player = Good emotional reaction.

"I don't want that stuff in our game. I think we have to be better than that. Emotions are running high. It was a very physical game. There was a lot of stuff going on. You can live with that kind of stuff. But the other stuff, I don't want to see."

The players agreed with the coach about the taunting.

 

[woodman1999]

Have you seen the hit? Elbow not found. Rome took extra care to tuck his arm IN.

Are you kidding me? His elbow was tucked into Hortons jaw! If you can't see that, you're blinded by homerism.

 

[Ricemarine]

Are you kidding me? His elbow was tucked into Hortons jaw! If you can't see that, you're blinded by homerism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUYqTE3cnuQ
0:50.
Shoulder. Even the commentators agree.

 

[silverpig]

Are you kidding me? His elbow was tucked into Hortons jaw! If you can't see that, you're blinded by homerism.

Watch the replay over and over that ricemarine linked to. Rome's arm is down and tucked in. There is zero elbow there.

 

[Wordplay]

Home advantage? last change advantage?

Who knows. I see game 4 as a likely B win. I want to see the Bs win game 5. To a lesser extent 7. Game 5 after all would give them the chance to win at home.

Could be just one good emotional game. I seen it before with the Wings :\

To me it looks like when his head bounced off the ice that's when he really got hurt.

 

[silverpig]

Apparently Rome got 4 games... crazy.

 

[dbk]

4 games?? hmmm i thought maybe 1

well on second thought, horton is out for the series.. eye for an eye.. lol

 

[Ricemarine]

Apparently Rome got 4 games... crazy.

Wow. Once again, the NHL has proven they cannot provide consistent discipline. Might as well say Rome won't be playing for the rest of the Stanley Cup Finals. If Rome gets 4, Chara should've received a much larger one for the hit on Pacioretty.

 

[coloumb]

It's no surprise those who are rooting [or live in] Vancouver think the hit was clean and legit. Glad to see Rome get what he deserved. Let's hope Burrows screws up and gets what he should've deserved from the biting incident..

 

[mugs]

Wow. Once again, the NHL has proven they cannot provide consistent discipline. Might as well say Rome won't be playing for the rest of the Stanley Cup Finals. If Rome gets 4, Chara should've received a much larger one for the hit on Pacioretty.

They are consistent, just not in the way people would like. They consistently take into account the importance of the players involved. Horton is important, Rome is not.

Burrows is important, so he go away with the biting.

Interestingly, I spun the NHL wheel of justice this morning and it predicted 4 games. http://www.nhlwheelofjustice.com/

 

[silverpig]

Wow. Once again, the NHL has proven they cannot provide consistent discipline. Might as well say Rome won't be playing for the rest of the Stanley Cup Finals. If Rome gets 4, Chara should've received a much larger one for the hit on Pacioretty.

If it had been a Sedin hitting someone like Peverley, there probably wouldn't be a suspension. Chara on Pacioretty, no suspension. Rome on Horton, suspension. Marchand on Kesler, suspension.

Ovechkin gets away with murder all year.

To be honest though, the suspension is probably also partially motivated by the fact that they want to keep this incident from affecting the rest of the playoffs. If Rome's in, he's a target. By suspending him, you keep that aspect out of the game, at least the majority of it anyways. I'm alright with it for this reason, but I would also like to see some more consistency with the rules on this, even if it means kicking Ovechkin out for a few games.

While I'd like to see a good SCF with Horton in it, the fact that he's out and Rome is too is probably a net benefit to the Canucks. Hamhuis will be back soon (hopefully), and the Canucks still have two NHL ready defensemen in Ballard (who should be playing anyways IMO) and Tanev who can easily step in. Losing Horton is a pretty big blow to the Bruins.