Nine of Eleven Dead POW's American

[KK]

Originally posted by: lowtech

"What are the leaders of my country doing to make the world a better place?"

None, and not one leader has forces or lied to the citizens so they can invade an other country.

Are you trying to imply that bush has lied to take control of Iraq? Please explain.

KK

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: MachFive
Let's see....getting rid of the Nazis, the Fascists, Communists from Russia and eastern Europe, freeing South Korea....damn man. War hasn't done a single good thing!

I suppose we should have dropped flowers on Hitler's bunker and paraded around him chanting Kumbai ya? Yeah, that'd have made the world a better place.

For Aryans.

Who knows, it could be better or worst but we wouldn't known if they were the winner & is the one that write the history.

The allies have won the war and we could have written about the war to fit our agenda.

Oh, and leave it to you to apply revisionist theories to a war that was, at its purest , a battle against genocide.

Next you'll be asserting that the moon landing was a hoax and Madonna's a virgin.

If you must then what happened to the native that lived on the land that you called America....don't tell me it was just a freak of nature that they were extinct with out the help of your forefathers.

You know a little about everything and nothing specific enough to spew your opinions. Answering questions with questions and diversions is weak minded. You'd make a great information ministry representative.

Have you been eating thit cho again? It's clogging your head.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: lowtech

"What are the leaders of my country doing to make the world a better place?"

None, and not one leader has forces or lied to the citizens so they can invade an other country.

Your unique insight and knowledge about the truth is clearly amazing.

That's not a chemical warhead, it's Paul Newman's new jihad mustard dressing. Oops, we goofed.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: MachFive
Let's see....getting rid of the Nazis, the Fascists, Communists from Russia and eastern Europe, freeing South Korea....damn man. War hasn't done a single good thing!

I suppose we should have dropped flowers on Hitler's bunker and paraded around him chanting Kumbai ya? Yeah, that'd have made the world a better place.

For Aryans.

Who knows, it could be better or worst but we wouldn't known if they were the winner & is the one that write the history.

The allies have won the war and we could have written about the war to fit our agenda.

Oh, and leave it to you to apply revisionist theories to a war that was, at its purest , a battle against genocide.

Next you'll be asserting that the moon landing was a hoax and Madonna's a virgin.

If you must then what happened to the native that lived on the land that you called America....don't tell me it was just a freak of nature that they were extinct with out the help of your forefathers.

You know a little about everything and nothing specific enough to spew your opinions. Answering questions with questions and diversions is weak minded. You'd make a great information ministry representative.

Have you been eating thit cho again? It's clogging your head.

Maybe rounding the native into reserves have something to do with their extinction.

What make you think that eating dogs have anything to do with thinking process. I don't eat dog, but if eating meat has anything to do with people ability of reasoning than most Americans are morron because they eat cows & chickens

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: MachFive
Let's see....getting rid of the Nazis, the Fascists, Communists from Russia and eastern Europe, freeing South Korea....damn man. War hasn't done a single good thing!

I suppose we should have dropped flowers on Hitler's bunker and paraded around him chanting Kumbai ya? Yeah, that'd have made the world a better place.

For Aryans.

None of that would work. Hitler just needed a nice, big hug!

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: lowtech

"What are the leaders of my country doing to make the world a better place?"

None, and not one leader has forces or lied to the citizens so they can invade an other country.

Are you trying to imply that bush has lied to take control of Iraq? Please explain.

KK

Yes, I'm saying that Bush has lied to the American public about the treat to its security so he can imply the Patriotic Act. And, saying that there isn't any other way to get Saddam out of power except for war.

If you believe that, then I have a bridge that you can buy from me.

 

[tec699]

-getting nasty in here.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: lowtech

"What are the leaders of my country doing to make the world a better place?"

None, and not one leader has forces or lied to the citizens so they can invade an other country.

Your unique insight and knowledge about the truth is clearly amazing.

That's not a chemical warhead, it's Paul Newman's new jihad mustard dressing. Oops, we goofed.

It is a lucky thing that you are not the President or police, because you would arest everyone that have windows & bathroom cleaners, fertilizers, and fuel.

Don't you think everyone have some kind of chemical that could be turn into WMD. And, who is better to be judge, when America have the largest stockpile of WMDs/nukes in the world & still is developing more weapons of WMD?

The US also has violated many Geneva conventions during the Vietnam war when they were using chemical warfare on the Vietnamese, Laotian, and Cambodian. And, look no further than Korea for its hypocrite landmine practice.

 

[Kojak]

How much are you asking for the bridge?

