Nike Nixes 'Betsy Ross Flag' Shoe After Kaepernick Intervenes

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BoomerD

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Right, because if those black guys have a problem with being shot by the cops they should perform all their uppity actions where sensitive types like you don't have to see it.

No, I even have a problem with black people being needlessly shot by the cops...everyone SHOULD have a problem with that. (Not so much with those of any color being shot while committing a violent crime...or even while actively resisting arrest)
Protesting while at work is a different matter.
How many people here would be allowed to protest at their workplace while they're on the clock?
 

Veliko

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No, I even have a problem with black people being needlessly shot by the cops...everyone SHOULD have a problem with that. (Not so much with those of any color being shot while committing a violent crime...or even while actively resisting arrest)
Protesting while at work is a different matter.
How many people here would be allowed to protest at their workplace while they're on the clock?

You're clearly not a very bright person, so it's probably best if you stop replying to me.
 
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The problem is that we're far too quick to associate two distinct things. For example, what do Pepe the Frog and the far-right have in common? ...nothing. It's not like Pepe was a character that espoused far-right ideology in the comic. In fact, the artist tried to have his work removed from that infamous InfoWars poster. Of course, that entire brouhaha actually just made the entire situation worse as you give the Internet an inch and they'll take a few lightyears. So, it went from Pepe being used in a poster to having tons of negative imagery created by third parties including a Hiter-like version of him. It wasn't that the cartoon character was bad.. it's that it became too toxic. If you Googled "Pepe the Frog", you'd likely find plenty of information on the controversy prior to ever finding the cartoon. Likewise, if you search up the Betsy Ross flag, you'll likely find a lot more talk of the negative controversy. I'd be surprised if said controversy would've even been on the first page in a Google search results prior to this event.

It gets even more awkward. For example, someone said that the OK hand gesture (pointer and thumb form an 'O', and raise the remaining fingers) was related to neo-nazis and Blizzard banned its use from the Overwatch League. The problem is that if these public-facing companies do not deal with these situations, it's easy for detractors to spin up negative stories, and even if they're not true, it doesn't matter. It all boils down to that it becomes searchable on the Internet, and that's all it takes. Imagine if Blizzard received a headline like "Overwatch League Allows Neo-Nazi Symbology During Events". I don't think I need to say that's not exactly what you want going around about your sponsor-based organization. (Note that Blizzard also bans the use of Pepe emotes, which was actually used on Twitch prior to being used in the poster. It's my guess that the Twitch use is likely what popularized it enough to get into the poster in the first place.)

So, until we stop taking the most drastic route and cutting off a limb due to a paper cut, I don't think it will ever stop.

I need to go advocate to 4-chan that they should make sticking your middle finger up a whites only sign... Then no one can use it ever again hehehe
 
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Those shoes probably cost $20 to make and were going to sell for $200+. Nike is getting

Now they are going to sell for $2,500 because a few were sold before they took them off the shelves.

I'm not even joking - they really are going for that much.
 
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I mean - of all things - I gotta fucking laugh at how a company like Nike is taking marketing advice from a dumbfuck QB that gets placed on backup.

He doesn't have the brains to play football - and for some reason you think he is a marketing expert?
 

soundforbjt

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Saw the Turtle claiming Nike was wrong to do this and him asking another company to start making the shoes and that he'd be first to place an order for them. Guess it was a good decision by Nike after all.
Thanks, Mitch.
 
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I'm pretty sure that there's several recent militia (read: white supremacist) groups that have used that flag a lot. Just like how they like to use the "Don't Tread On Me". It gives them deniability that they're actually white supremacists and plays up their bullshit "we're just strict Constitutionalists!" Or claiming to be true patriots standing up to tyranny like those that fought for independence from the British. But I definitely wouldn't be surprised if it was a common sight on the social media of people posting racist shit.

