NHL playoffs 2011 thread

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Sentrosi2121

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My poor Vladdy, I still have your jersey hanging in my closet. Minus one self centered limo driver this team would have a couple more cups.

I agree 100% with this.
I'm waiting for one of the NHL commercials to feature Konstantinov on the ice getting the Cup from The Captain right after winning it in Washington.

"History can make grown men cry."
 

bignateyk

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Yup, the Caps made it further than the Pens this year so it's sour grapes for Pen fans.

All in all, Tampa finished only 4 points behind Washington so it wasn't a huge upset. I'd give Boudreau 1 more year with his new system and trade Backstrom and Green for high priced veteran defensemen who can play solid D behind young Carlson/Alzner. Move Mojo up to take Backstrom's spot on the first line and acquire a cheap center for the third line, hell they can't do any worse. Obviously this would only be if they can keep Arnott.

I was rooting for the caps. I thought the caps were going to sweep TB. Not sure how they got owned so badly by a team that had to go to 7 games against the pens without crosby and malkin.
 

MiataNC

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I was rooting for the caps. I thought the caps were going to sweep TB. Not sure how they got owned so badly by a team that had to go to 7 games against the pens without crosby and malkin.

The Caps didn't show up to play playoff hockey, and they have no well to draw from when it comes to discipline and determination. They expect to get by on raw talent alone. There is no real leadership when things are not working and the feces is hitting the fan.

The playoffs are about who wants it more, and who is willing to put it all on the line every shift of every game. Teams have to be able to make adjustments each shift, each period, and each game. They can't rely on "systems" that net positive results over an 82 game season. They have to find a way to make things happen one game at a time.

At the start of game 1 against Tampa I knew the Caps were done. Bruce B. looked flushed and confused on the Caps bench, and it only got worse. Guy B. paced like a caged lion, and you could read the intensity in his eyes. You don't have to know what was said in the locker room to see the marked difference in the attitude and energy coming from the players on both benches.

Watching the Caps the last 4 seasons is an exercise in frustration and missed opportunities. Bruce B. is a decent coach over an 82 game season, but he will never take the Caps to a cup final. Ovi is a god among men, but he is no team captain. So much talent wasted by poor leadership.

Congrats Tampa! You played great hockey and you proved without a doubt who the better team was in round 2.
 

bignateyk

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Bruce B. looked flushed and confused on the Caps bench, and it only got worse. Guy B. paced like a caged lion, and you could read the intensity in his eyes. You don't have to know what was said in the locker room to see the marked difference in the attitude and energy coming from the players on both benches.

Guy B. is a scary guy. He looks like he kills people for the mob for a living.
 

SP33Demon

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Jun 22, 2001
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Guy B. is a scary guy. He looks like he kills people for the mob for a living.

Yup, he clearly outcoached BB. Especially impressive was switching to a 2-2-1 when they had the lead in the 3rd in the past two games to throw more offense at the Caps. When they were tied, they basically just sit in the 1-3-1 and wait for the other team to make a mistake. However, Boucher noticed that the Caps were lackadaisical getting back on D and threw the 2-2-1 at them to force them back into their zone. The worst that could happen was Washington plays sound defense and penetrates their zone harder, and at worst ties the game. Sure enough, the Bolts killed a lot of time with the lead employing this method and even got many quality scoring chances by making Washington pay for not clearing/defending their zone with authority.
 

rh71

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Aug 28, 2001
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waah, waah, it was a stupid joke. don't get too butt hurt over it.

Oh look, TB up by 1 now.

TB deserved to win and I have no problems with the Caps falling to them in this series with the way both teams played. It's easy to root for TB now that they defeated your team isn't it? Difference is the sour grapes on your end is obviously obvious. Talk about butt hurt.
 

sjwaste

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TB was the scariest team going into the playoffs and they're the best team still in it. They're well coached, play good defense, and have enough offensive firepower to force you to try and do the same.

I didn't want the Flyers to have to play them, and it looks like I'm getting my wish for the wrong reason.

I gotta root for someone else to win the East, though, because they will be a ratings nightmare in the finals. The league needs all the exposure it can get right now.

