Nice little Backyard wrestling article..

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/magazine/life_of_reilly/news/2001/02/06/life_of_reilly/

<< He says he's had 10 concussions, a broken arm, a broken tailbone and five horrific falls, and he's got a hundred scars and a few soft spots in his brain to prove it. >>

<< Former WWF wrestler Mick Foley wishes more parents would wake up. &quot;As soon as you notice the cheese grater is missing and little Jimmy's head is suddenly shaped funny, you might want to start worrying.&quot; >>

<< The cheese grater is the only thing Andres and his pals haven't used. Sometimes they'll smack one another with a bat wrapped in barbed wire. Or set up a Death Table, which is a piece of plywood stretched between two folding chairs with the plywood wrapped in barbed wire, covered in fluorescent bulbs, littered with tacks, doused with lighter fluid and set on fire. >>

That's damn spooky..makes you wonder what kind of influence guys like Foley and the Hardy Boyz are to these guys.

It's like, they don't think they're in the absolute best of shape or skilled enough to perform actual wrestling matches, so hey, let's light each other on fire, that'll spark the crowd.
 

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LMAO - That's really scarey that people are practicing this unsafe sh*t in backyards everywhere.
 

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I question the humor in that..

And I don't mean to offend anyone out there what with the recent incident and all, but race car drivers put themselves in the same risk, if not more of a risk than these guys do everyday. Let's laugh at them... Not that I'm comparing race car drivers to these guys though.
 

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I don't know..why would people drive at 200mph in a very narrow course with dozens of other cars inches from them for a living?
 

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<<< I don't know..why would people drive at 200mph in a very narrow course with dozens of other cars inches from them for a living? >>>

Unlike pro wrasslin and such, racing events are fully sanctioned and regulated by real sporting bodies. Injuries and fatalities are rare because there are strict safety standard. I don't know of any races that happen at &quot;200mph&quot; on &quot;narrow courses.&quot; Sure there are the super speedways like Talledega and Indianapolis but those are wide ovals. Typical &quot;narrow&quot; courses feature low speeds.

<<< he's got a hundred scars and a few soft spots in his brain to prove it. &quot;Sometimes I want to say stuff, and no words come out,&quot; he says. He doesn't have any insurance, but, &quot;in 20 years, after I hit it big, I'll be able to afford all the surgeries I need.&quot; >>>

Unlike those nuts, your average race car driver will not be a vegetable in 20 years.
 

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<< Injuries and fatalities are rare because there are strict safety standard >>

How do you get the fact that they're RARE from? I mean, the death rate of race car drivers is right around that of professional wrestlers, if not higher. The fact is..EVERY time a guy goes in a race, his life is at stake there. It's like, as we've seen too many times in the past, one mistake could result in a life taken.

Although I do agree that on an average base these &quot;Backyard wrestlers&quot; put themselves in more danger, but the extremes of danger (such as death) are at the very least equal to race car driving.
 

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According to this site roughly one out of every 85 of America's pro wrestlers have died in the past 6 years, although in very FEW instances are they from in-ring related causes, and would drop that ratio considerably.

Any ideas on how this compares to auto-racing?
 

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NASCAR is a competative sport. Wrestling is simply entertainment which you have told us numerous times. In a NASCAR race the drivers are competing against the other 30 cars on the track to take the checkered flag. In wrestling, the winner is already predetermined. The nature of the sports are also incredibly dissimilar as well. You really can't compare death rates.

I have no idea why you are trying to group NASCAR, the WWF, and some backyard buffoons into one category. You have two professional groups and one group of morons looking for attention that they haven't received as a child. There is no comparison.
 