I think Nike's move is a bit much, but then I think its silly/stupid/weird to be putting flags on shit in general (there's just way too much creepy weird Nationalistic idiocy that goes hand in hand with so much of that). Which, weird to see people wanting to champion that flag bitching that a corporation wasn't using it for their own profit. But then we've entered the Twilight Zone of the Twilight Zone.

The governor of AZ is making the state a safe space for...old flags we don't use anymore that were appropriated by problematic causes by withdrawing incentives for Nike to....make its products in AZ. Economic anxiety caused Trumpism and whatnot.


https://www.abc15.com/sports/govern...-amid-betsy-ross-colin-kaepernick-controversy

I'm not surprised, he's been a typical conservative moron (he at one point went out of his way to make sure that people knew that those fine racist statues depicting Southern Pride - which obviously it makes sense to celebrate the Confederacy in Arizona - wouldn't be taken down while he was in office).

The flag code doesn't carry the weight of actual law...If it did, maybe something could be done about the stupid rednecks who drive around with an American flag( or more than one) mounted in the bed of their truck, getting ripped to threads. IMO, that's more disrespectful of the flag than burning it in protest or sewing it onto a pair of shoes...

But...how long before someone shoots Krapernick? (or at least attempts to) I certainly won't be sad if it happens.

FWIW, I don't like or wear Nike shoes. They don't fit my Flintstone feet...

And that matters? Because even though its blatantly legal, hasn't had any bearing on assholes like you raging about kneeling disrespecting the flag or various other shit.

Wow, so that's incredibly classy of you. And he's not even an immigrant for you to feel that way about him!

Yeah no one cares if you buy Nike or not (there's plenty of legitimate reasons not to), let alone you claiming it (lots of morons claim they're boycotting something and then don't follow through). But oh my gawd someone else is using their platform to highlight injustice, they deserve to be shot!

I wouldn’t know Kaepernick from Adam and have zero issues with the politics he chooses to support. But holy shit I hope he’s spent his time out of the NFL learning to read defensive coverages and such because he might be the worst at it of all the pro QBs I’ve ever seen as a casual fan. He seems utterly incapable of making pre-snap reads and being able to adjust plays at the line of scrimmage.

Weird you say you have zero issues about his politics but have raged about him and the politics he supports on here basically incessantly. So do you just lack any self awareness?

Yes, yes, we get it you're trying to justify your hatred of him by "its totally not because of racism!" Look he made a bad play as a QB!

Just in case anyone doubted about my statement about him not being able to read defenses, take a look at this. He's the QB wearing white backed up to his own goal line who's going to completely ignore his TWO totally uncovered wide receivers (they're the ones at the top and bottom of the gif wildly waving their arms and jumping up and down saying "I"M OPEN") and instead of making a pass that a 9 year old could make to score a 99 yard TD, he obliviously hands off to his running back for a no-gain play.

You haven't been watching much NFL if you think he's the worst. Matt Cassel was worse. He had multiple plays like that in almost every single game. And there's worse QBs than him even. Hell, I bet you can find plays like that from Brady, Manning, and other greats, especially in their younger years. Shit, Mahomes would often overlook wide open receivers to throw into tighter coverage last year. Fucking Alex Smith had plenty of instances of ignoring wide open receivers (in the playoff game against the Steelers a few years back, he had wide open receivers on so many plays and would instead throw to guys being double covered).

Hell, I bet if you'd known what the coach said, where they probably told him to absolutely not under any circumstances pass while backed up to the end zone, that you'd probably have held it against him had he made the throws saying he refuses to listen to his coach.

Which, I don't even think Kaepernick is all that good, but that single play is hardly a total condemnation of his QBing skills.

Here's another play from what looks like the same game, yep worst QB ever:



Here he is looking like Mahomes (hell the previous one was somewhat reminiscent as well), evading pressure, keeping his eyes down the field, and hitting an open receiver for a TD.



One way is to not allow them to dictate what is good and what is bad. Pulling the shoes was and is a bad idea. It is like paying ransom, if you allow it more will come.

Nike failed and the Governor of AZ is right. I'll never buy another Nike Product.