Why don't you talk to some exiled Iraqis about Saddam's love?

One, question, lowtech: Why did you or your family leave Vietnam?

 

[Acanthus]

Yes, I'm saying that Bush has lied to the American public about the treat to its security so he can imply the Patriotic Act. And, saying that there isn't any other way to get Saddam out of power except for war.

If you believe that, then I have a bridge that you can buy from me.

Saddam was a threat to national security, thousands of vials of bio & chem weapons have been found today just south of baghdad. Boxes of thousands of vials have tested positive for Serin gas, Botulism, and some vials containing liquid are being tested for VX. They also had hundreds of pills for curing nerve agents, and documents that were "WMD how to's"

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: lowtech

"What are the leaders of my country doing to make the world a better place?"

None, and not one leader has forces or lied to the citizens so they can invade an other country.

Are you trying to imply that bush has lied to take control of Iraq? Please explain.

KK

Yes, I'm saying that Bush has lied to the American public about the treat to its security so he can imply the Patriotic Act. And, saying that there isn't any other way to get Saddam out of power except for war.

If you believe that, then I have a bridge that you can buy from me.

Positive test for terror toxins in Iraq

how much you want for your bridge?

and how else would you suggest Saddam be removed, we could take the french, russian, chineese, and german route and do everything we can to make sure he STAYS in power, but he didn't pay us off like he did them.

Open your eyes...

 

[Alistar7]

got paypal waiting for that bridge......

 

[lowtech1]

Why don't you talk to some exiled Iraqis about Saddam's love?

One, question, lowtech: Why did you or your family leave Vietnam?

I don?t know any Iraqis exiles, but the few Guatemalans, and Iranians that I have talked to has a few nasty things to say about the US.

I?m not saying that the US is the only country that does horrific things, but I was trying to say that some American citizen & its administration trying to justify the cost of war when they have no clue of what war do to people.

We left Vietnam because the Communist government doesn?t treat the people that do business with America very well. Because, we wanted a better life & economic that the NV can?t provide (could it be the 19.5 years of US sanction has to do something with this?). Because, we weren?t ?patriotic? Vietnamese that doesn?t believe in the war, therefore my family members were hunted, killed & jailed by the NV, SV, US & French.

And, because we don?t want to eat dogs

Saddam was a threat to national security, thousands of vials of bio & chem weapons have been found today just south of baghdad. Boxes of thousands of vials have tested positive for Serin gas, Botulism, and some vials containing liquid are being tested for VX. They also had hundreds of pills for curing nerve agents, and documents that were "WMD how to's"

This is the first time I have heard of it & will find out for myself. But, it still doesn't mean that he is any more of a threat than other countries that have these things stockpile.

Let go and Rambo everyone on this planet, because their government possess the weapons that the US developed, distribute, and stockpile (how hypocritical of people).

and how else would you suggest Saddam be removed, we could take the french, russian, chineese, and german route and do everything we can to make sure he STAYS in power, but he didn't pay us off like he did them.

The same way that your government has done in the past with money & the CIA.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: lowtech

"What are the leaders of my country doing to make the world a better place?"

None, and not one leader has forces or lied to the citizens so they can invade an other country.

Your unique insight and knowledge about the truth is clearly amazing.

That's not a chemical warhead, it's Paul Newman's new jihad mustard dressing. Oops, we goofed.

It is a lucky thing that you are not the President or police, because you would arest everyone that have windows & bathroom cleaners, fertilizers, and fuel.

Don't you think everyone have some kind of chemical that could be turn into WMD. And, who is better to be judge, when America have the largest stockpile of WMDs/nukes in the world & still is developing more weapons of WMD?

The US also has violated many Geneva conventions during the Vietnam war when they were using chemical warfare on the Vietnamese, Laotian, and Cambodian. And, look no further than Korea for its hypocrite landmine practice.

Yes, I have chemicals in my house that could be weaponized. But I don't have the manual to do so on my desk as well.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: lowtech

"What are the leaders of my country doing to make the world a better place?"

None, and not one leader has forces or lied to the citizens so they can invade an other country.

Are you trying to imply that bush has lied to take control of Iraq? Please explain.

KK

Yes, I'm saying that Bush has lied to the American public about the treat to its security so he can imply the Patriotic Act. And, saying that there isn't any other way to get Saddam out of power except for war.

If you believe that, then I have a bridge that you can buy from me.

Trolls don't own the bridges, they just hide under them.

 

[DoctorPizza]

Let's see....getting rid of the Nazis, the Fascists, Communists from Russia and eastern Europe, freeing South Korea....damn man. War hasn't done a single good thing!