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I'm sorry, but these dumb kids pounding the crap outta each other and hurting themselves is just Natural Selection doing its job Plenty of Darwin awards to be handed out
 

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<< In a NASCAR race the drivers are competing against the other 30 cars on the track to take the checkered flag. In wrestling, the winner is already predetermined. >>

There's an incredible amount of competition involved in wrestling as well. I mean, a guy can't be at the top of the company if he doesn't spend years working through injuries sacrificing his life to be that way. It's like, Tom Hanks despite always being in movies that are scripted was never &quot;scripted&quot; to the top.

The similarities between the three, are that they all essentially involve people risking their lives every day in order to achieve something. Some would call them crazy for doing so, but some also respect them for it.

It would be like a bunch of kids tweaking up their cars and drag racing or designing their own courses to race in..and inheriting the same dangers if not more so, considering they're not profesional trained. It's competition right? Does that raise the sensibility in what they're doing in any bit?

A lot of people don't realize it, but these backyarders do find their influences from places..wrestling matches of the past have included 2x4's, barbed wire, jumping off 20-foot ladders through tables, nailing each other in the faces with steel chairs, throwing guys through FLAMING tables, and setting each other on fire.

Sounds professional doesn't it?
 

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<< There's an incredible amount of competition involved in wrestling as well. / It's like, Tom Hanks despite always being in movies that are scripted was never &quot;scripted&quot; to the top.&quot; >>


Competition? Not real competition, it's all scripted. Effort can vary, but the competition isn't a factor - since it's up to the writers what type of fight each person puts up.



<< It would be like a bunch of kids tweaking up their cars and drag racing or designing their own courses to race in..and inheriting the same dangers if not more so, considering they're not profesional trained. It's competition right? Does that raise the sensibility in what they're doing in any bit? >>


There's a big difference between racing a car and whacking a friend in the skull with a 2x4 for fun. Are there bigger risks in one over the other? Maybe not - but there's no blatant damage in racing.
 

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<< since it's up to the writers what type of fight each person puts up. >>

Well that has to be based on something else right..such as the type of work habit a guy has.

Guys that are lazy are moved to the bottom of the card (despite who they know or how nice they are), while guys that put their bodies on the line every night and have great work ethics are up at the top (meaning they get more &quot;wins&quot. You'd think that in an event where winners are predetermined there's little reason they have to work right? But in actuality there's a high level of respect and competition within the business. I mean, if a guy belongs with the top tier guys, he will be put there.

<< Maybe not - but there's no blatant damage in racing. >>

Well, just because it isn't &quot;blatant&quot; doesn't take away from the risks involved does it? The dangers and threats still exist..
 

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When you really dissect NASCAR and learn about mileage, tire usage, and the more in-depth stuff of which I couldn't explain...you'll learn that NASCAR is one of the most competitive sports out there and it takes brains to win it with all of the calculations, a lot of which are made out on the spot and are critical in decision making.

Wrestling (WWF) on the other hand, doesn't. Let's just say that intelligence doesn't play a key role in the act.
 

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<< Wrestling (WWF) on the other hand, doesn't. Let's just say that intelligence doesn't play a key role in the act. >>

I really wish you'd be a little more knowledgeable with your mindless comments..The amount of psychology in a match (particularly the few GREAT ones we get in America every year, and the dozens that occur in Japan) is incredibly mind-boggling. But straight from the FAQ:

0.18 What is selling? What are ring psychology and transitions?

The easiest way to simultaneously describe transitions and psychology is to note that in the absence of these two elements a pro-wrestling match reduces to a choreographed series of spots. The word spot is used to described an event (or sometimes a sequence of events) in a wrestling match. For example, a german suplex attempt reversed with a go-behind into a german suplex might (not surprisingly) be called a german suplex reversal spot. A high spot is a particular type of spot involving a wrestler flying through the air in some way. In the 1980s in North America, exciting high spots were top rope splashes (Jimmy Snuka), top rope cross body blocks (Kevin von Erich), and top rope leg drops (Bobby Eaton); wrestlers like Ricky Steamboat and Greg Gagne were thought of and promoted as high-flying wrestlers. In the 1990s, moonsaults have become routine; Twisting dives, splashes, and cross-body blocks are now state of the art. Somersault topes (pronounced toe-pay, generic term for a dive out of the ring), corkscrew topes, and firebird (450) splashes are moves of top flying wrestlers.