You do know the AZ governor is doing the same thing, right?

Yeah no one cares. You probably said that multiple times before and have probably been as full of shit on that as you've been about everything else.

I hereby claim your avatar as a symbol of white supremacy.

So, you're admitting you're a white supremacist then? Because you'd have to be an actual white supremacist in order for that to work.
 

glenn1

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I'm pretty sure that there's several recent militia (read: white supremacist) groups that have used that flag a lot. Just like how they like to use the "Don't Tread On Me". It gives them deniability that they're actually white supremacists and plays up their bullshit "we're just strict Constitutionalists!" Or claiming to be true patriots standing up to tyranny like those that fought for independence from the British. But I definitely wouldn't be surprised if it was a common sight on the social media of people posting racist shit.

I think Nike's move is a bit much, but then I think its silly/stupid/weird to be putting flags on shit in general (there's just way too much creepy weird Nationalistic idiocy that goes hand in hand with so much of that). Which, weird to see people wanting to champion that flag bitching that a corporation wasn't using it for their own profit. But then we've entered the Twilight Zone of the Twilight Zone.



I'm not surprised, he's been a typical conservative moron (he at one point went out of his way to make sure that people knew that those fine racist statues depicting Southern Pride - which obviously it makes sense to celebrate the Confederacy in Arizona - wouldn't be taken down while he was in office).



And that matters? Because even though its blatantly legal, hasn't had any bearing on assholes like you raging about kneeling disrespecting the flag or various other shit.

Wow, so that's incredibly classy of you. And he's not even an immigrant for you to feel that way about him!

Yeah no one cares if you buy Nike or not (there's plenty of legitimate reasons not to), let alone you claiming it (lots of morons claim they're boycotting something and then don't follow through). But oh my gawd someone else is using their platform to highlight injustice, they deserve to be shot!



Weird you say you have zero issues about his politics but have raged about him and the politics he supports on here basically incessantly. So do you just lack any self awareness?

Yes, yes, we get it you're trying to justify your hatred of him by "its totally not because of racism!" Look he made a bad play as a QB!



You haven't been watching much NFL if you think he's the worst. Matt Cassel was worse. He had multiple plays like that in almost every single game. And there's worse QBs than him even. Hell, I bet you can find plays like that from Brady, Manning, and other greats, especially in their younger years. Shit, Mahomes would often overlook wide open receivers to throw into tighter coverage last year. Fucking Alex Smith had plenty of instances of ignoring wide open receivers (in the playoff game against the Steelers a few years back, he had wide open receivers on so many plays and would instead throw to guys being double covered).

Hell, I bet if you'd known what the coach said, where they probably told him to absolutely not under any circumstances pass while backed up to the end zone, that you'd probably have held it against him had he made the throws saying he refuses to listen to his coach.

Which, I don't even think Kaepernick is all that good, but that single play is hardly a total condemnation of his QBing skills.

Here's another play from what looks like the same game, yep worst QB ever:



Here he is looking like Mahomes (hell the previous one was somewhat reminiscent as well), evading pressure, keeping his eyes down the field, and hitting an open receiver for a TD.





You do know the AZ governor is doing the same thing, right?

Yeah no one cares. You probably said that multiple times before and have probably been as full of shit on that as you've been about everything else.



So, you're admitting you're a white supremacist then? Because you'd have to be an actual white supremacist in order for that to work.

Perhaps you’re mixing me up with someone else. I’ve never attacked his position on kneeling for the anthem or his politics (whatever they are). I’m pretty sure the below is the only time I’ve spoken here about his kneeling:

Employers have the right to dictate conduct during work regardless of whether they should exercise that right or not as a business and practical decision. This is one of those situations like the girls protesting the dress codes at school, whether it's a good idea or not for a policy to exist (e.g. dress code, standing for anthem) is a separate issue than whether you can ignore it without consequence just because you think it's a bad policy.