It's WWII that put the Communists in control of easter Europe. Their removal was not achieved by war (well, not as such, as the Cold War was not really a shooting war) but rather the arms race and collapse of the Soviet Union, as well as both internal and external political pressure.

The South Koreans still live under the threat of near-total destruction at the hands of the North Koreans; the Korean ceasefire remains immensely unsatisfactory. If Kim Jong Il finally flips out then the Korean war will only have postponed large-scale destruction, rather than prevented it.

But perhaps that is the best anyone can hope for anyway.

 

[DoctorPizza]

Yes, I have chemicals in my house that could be weaponized. But I don't have the manual to do so on my desk as well.

For some chemical weapons you don't need a manual. The most primitive -- chlorine gas -- is used as-is. So the need for a manual would depend on the chemical in question.

Chlorine is probably one of those "dual-use" materials that we heard so much about.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: DoctorPizza

Yes, I have chemicals in my house that could be weaponized. But I don't have the manual to do so on my desk as well.

For some chemical weapons you don't need a manual. The most primitive -- chlorine gas -- is used as-is. So the need for a manual would depend on the chemical in question.

Chlorine is probably one of those "dual-use" materials that we heard so much about.

You're interpreting that a bit too literally. I don't think I need to restate the point, though.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: MachFive
What the hell brainwashed, backwater 3rd world country do you come from?

The winners write history. That's right. And thankfully, over the past 250 years, America has been there to lend our help to dozens of conflicts that threatened to cover the face of the earth with tyrants, despots, and dictators.

Has America been there for every conflict? No. Every country has looks out for its own interests first. But historically, we've been the one country willing to put its neck on the line for the interests of others.

Has America succeeded in our goals in the ones we've participated in? No. Every country has military failures. But historically, losses for the United States have been few and far between.

Do we have the best record of being the good guys, liberating people, and freeing people from the rule of totalitarian regimes that threaten the lives of their own inhabitants as much as the lives of those outside of their borders? F*CK YES.

And historically, we've been the best damn thing to happen to this planet since some freakin' monkey decided to stand on its hind legs and start speaking.

Does this sound arrogant? You betcha. But unlike the French, we've got every right to be on occasion, when snot-nosed punks like you speak with a voice of idiocy and ignorance. And our arrogance only surfaces when you have the gall to act like America is a plague on the earth.

Like how the US have helped Vietnam, Indonnesia, Guatamala, Chile, Cuba, Cambodia, Laos, etc...?

Just like Ho and Giap helped Vietnam? Everyone could use a little "re-education", huh?

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: DoctorPizza

Let's see....getting rid of the Nazis, the Fascists, Communists from Russia and eastern Europe, freeing South Korea....damn man. War hasn't done a single good thing!

It's WWII that put the Communists in control of easter Europe. Their removal was not achieved by war (well, not as such, as the Cold War was not really a shooting war) but rather the arms race and collapse of the Soviet Union, as well as both internal and external political pressure.

The South Koreans still live under the threat of near-total destruction at the hands of the North Koreans; the Korean ceasefire remains immensely unsatisfactory. If Kim Jong Il finally flips out then the Korean war will only have postponed large-scale destruction, rather than prevented it.

But perhaps that is the best anyone can hope for anyway.

So, in your mind, complete fascist control of Europe is preferable to the Cold War, and a Korea dominated by the current regime in North Korea would be better for the people of Seoul?

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: MachFive
What the hell brainwashed, backwater 3rd world country do you come from?

The winners write history. That's right. And thankfully, over the past 250 years, America has been there to lend our help to dozens of conflicts that threatened to cover the face of the earth with tyrants, despots, and dictators.

Has America been there for every conflict? No. Every country has looks out for its own interests first. But historically, we've been the one country willing to put its neck on the line for the interests of others.

Has America succeeded in our goals in the ones we've participated in? No. Every country has military failures. But historically, losses for the United States have been few and far between.

Do we have the best record of being the good guys, liberating people, and freeing people from the rule of totalitarian regimes that threaten the lives of their own inhabitants as much as the lives of those outside of their borders? F*CK YES.

And historically, we've been the best damn thing to happen to this planet since some freakin' monkey decided to stand on its hind legs and start speaking.

Does this sound arrogant? You betcha. But unlike the French, we've got every right to be on occasion, when snot-nosed punks like you speak with a voice of idiocy and ignorance. And our arrogance only surfaces when you have the gall to act like America is a plague on the earth.

