Nike sides with Kaepernick

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emperus

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There is a lot of alarmism over the Supreme Court. Democrats didn’t play the long game and it will cost them the judiciary. There was far too much arrogance over inevitability.

Having said that, I don’t see Trump pushing any hard right ideologues to the bench. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are both excellent choices, although I would prefer Trump replace RBG with Garland as a gesture of good will under that scenario. Not going to happen.

Huh? Alito? Gorsuch? Kavanaugh was an attorney during the Clinton impeachment. The court is already decidedly right (corporations are people). How specifically do you define ideologues and what makes Gorsuch and Kavanaugh excellent choices?
 
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Starbuck1975

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I think a lot of people see this from their v. white privileged vantage points. It's hard to step in someone else's shoes and try to understand what this issue is about.
As a privileged white male, I would willingly step into Kaepernick’s shoes any day of the week.
 

emperus

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That sounds like the alarmist talking points of the resistance. Conservatives had that majority already with Kennedy. Roberts and Kennedy often served as spoilers to prevent a dramatic shift to the right. Kavanaugh, as the heir to Kennedy’s seat, will do the same.

Why would Kavanaugh do that? What rulings of his makes you believe that?
 

emperus

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As a privileged white male, I would willingly step into Kaepernick’s shoes any day of the week.

Yes of course. You would step into his shoes already being a privileged white male. You still don't get it. Ask yourself this question, as a talented athlete would you rather be a white man in the NFL or a black man in the NFL. Would you rather be a black millionaire or white millionaire, white doctor or black doctor, white homeless person or black homeless person? Check your privilege.
 

Starbuck1975

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Yes of course. You would step into his shoes already being a privileged white male. You still don't get it. Ask yourself this question, as a talented athlete would you rather be a white man in the NFL or a black man in the NFL. Would you rather be a black millionaire or white millionaire, white doctor or black doctor, white homeless person or black homeless person? Check your privilege.
Given that the majority of NFL athletes are black, to include those that receive major endorsements, race is not a differentiator. I know a few very wealthy and successful black doctors, and they have an enviable quality of life.

I would rather not be a homeless person regardless of race. I would gladly be a millionaire of any race.
 
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HomerJS

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Yes of course. You would step into his shoes already being a privileged white male. You still don't get it. Ask yourself this question, as a talented athlete would you rather be a white man in the NFL or a black man in the NFL. Would you rather be a black millionaire or white millionaire, white doctor or black doctor, white homeless person or black homeless person? Check your privilege.
Chris Rock has the answer to this...
 

emperus

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Given that the majority of NFL athletes are black, to include those that receive major endorsements, race is not a differentiator. I know a few very wealthy and successful black doctors, and they have an enviable quality of life.

I would rather not be a homeless person regardless of race. I would gladly be a millionaire of any race.

Even though I tried to lead you to the answer, it's still hard for you to see. That's your privilege speakinf. Ask your friends who are doctor's about this conversation and ask them their experiences as a black doctor. Yes, their life is enviable to you, but for those in their same situation, are white doctors more privileged? You're kind of saying, you are successful, be happy for that!
 

soundforbjt

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There is a lot of alarmism over the Supreme Court. Democrats didn’t play the long game and it will cost them the judiciary. There was far too much arrogance over inevitability.

Having said that, I don’t see Trump pushing any hard right ideologues to the bench. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are both excellent choices, although I would prefer Trump replace RBG with Garland as a gesture of good will under that scenario. Not going to happen.
Kavanaugh was nominated by Trump for ONE reason, he doesn't believe a sitting President should be bothered by lawsuits, etc. His opinion now is a total 180 from when Clinton was being investigated.
 

Starbuck1975

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Kavanaugh was nominated by Trump for ONE reason, he doesn't believe a sitting President should be bothered by lawsuits, etc. His opinion now is a total 180 from when Clinton was being investigated.
Kavanaugh was the exchange for Kennedy retiring under a Republican President.
 

dainthomas

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Kavanaugh was nominated by Trump for ONE reason, he doesn't believe a sitting President should be bothered by lawsuits, etc. His opinion now is a total 180 from when Clinton was being investigated.

I'm waiting for Dems on the committee to hammer the guy who literally served a subpoena to a president.
 

Starbuck1975

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Why would Kavanaugh do that? What rulings of his makes you believe that?
His rulings lead me to believe that he respects the function of the judiciary and will not legislate from the bench. That is all that really matters. He is not a darling of the far right or a pariah to the left.
 

Homerboy

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Good news, Trump has officially weighed in on the topic!
Really hard to imagine that a sitting POTUS makes these sort of comments.


Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Just like the NFL, whose ratings have gone WAY DOWN, Nike is getting absolutely killed with anger and boycotts. I wonder if they had any idea that it would be this way? As far as the NFL is concerned, I just find it hard to watch, and always will, until they stand for the FLAG!
 

senseamp

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Good news, Trump has officially weighed in on the topic!
Really hard to imagine that a sitting POTUS makes these sort of comments.
I am sure Nike loves buying its shoes being a mini-referendum on Trump, seeing how the unindicted co-conspirator's approval is in the toilet.
 

senseamp

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The real question to me is what's Adidas going to do? Do they want to be the brand that Trump supporting demographic wears?
 

senseamp

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My understanding is Adidas wanted Kapearnic with his Nike contract expiring, so Nike had to shit or get off the pot. They decided there was no way they would have allowed Adidas to outmaneuver them and become the hip rebellious brand, while they would be playing catch up, or worse yet, become the preferred brand of white supremacists and blue lives matter riff raff.
 

Commodus

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My understanding is Adidas wanted Kapearnic with his Nike contract expiring, so Nike had to shit or get off the pot. They decided there was no way they would have allowed Adidas to outmaneuver them and become the hip rebellious brand, while they would be playing catch up, or worse yet, become the preferred brand of white supremacists and blue lives matter riff raff.

If so, that's a good point. I don't deny that there's a degree of cynical marketing here, but it may be as much because of what it doesn't want to be associated with as what it does.
 

dainthomas

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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nike-apos-controversial-kaepernick-ad-200800254.html
Young people are digging Nike. Just shows that outraged old, white people are becoming less and less relevant. Must be scary having your whitewashed existence come crashing down around you.

With the majority of births being non-white, and old conservatives running up against their natural life span, what we're getting here in the late teens is the final desperate howl of a racist, misogynist minority on the way out of power.
 
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