Boston (or, by some miracle, Philly) out of the east is a lot better for the league than Tampa. Especially because if its not Detroit out of the West (again, miracle-type odds), it won't be a major market team. I don't mean that as a slight to Vancouver, it's just that Americans don't tune in to watch the Canadian teams, and I'd really like hockey to get more popular in the US.

PHI-DET would have been a great draw. BOS-DET as well. Can you imagine if the SCF is TB-NSH? Would NBC just not show any of the finals?
 

Wordplay

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I just don't get some of the Wings players. The second and third line players are playing with zero heart right now. I cannot wait till the day we can get rid of Bert, Flip, Homer and Hudler. These guys have just simple vanished this series, they are not even making an effort to compete out there. It's amazing how a 40 year old Lidstrom and 39 year old Draper could play with such passion after all these years but those guys cannot. Also how strange that Friday could be the last game for both of them.

In the words of most Red Wings right now

LET'S GO BOLTS!!!

PHI-DET would have been a great draw. BOS-DET as well. Can you imagine if the SCF is TB-NSH? Would NBC just not show any of the finals?
The Wings fans will be behind TB since it's Yzerman's team. After Friday I'll start cheering for them.
 
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Fingolfin269

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Good game thus far. I'm really hoping the Preds pull this one out. Yeah I'm a Preds fan and hope we win the series but with the 3 other series being duds I think we need a good 6 or 7 game series and this is probably the only one that has a shot.
 

SP33Demon

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TB was the scariest team going into the playoffs and they're the best team still in it. They're well coached, play good defense, and have enough offensive firepower to force you to try and do the same.

I didn't want the Flyers to have to play them, and it looks like I'm getting my wish for the wrong reason.

I gotta root for someone else to win the East, though, because they will be a ratings nightmare in the finals. The league needs all the exposure it can get right now.

Boston (or, by some miracle, Philly) out of the east is a lot better for the league than Tampa. Especially because if its not Detroit out of the West (again, miracle-type odds), it won't be a major market team. I don't mean that as a slight to Vancouver, it's just that Americans don't tune in to watch the Canadian teams, and I'd really like hockey to get more popular in the US.

PHI-DET would have been a great draw. BOS-DET as well. Can you imagine if the SCF is TB-NSH? Would NBC just not show any of the finals?

The strange thing about Tampa is they really coughed up a lot of goals in the reg season due to Rolo's below average save % (24th in the league, 91%). Now he's at 94%+ and that's the clear difference of why they're not allowing that extra .5 goal per game. It's actually quite amazing that the old man has performed at such a high level in 11 games, but there's still a lot of hockey to be played. I'd love to see him win the Cup and retire in style.

Ratings wise, TB/VAN would be a disaster for sure. At least if San Jose makes it, most of the West Coast will watch.
 

bignateyk

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I'm surprised how lopsided all the series in this round have been. What are we at now?

4-0
3-0
3-0
3-1

?
 

SP33Demon

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I just don't get some of the Wings players. The second and third line players are playing with zero heart right now. I cannot wait till the day we can get rid of Bert, Flip, Homer and Hudler. These guys have just simple vanished this series, they are not even making an effort to compete out there. It's amazing how a 40 year old Lidstrom and 39 year old Draper could play with such passion after all these years but those guys cannot. Also how strange that Friday could be the last game for both of them.

In the words of most Red Wings right now

LET'S GO BOLTS!!!


The Wings fans will be behind TB since it's Yzerman's team. After Friday I'll start cheering for them.

Aren't those 4 you mentioned locked up in pretty big contracts? Was listening to one of the Detroit execs on Home Ice last night (their president?), and they asked him about some of those guys (like Bert) locked up in big contracts and if he thought they could win with the current team. He said he thought so, and felt they weren't going to change much... just that the puck wasn't going their way. He said Howard is their goalie for the future and he still felt they could pull off the series.

Home Ice asked him about splitting Zetterberg/Datsyuk and he said they actually preferred to do it since it extends their depth at Center since their next best option is Filppula. The only reason the two were paired, according to him, was because Zetterberg wasn't fully healed and it would ease his workload by being on the same line as Datsyuk. /shrug

RE: Howard in goal for the future, I'm not positive that he's the answer yet. Niemi is outplaying him (for example allowing Setogucchi's soft 2nd goal in game 3, out of position for the OT winner), albeit the games have been pretty close.
 