To repeat then, in the absence of transitions and psychology, a wrestling match becames little more than a collection of spots. Some of the most glaring examples of this in my memory are the Eliminators vs. Dudleys match from the Barely Legal PPV on 04/13/97, the Rob van Dam vs. Too Cold Scorpio match from the Living Dangerously PPV on 03/01/98, and Taka Michinoku vs. Aguila from the WrestleMania XIV PPV on 03/29/98. In each of these matches, the wrestlers glaringly moved from one spot to the next, essentially putting on a gymnastic stunt show.

In the context of pro-wrestling, I've seen psychology defined as doing the right thing at the right time. Of course, that means doing the right thing to build a match (i.e. keep the fans focused on the match, draw heat, etc.). Psychology encompasses a lot of things, and sometimes seems to conflict a bit with match booking, especially in this era in North America where matches often have far more than the finish booked out in advance. As time passes, psychology changes: good psychology in the early 1980s may not work well in the late 1990s; matches are often shorter (even on PPV), loads of new moves have surfaced, and the style of wrestling evolves. In Japan, psychology plays an essential part in the story that a match tells; in North America, it's often an afterthought or forgotten altogether. Let's look at some elements of psychology:

Selling - reacting appropriately to the supposed impact of a move. It means staggering for a punch and taking a bump (falling down) for the third punch, say. It means using facial expressions to show pain or anguish while in a submission move or as a tough match wears on. It means using mannerisms that suggest that a body part is sore after a move that supposedly hurts it has been applied (limping after a leg-lock, favouring an arm after an arm hold, etc.). Now that long matches don't happen much any more in North America, the idea of selling in the fifteenth minute of a match a leg injury that occured in the third minute is slowly becoming a lost art. Guys like Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair were the masters of this idea in the 1980s. Of the top guys in this era, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels stand out. Of the younger guys, really only the lighter weight guys with international experience have a deeper level of ability when it comes to selling.

To complicate matters, some guys develop into draws even though they do not sell many moves. Sid (Vicious, Eudy) and Ultimate Warrior rose to the top in an era that disregarded ability despite the fact that they couldn't sell to save their lives. On the other extreme of the scale, Curt Hennig developed a reputation for overselling simple moves: who can forget those insane twisting bumps from a simple clothesline (in recent times carried on by Goldust)? And Terry Funk has turned his selling into a punch drunk comedic adventure.

Pacing - leaving the right amount of time between moves. After a doubleknockdown spot, how long should a wrestler lie on the mat, how slowly should he regain his senses, etc.? The best answer is that it depends on the match, on how deeply the fans are into things, on the story that the match is trying to tell. In this era of quick matches for short attention spans, there have been some two-minute television matches that had enough action in them to fill a ten-minute chunk and, with wrestlers with limited ability being pushed, we've also seen ten-minute matches that really only merited two-minutes of time for the story they had to tell. Even in North America, it is often said that matches have an initial &quot;feeling-out&quot; period as the wrestlers act more tentatively before going into the body of the match. In Mexican trios matches, the wrestlers often pair up: when A &amp; B &amp; C face D &amp; E &amp; F, we first see A &amp; D trade a few moves, typically with one of them winning the battle for machismo that is lucha libre, then B &amp; E take their turn, and then C &amp; F take their turn, before we return to A &amp; D. Only after those initial periods do we enter the body of the match. In the key Japanese groups, after a slow match body with some key spots, the match builds to a time interval in which hot moves are traded back and forth, with many near falls to build the excitement. All of these ideas have to do with pacing.

