NHL playoffs 2011 thread

[sjwaste]

I'm all for violent *legal* hits. If anything, it makes game a must see to see how Chicago retaliates if down late in the game.

That's the old NHL. This is why the instigator has no place in the game either. Players used to police themselves. There used to be consequences for actions, but now it just leads to another power play for the other team and a suspension worse than the guy that acted first.

Torres got zero games, anyone that retaliates is going to get 2 minutes instigator, 5 fighting, and a 10 misconduct, and two games on top of that.

I still think that hit was dirty, even if it complied with the letter of the rule. He went shoulder to head on purpose, and that makes all the difference to me. The head contact was not incidental. I get that you want to blow a guy up when he's playing with his head down, and those are the chances you take when you hit him. That there wasn't and won't be a consequence is the problem with the new NHL.

I'm fine with no suspension even, if Chicago were free to police the incident. They aren't - anyone on that team that does anything about it will get the book thrown at them. That's the real disgrace.

 

[silverpig]

i thought there would have been a suspension. i just read the NHL's "official" explanation and i suppose it makes sense. still, based on the "blindside" term, and who did the blindsiding, i am sort of surprised that nothing came of it. like they said on PTI tonight, it makes you wonder who is actually making the decisions... is it the same person / body every time? because it seems woefully inconsistent.

anyhoo, i am GEEKED to watch some hockey. w00t

Getzlaf didn't get a penalty or a suspension for this

 

[silverpig]

The forearm is fine as long as he's not hitting with the elbow. It happens every game and isn't called, many times to a fault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dz_16c7Tvw

That was an extreme example that should have been called, but a push with the fist/forearm happens every game. Torres could have easily skated right, instead of left, of Seabrook and hit him from the side (shortest route) and pushed him into the boards. Why he skate left and go the long way? So he could gather more speed and go for the head.

I'm all for violent *legal* hits. If anything, it makes game a must see to see how Chicago retaliates if down late in the game.

Brilliant. Knock him with the forearm into the boards from a defenceless position. That's textbook boarding and exactly how you paralyze people. Torres taking the board side ensured Seabrook didn't hit the boards.

 

[silverpig]

That's the old NHL. This is why the instigator has no place in the game either. Players used to police themselves. There used to be consequences for actions, but now it just leads to another power play for the other team and a suspension worse than the guy that acted first.

Torres got zero games, anyone that retaliates is going to get 2 minutes instigator, 5 fighting, and a 10 misconduct, and two games on top of that.

I still think that hit was dirty, even if it complied with the letter of the rule. He went shoulder to head on purpose, and that makes all the difference to me. The head contact was not incidental. I get that you want to blow a guy up when he's playing with his head down, and those are the chances you take when you hit him. That there wasn't and won't be a consequence is the problem with the new NHL.

I'm fine with no suspension even, if Chicago were free to police the incident. They aren't - anyone on that team that does anything about it will get the book thrown at them. That's the real disgrace.

With Seabrook skating with his head down like that, there's no way to hit him and NOT have some part of Torres' body hit Seabrook's head.

What now, just skate around with your head down and no one can touch you?

 

[meltdown75]

Getzlaf didn't get a penalty or a suspension for this

who knows what will and won't be called anymore.

 

[sjwaste]

With Seabrook skating with his head down like that, there's no way to hit him and NOT have some part of Torres' body hit Seabrook's head.

What now, just skate around with your head down and no one can touch you?

You missed my entire point, or I just wasn't clear. I prefer the old way, where Torres might think twice about even blindsiding the guy, clean or not, because there'd be hell to pay for it.

 

[SP33Demon]

who knows what will and won't be called anymore.

I can guarantee you the Kunitz elbow to Gagne's head tonight. And the charge by the Bolts' Downy leaving his feet to hit Lovejoy, but who the hell knows with this joke of a league's review. Jeremy Roenick said on VS something is wrong if Kunitz gets nothing.

 

[sjwaste]

I can guarantee you the Kunitz elbow to Gagne's head tonight. And the charge by the Bolts' Downy leaving his feet to hit Lovejoy, but who the hell knows with this joke of a league's review. Jeremy Roenick said on VS something is wrong if Kunitz gets nothing.

He won't - he's a Penguin not named Cooke.

Downie will absolutely be suspended. Nice history of doing stupid shit, especially when he was in Philly.

 

[SP33Demon]

Brilliant. Knock him with the forearm into the boards from a defenceless position. That's textbook boarding and exactly how you paralyze people. Torres taking the board side ensured Seabrook didn't hit the boards.

By skating at such a sharp angle (going to the right, not left of Seabrook), he wouldn't have had the speed to hit Seabrook hard into the boards. Even if Seabrook fell into the boards he wouldn't have been seriously hurt because he would have had his right arm to break the fall (if he was hit from his left side IF Torres skated right and slowed down).

 

[SP33Demon]

And I'm done my freaking taxes and can finally watch some more Philly/Buffalo.

 

[n7]

Buffao-Philly game is driving me nuts.

Sabres do not seem to wanna win, & frankly don't deserve to.

Really want to see them tie it up somehow though, but they just missed out on a 5 on 3 D:

 

[Train]

Yotes made a mistake, tried to come out rough and throw a bunch of hits, Wings kept their compusure and are up 2-0 not even 3 minutes in.

 

[marketsons1985]

Yotes made a mistake, tried to come out rough and throw a bunch of hits, Wings kept their compusure and are up 2-0 not even 3 minutes in.

Yup. And both goals Bryzgalov should not have let in. When Helm forechecked before that first goal, Jovanovski was too worried with being physical instead of poking that puck away, leading to the goal.

 

[MotF Bane]

Holy crap, 2 in less than 3. This looks bad.

 

[Train]

You don't hit the captain.

 

[marketsons1985]

You don't hit the captain.

Especially when it's captain on captain. Shows who's the better captain when Lidstrom stays cool and collected.

 

[rcpratt]

Boy that was an awesome period. Nice to see Jimmy looking amazing again as well.

 

[Train]

Especially when it's captain on captain. Shows who's the better captain when Lidstrom stays cool and collected.

wow and a 2nd time.

Wings are beatable when you get under their skin, being rough to the start the game wasn't working so now they are going to piss off the whole team by cheap shotting the most stand up guy in hockey.

 

[rcpratt]

Is Doan playing hockey or just chasing Nick around the ice?

 

[Train]

Just stay out of the box and its a done deal guys.

 

[rcpratt]

I feel confident enough, and the Tigers are blowing the Mariners out...sounds like bedtime.

 

[TraumaRN]

Terrible officiating tonight in the Wings-Coyotes game. Blatant slashing/cross checking not being called but good acting after a hit gets a penalty. Bah. Hockey can be so frustrating to watch at times...

 

[marketsons1985]

And another penalty from the inexperienced captain. Hope the wings can convert on at least one PP this evening...

 

[Train]

Ya that soft slashing seemed way overacted. But meh, typical.

Mickey Redmond is saying they are reffing the score, not the game, which is pretty predictable in any playoff game.

 

[TechAZ]

Well, Bryzgolov shit the bed AGAIN. Doan is a standup guy BTW, the Coyotes are being mandated to be physical by Dave Tippett. The Red Wings are a more skilled team, the only way to beat them (if possible with lolGolov) is to outwork them and wear them down physically.