Kaep should find another avenue to protest and maintain his employment and thus visibility. Ultimately he'll have a greater impact by easing off his "take a knee" stance, actually playing in the NFL, and making a stand in another way. For someone with the resources and access of a professional athlete, there must be millions of different ways he can raise awareness of the issue. I personally don't care about him taking a knee and don't think it's disrespectful but realize that others do; sometimes you need to make a tactical decision to not engage in a fight you almost certainly will lose even though you have the moral high ground.
 

pcgeek11

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So in other words you support the government levying additional taxes on a corporation based on their political speech. Glad to know you’re such a big defender of the constitution, haha.

You are free to never buy another Nike product based on their political speech, that’s your choice. Arizona is not permitted to do that. If they attempt to do so they will be sued and they will lose.

Someday someone really needs to send the conservative movement to some civics classes.

He didn't levy additional taxes. He negated the tax bargain incentive for them to open a plant in AZ.

They are not going to sue AZ over them negating a tax incentive. LOL
 

fskimospy

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He didn't levy additional taxes. He negated the tax bargain incentive for them to open a plant in AZ.

They are not going to sue AZ over them negating a tax incentive. LOL

So he didn’t give them additional taxes he just didn’t not give them tax breaks. Lol. Do you know how math works.

Again, glad to see what conservatives think about the constitution.
 

Luna1968

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White supremacists haven't yet co-opted the thirteen star flag and won't, unless we let them. Most folks over the age of ~45 associate that flag with the America's bicentennial bash and to hell with the white supremacists if they want to take it from us.

This, ive never seen the 13 stars used by the american nazi's. If they did fuckem. The betsy ross flag is a american flag and i fly it every 4th. Besides didnt this whole thing start with it being a symbol of slavery??
 

VRAMdemon

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Nike is overreacting...stupid battle to pick. I thought the GOP gave up Nike back in 2017?

Speaking of disrespect to a flag..So what exactly should happen to a fake orange man who molests - hugs and dry humps the flag? - Fire him?
 

Starbuck1975

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Nike is overreacting...stupid battle to pick. I thought the GOP gave up Nike back in 2017?

Speaking of disrespect to a flag..So what exactly should happen to a fake orange man who molests - hugs and dry humps the flag? - Fire him?
I suppose Congress could grow a pair and impeach him.
 

KMFJD

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flash flood warning, snowflakes are melting rapidly at the news
 
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flash flood warning, snowflakes are melting rapidly at the news

Trying to turn around the situation and act as if Colin "I suck at Football" Kapernick isn't the snowflake is pretty comical. Nice job, you're like someone that tries to kick a field goal into your own goal and act as if you got points.

The fact that people are annoyed that their product selection is based on the thoughts and feelings of one snowflake seems completely within reason.
 

fskimospy

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Trying to turn around the situation and act as if Colin "I suck at Football" Kapernick isn't the snowflake is pretty comical. Nice job, you're like someone that tries to kick a field goal into your own goal and act as if you got points.

Uhmm, he was an about average NFL quarterback, making him one of the best human beings to ever play football.

The reason he is not employed is because the NFL has a decent share of snowflake mouth breathers for fans who get spun up about dumb shit like this.

The fact that people are annoyed that their product selection is based on the thoughts and feelings of one snowflake seems completely within reason.

Does it really? Honestly did anyone in this thread even know those shoes existed, much less was planning on buying them? Of course not. Nobody gave a shit.
 

Lanyap

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If it's not in the ADL database then I'm not worried about it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/02/nik...highlights-new-dangers-in-american-icons.html
The “Betsy Ross” flag is not part of a database maintained by the Anti-Defamation League of more than 150 so-called hate symbols, including the Confederate flag, a noose, Pepe the Frog and Sadistic Souls, said Mark Pitcavage, senior research fellow at ADL’s Center on Extremism.

“The Betsy Ross flag is a common historical flag,” said Pitcavage. He noted that while the flag has been used by white supremacists “from time to time,” he has “never once thought about” adding the Betsy Ross flag to the list.
 
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