Sensible moves. This is a function of booking these days. It doesn't particularly make sense for a wrestler to perform moves that affect lots of different parts of his opponent's body. From a story-telling standpoint, it makes sense to settle down to a single body part or tactic to build to a sensible finish. Some holds, like the facelock in All Japan are used as generic wear-down holds that the fans accept as fatiguing the recipient of the move; in this case, it doesn't much matter whether a match ends with a power bomb or a submission because both are believable. However, it's bad form to spend an entire match working over an opponent's leg before ending the match with a surprise armbar submission; this just doesn't happen in Japan. In North America, no effort is put towards this aspect of a wrestling match. While both the WWF and WCW have tried to establish various submission or finishing moves as devastating, with limited exception, they put very little effort into building to those moves. Diamond Dallas Page, Steve Austin, and Chris Jericho can hit their finishers from any position; the lure is when the finisher will come along not what needs to be done along the way to make sure it sticks. Is it any wonder that the typical crowd reaction for a match is a large pop at the start, mostly silence throughout, and then a pop for the finishing move? Or that bookers and wrestlers alike have increasingly little idea how to fill the match time between those two pops? All Japan pro-wrestling probably has consistently the best in-match psychology of any promotion in the world, thanks to the top four players in the group: Mitsuharu Misawa, Toshiaki Kawada, Kenta Kobashi, and Jun Akiyama. A typical marquee match in the group lasts 20+ minutes, often with every move from the get-go meaning something; in other words, the match builds logically to the &quot;near fall&quot; spots that pepper the last few (sometimes ten) minutes. For example, who can forget the famous backdrop driver finish of the 08/31/93 Kenta Kobashi vs. Steve Williams match. Kobashi's selling at the end of the match was a masterpiece (in general, the top four guys listed above have a knack for taking a series of hot moves and getting up just a notch or two more slowly each time). The psychology of the match was great. Taking a broader view, my favourite series of matches from a story-telling and match quality standpoint might well be the Naoki Sano vs. Jushin Liger series from 07/89 through to 01/90. A detailed rundown is on the web. The beauty of that series is how the psychology in each match was based on the previous bout. From the intensity of the wrestlers to the moves and reversals (and reversals of reversals), this series was a work of art the likes of which we'll never see in North American wrestling. Remember the finish to WrestleMania XIV's Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels main event? Superkick attempt, stunner attempt, etc., with each guy trying to counter with his big move. This same subtle &quot;learning of an opponent's moves&quot; comes into All Japan pro-wrestling matches as well. Often, the counters are peppered throughout matches. This means that somebody watching tapes of matches from Japan better appreciates the matches once he's developed some understanding of the large assortment of moves that different wrestlers use.

Consider the much-beloved &quot;table spot,&quot; wherein a wrestler crashes through a table, be it in the ring or on the floor. The table spot where Bret Hart was sent crashing through a commentators table was fantastic. Compare it to a typical table spot: the table has to be set up, a wrestler has to be plopped onto the table, the wrestler doing the spot has to get into position or run off the ropes, somebody goes through a table. Throughout all of this, time stand stills. It's not unusual to see a minute or two pass wherein the victim of the table spot has to act comatose. Unless the person doing the spot misses, it's nonsense. And if he misses time and time again, it becomes nonsense for that reason. It's a great stunt, though.

Transitions are the bridging maneuvers between spots. They are the staple of pro-wrestling, the essential elements holding the spots together to build a match. When somebody runs down a match, it often becomes a list like &quot;clothesline, body slam, suplex, pin.&quot; That disjoint list of moves sounds more like a wrestling move exhibition than a wrestling match because the transitions are not listed...because they aren't important, right? I don't think so; I think it is very important to recognize the difference between a move exhibition and a match.