Like how the US have helped Vietnam, Indonnesia, Guatamala, Chile, Cuba, Cambodia, Laos, etc...?

Just like Ho and Giap helped Vietnam? Everyone could use a little "re-education", huh?

You might want to go back & find out a bit more why there were Ho & Giap

And, why the dictator Diem wanted power & knowingly that he would lose if there were a democratic election that the US helped to Diem to stop the process and throw the country into a 30 years war ++ 19.5 years of embargo.

For some reason your beloved Emperor & his family got away with war crimes that the Jap & world never prosecuted for murdered 10 of millions...Why is it so?

2 millions my country men including some of my family members died by your murderous people in 3 years, but where is justice for that? (I'm not even bother with the crime that was inficted to the Chinese).

And now, to have his murderous citizen calling someone else name

 

[Sxotty]

Originally posted by: lowtech
Who knows, it could be better or worst but we wouldn't known if they were the winner & is the one that write the history.

The allies have won the war and we could have written about the war to fit our agenda.

Pretty soon he will be saying the holochaust never happened and the concentration camps were a figment of our imagination. Look it is really sad because everyone who was alive back then and actually saw it will be dead soon, and people like you will just assume it did not happen.

Lets think, you just said we should learn from history, then you turn around and say history is useless. Hmmmmmmmmm makes great sense.

 

[Sxotty]

Lowtech if you are really from Vietnam, then tell me this how can you criticize the US so much, and complain about the patriot act? Look around man. Many people are horribly jealous of the US and therefore say everything we do is bad, but geez. And it is too bad for you that America did not win the war in Vietnam your country would be better for it. I promise south koreans are happy we won there. I am sorry if you cannot grapple with the anger you feel towards Bush but it is irrelevant he will be gone in a few years regardless that is what is nice about living here.

Whether the US administration gets better is irrelevant b/c in 8 years it changes regardless.

You realize that Ho Chi Min came and asked the US for our help right? We turned him down because we were f*cking idiots and we wanted to help the french lol. So he asked the Russians and they said sure, then the French came whining to us that we needed to help them and we did.

Right now we are kicking a despot out of Iraq, if we had kicked the French out of Vietnam right after WWII none of the sh!t you are talking about owuld have happened. Sitting on your hands and letting everything go to crap is a bad idea. It comes back to haunt you that is lesson from history
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Ho Chi Minh worked for the American intelligence in Indochina during World War II, from 1943 through 1945. Although trained in Moscow, he was primarily a nationalist seeking independence for his country and sympathetically pro-American, just as Mao Zedong and Kim Il Sung were (and incidentally, Kim Jong Il is).
America financed and advised Ho until late 1945, when Truman betrayed him and gave Indochina back to the French. The United States financed and advised the French until 1954--when we betrayed them and gave Indochina to Diem.

We financed and advised Diem until 1963, when we betrayed him and gave Indochina to a succession of other failing leaders. And sent in hundreds of thousands of troops. We ended up betraying the South Vietnamese as well.

Our Ho - Fact and Fiction by Alan Trustman -- the author of the 1994 novel "Father's Day" and a dozen produced movies including the two Steve McQueen classics, "The Thomas Crown Affair" and "Bullitt" -- is an action-adventure, love story and mystery set against the background of what really happened during the early years in Vietnam.

The truth about Ho's pro-American days has been published previously in sources largely unread and out of print, but it was omitted from the Pentagon Papers. Why?

There is more:

During World War II, Ho rescued our downed pilots and provided in formation on Japanese troop movements. Our Navy and OSS loved him. At the end of WWII, Ho adopted a constitution similar to ours and declared independence. He disbanded the Communist Party and called for a general election with all parties participating. The Americans on the scene were treated as heroes, loved and celebrated by everyone.
"

The right thing was to give the people of Vietnam control, but we didn't and look were it lead.

The right thing now is to give the people of Iraq control, and I hope we do

 

[PreDatoR]

A Vietnamese Candian that obviously needs to install some plexy glass into his stomach so he can finally see while his head is completely burried up his ass.... your only here to bash the US why don't you exit the same way you came in. You can't point out anything good about Americans, only can dig up the dirt ain't that right? If we are so fvcking bad why did you move to the country that boarders the US? Fvcking Idiot! I just love how foreigners just know it all about the US, when in all reality they wouldn't know their own ass from a hole in the ground...

 

[Alistar7]

This thread is about American POW's, I can see why we are talking about vietnam, is the Hanoi Hilton still open?

The US signed an agreement with its allies at the end of ww2 stating we would help protect each others territory. We kept our word to the French, and should have left the second they did.