Wordplay

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Aren't those 4 you mentioned locked up in pretty big contracts? Was listening to one of the Detroit execs on Home Ice last night (their president?), and they asked him about some of those guys (like Bert) locked up in big contracts and if he thought they could win with the current team. He said he thought so, and felt they weren't going to change much... just that the puck wasn't going their way. He said Howard is their goalie for the future and he still felt they could pull off the series.

Home Ice asked him about splitting Zetterberg/Datsyuk and he said they actually preferred to do it since it extends their depth at Center since their next best option is Filppula. The only reason the two were paired, according to him, was because Zetterberg wasn't fully healed and it would ease his workload by being on the same line as Datsyuk. /shrug

RE: Howard in goal for the future, I'm not positive that he's the answer yet. Niemi is outplaying him (for example allowing Setogucchi's soft 2nd goal in game 3, out of position for the OT winner), albeit the games have been pretty close.

No big contracts on those guys but Bert and Homer are signed with NTC next year, Flip has 2 full years left, Hudler has 1 more year. The Wings will look damn near the same next year but like I said I cannot wait till those players are gone.

Bert is not a legit second liner and should be playing 3rd line minutes. His desire, turnovers, work ethic are all pathetic. He is a shadow of the player he use to be and he cannot be relied on to produce consistently.

Flip isn't the true second line point producer the Wings need and he won't be IMO. Sure he can play defense but he cannot seem to take his game to another level when needed. Games 1 and 2 of this series is an example. With Z and D were together no other line was doing squat and the Wings cannot be a one line team come playoff time. Teams like that don't get far and it's being proven in this series since he cannot step up his game and produce when needed.

Hudler just got softer after last year in the KHL.

Homer isn't Homer any more. He can be used on the PP but that's about it. It's time for him to hang them up.

Mule is the only one with a long contract that has not lived up to expectations of level of play. Mr. Playoffs has left the building this year.

Really when it comes down to it the Wings depth is to inconsistent to be relied upon.
 

SP33Demon

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No big contracts on those guys but Bert and Homer are signed with NTC next year, Flip has 2 full years left, Hudler has 1 more year. The Wings will look damn near the same next year but like I said I cannot wait till those players are gone.

Bert is not a legit second liner and should be playing 3rd line minutes. His desire, turnovers, work ethic are all pathetic. He is a shadow of the player he use to be and he cannot be relied on to produce consistently.

Flip isn't the true second line point producer the Wings need and he won't be IMO. Sure he can play defense but he cannot seem to take his game to another level when needed. Games 1 and 2 of this series is an example. With Z and D were together no other line was doing squat and the Wings cannot be a one line team come playoff time. Teams like that don't get far and it's being proven in this series since he cannot step up his game and produce when needed.

Hudler just got softer after last year in the KHL.

Homer isn't Homer any more. He can be used on the PP but that's about it. It's time for him to hang them up.

Mule is the only one with a long contract that has not lived up to expectations of level of play. Mr. Playoffs has left the building this year.

Really when it comes down to it the Wings depth is to inconsistent to be relied upon.

Ok that makes sense regarding the contracts. So there is a lot of money tied up for next year.

RE: Mule, according to the exec, he said he was still injured this playoffs. If he was producing like he usually does, there wouldn't be any talk about the "Wing's wings" (/chuckle).

Speaking of injuries, there was talk today that Ovechkin pretty much played hurt all year.
“I don’t want to say too much but it was way more serious than all you people were thinking,” Boudreau said. “There was a reason why he wasn’t practicing to save himself for the game. You know that when something’s wrong, something’s [really] wrong and he’s never going to be one of those guys that sits there and takes days off. He would take a practice off so he could play in the game.”

Ovechkin admitted to being hurt and intimated it could be more than one injury.

"I have a couple of injuries," he said. "But it is what it is, I get hurt, everybody gets hurt."
http://www.csnwashington.com/05/05/...o-mon/landing.html?blockID=517501&feedID=9656

In any case, Ovi is heading to Russia to try and win the gold. Guts.

And I was wondering what was up with Carlson's inability to get back on defense:
-John Carlson injured his “mid-body” (back) in Game 1. Boudreau said Carlson played through in the injury in the final three games.
 
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