I remember with amazement how Ric Flair or Ricky Steamboat could work off an armbar for ten minutes without a single &quot;boring&quot; chant. This was a time when the psychology of such action was clear to fans; don't get me wrong: I don't want to see that today and I don't think it would work today. The point was that they had dozens of ways to move out of an armbar into a spot of some sort and then return to the armbar. It's a tremendous skill that is lacking today in North America. That ability to float from spot to spot seamlessly is what makes the top four All Japan guys so great. It's what makes the past half-year of Jushin Liger &amp; co. vs. Shinjiro Otani &amp; co. in New Japan so great. It's what made the 1988-or-so to 1994-or-so All Japan Women's product so incredible. In this latter promotion, the rookie girls were only allowed to use a few elementary maneuvers (dropkicks, slams, clotheslines) in their matches while they learned about psychology and transitions; only later, did they add in the modern moves.

Recall the Eliminators vs. Dudleys match from the ECW Barely Legal PPV on 04/13/97. I remember the raves that that match drew on the net. With a clear mind, watch the match and see how many times the wrestlers just stand there before moving into the next spot. It's like somebody took a tape of a match and cut out all of the transitions, replacing them with a shot of the wrestlers standing still. It's a highlight reel, not a match. The same is true of the other two matches mentioned at the start of this discussion.

One of the worst spots that has surfaced in wrestling in recent times is the top rope leg drop across an opponent who conveniently sits on the second rope with legs out of the ring while leaning backwards into the ring and holding on to the top rope awaiting the move. This was the finishing spot in the La Parka vs. Psicosis match at Spring Stampede a few nights ago. The first few times I saw it (in ECW, by Sabu), the victim literally got into that position pretty much on his own, sometimes waiting forever for the bump. It's a horrible spot. La Parka tried to sell that he'd been crotched by the second rope and that he was losing his balance in the tangle, but it still came across weakly. I recall Billy Kidman being the recipient of this spot on a Nitro/Thunder show recently. In that instance, he was standing on the second rope, yelling at the crowd. He was dropkicked in the back, almost fell over the top rope, hung on, wobbled back towards the ring, lost his footing on the second rope, and held on to the top rope to avoid slipping all the way through. In the time it took for him to bounce around like that, his opponent (a Mexican wrestler) climbed to the top rope and hit him with the leg drop exactly as he was turning into the right position. That's the best transition into an this awkward spot that I've seen.

Jump to Jushin Liger vs. Shinjiro Otani from 03/17/96; the match had phenomenal transitions, the pacing was excellent, the selling was top-notch. The match ended with Liger hitting a palm strike to Otani's chin, knocking him senseless for the pin. To New Japan fans, that finish instantly established the palm strike as a finishing blow. The Observer called this a must-see match that was very close to match of the year calibre. Since that time, Liger has used that blow as a finisher in many matches, wrapping psychology and transitions around it, to the point that it has become an integral part of Liger's offence. It allowed Liger's matches to tease an over finisher while the reducing the number of crazy spots that Liger has to do.

Since the majority of the brawling matches we see (here or in Japan) are deficient when it comes to psychology (the pacing in Japan is better, but that's about it), we're left looking for transitions from one nonsensical spot with poor selling to the next one. It doesn't really happen in ECW all-out brawling matches. In matches that mix in some wrestling, like the famous triangle match on 02/05/94 in ECW or the Masato Tanaka vs. Wing Kanemura match on 08/01/96 in FMW, a **** affair can result and receive level praise from some fans. Maybe those fans don't think that psychology and transitions are important, opting instead to judge matches like highlight reels or stunt man performances, but I find that too unfair an approach to the wrestlers that actually tell sensible stories with great matches. And that's why I comment about psychology and transitions when discussing wrestling.
 

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<< Well, just because it isn't &quot;blatant&quot; doesn't take away from the risks involved does it? The dangers and threats still exist.. >>


Yes, that's exactly what I said in my response, but 9 out of 10 times someone's gonna get whacked in the head, or get booted in the face, or something like that. In racing, serious crashes are rarities, and aren't guaranteed to happen - like injuries and bodily harm are guaranteed in wrestling. There's a big difference there in my eyes.
 

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I once thought about taking steroids, getting a funny haircut, dressing up in spandex, using complicated dialect like, &quot;YEA!!! LOOK WHAT'S COOKING IN THE KITCHEN!!!&quot;, and smashing myself with a fold up chair. Then the alcohol ran out and I decided to use the gray matter for something other than a facilitator of concussions.
 

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<< like injuries and bodily harm are guaranteed in wrestling. >>

Well like anything else, your health is only dependent on how safe you are.

A wrestler named Bret Hart worked for TWENTY-TWO years without ever hurting himself, or another wrestler.

But what about football/hockey then? These guys are pretty much as guarenteed to get hurt than anywhere else. Are those guys crazy too?
 

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<< A wrestler named Bret Hart worked for TWENTY-TWO years without ever hurting himself, or another wrestler. >>

If you believe that crap along with the whole pro wrasslin charade, I have a nice beach front property in South Dakota to sell you.
 

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I also once envisioned myself tweaking a friend's Mustang, then cruise it down at 130mph on the freeway..

That would've been fun, just like in the video games!
 

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<< If you believe that crap along with the whole pro wrasslin charade >>

Please don't insult my intelligence with your senseless comments. I TRY to keep the discussion serious, but it gets hard at times with statements like those.

The two are totally different things. I really don't see your point here.

But Bret Hart DID go two decades without suffering more than some sores and aches after matches, and not even some broken bones. It is FACT, you cannot argue it.

And I didn't post that whole excerpt on ring psychology for nothing..you might learn a thing or two from a little skim through it. I mean, I always read through the stuff that makes half a sense, the least you can do is check that out.
 

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Whoa... take a chill pill kid. Those temper tantrums will settle once grow a little older. Your logic has fallen into a trap. You ask us not to compare backyard morons to pro wrassler you you want to compare professional racers to equally mindless drag racers with the following comment:

<< I also once envisioned myself tweaking a friend's Mustang, then cruise it down at 130mph on the freeway.. >>

I did skim through the article but if you can't come up with your own analysis some two bit hack writer doesn't do much good. It's a shame I didn't print it out to use as emergency toilet paper.
 

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<< Those temper tantrums will settle once grow a little older. >>

And if I use you as an example, my maturity level will lessen too? Which is evident with your little toilet paper comment?

<< You ask us not to compare backyard morons to pro wrassler you you want to compare professional racers to equally mindless drag racers with the following comment: >>

It's kind of called sarcasm. Unless you don't believe in sarcasm so in which case you have some sort of bridge to sell me?

But I really didn't quite understand what you meant by this:

&quot;I did skim through the article but if you can't come up with your own analysis some two bit hack writer doesn't do much good.&quot;

So my points are:

-People sacrifice their bodies, and sometimes their lives simply for the entertainment of others.
-Wrestling is scripted, but there is indeed competition inside the squared circle.
-Contrary to popular thought, wrestling involves much mind work, much psychology, and is more than guys whacking each other with steel chairs. But I wouldn't really expect anyone to understand that unless they have actually witnessed actual matches that it takes place in. And in American wrestling nowadays, such things come far and few in between which makes it even harder to understand.
-I am a God and I'm immortal. You must address me from now on as Lord Goldenbear the Great One.
 

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Face it, pro wrasslers fall into the same category as circus performers like trapeze artists and the guys than run around in the big hamster wheels. The comparisons are closer:

Both of them are there to put on a nice show
Both side have woderful athletes of physical prowess
Both sides carry risk of injury
Both sides are scripted and have predetermined outcomes

It is very easy to go through a career without injury if things are planned. Football players do not know what will happen on the next play, race car drivers do not know whether someone will brake early, and basketball players do not know when a opponent will crash into them.

To call wrassler &quot;athlete&quot; is a mockery to true wresling and all organized sports.

 
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