Nintendo Fusion Rumors (Wii U Successor)

[artemicion]

http://games.yahoo.com/news/following-wii-u-flop-nintendo-reportedly-already-prepping-174538933.html

Probably a good move on Nintendo's part to consolidate their home console and portable console platforms. Would actually be pretty awesome if it were setup so that you could do remote play on 4+ separate screens for FPS multiplayer, etc. (unless they forced you to buy the game 4+ times for each screen, which would be lame).

 

[ImpulsE69]

Uh...so basically it will be Wii-U 2? Fail.

 

[purbeast0]

already sounds gimmicky. i simply can't give nintendo any benefit of the doubt anymore. they have to win me over again if they want my business in the future.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I doubt they're ready to drop the WiiU so quickly.

 

[desura]

I doubt they're ready to drop the WiiU so quickly.

yup.

WHat they need to do is dramatically drop the price. Like, it should be $200 with the screen controller (which can't be that expensive to make...probably like $30 to manufacture)

 

[cmdrdredd]

They have to recoup some of the costs associated with the WiiU first I would think. They probably aren't really in the position to do a bunch of R&D and marketing for a new console.

Especially when you are still going to use a custom IBM cpu? I don't buy it. Just think of how all the people who invested in the WiiU will feel when they are told 2 years after it's released that it's now worthless and they won't be getting a 3D mario or a real Zelda game.

 

[Exophase]

It's a load of crap. Just the usual made up specs from some random person online that the glorified fan sites claim come from someone reliable. If anyone really wants I can go through all of the parts that I find especially conspicuous.

The funniest part about this is that the reference for the name is Nintendo registering a domain name with Fusion in it 11 years ago, and ignoring that it was intended for the Nintendo Fusion Tour they had that very same year.

 

[007ELmO]

I'm definitely on the other fence than you guys, I waste money left and right on new tech (ps4/xbox1) but I have no crap to play on there.

Are you really telling me I paid $500 to play madden in 1080p, haha.

Nintendo will always sucker many of us in with a new zelda, mario, and metroid. For some of us (me), that is enough.

Once a new Zelda comes out for the Wii-U, I will be "satisfied" with the console.

-ELmO

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'm definitely on the other fence than you guys, I waste money left and right on new tech (ps4/xbox1) but I have no crap to play on there.

Are you really telling me I paid $500 to play madden in 1080p, haha.

Nintendo will always sucker many of us in with a new zelda, mario, and metroid. For some of us (me), that is enough.

Once a new Zelda comes out for the Wii-U, I will be "satisfied" with the console.

-ELmO

If you have nothing to play, as in zero games at all...you bought the wrong games. You should be playing online. Killer Instinct, Forza, BF4, CoD, NBA 2k14 etc. all fantastic online.

 

[ImpulsE69]

If you have nothing to play, as in zero games at all...you bought the wrong games. You should be playing online. Killer Instinct, Forza, BF4, CoD, NBA 2k14 etc. all fantastic online.

Not a single game there some of us care about. Those are mass market games, except maybe for KI. I used to consider myself a hardcore gamer, but as I've watched the threads here, I've realized I'm not because some of you eat up EVERYTHING.

I think the most disturbing thing was Don't Starve going as the "game of the month" on PS4. I kind of had to laugh at that.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Not a single game there some of us care about. Those are mass market games, except maybe for KI. I used to consider myself a hardcore gamer, but as I've watched the threads here, I've realized I'm not because some of you eat up EVERYTHING.

I think the most disturbing thing was Don't Starve going as the "game of the month" on PS4. I kind of had to laugh at that.

You mean free game of the month...cause it's the new free game for PSN+ subscribers.

Besides you knew for months and months what games were coming. If you have nothing to play it's your fault for buying the console. There's plenty to play if you don't hate on everything.

 

[ImpulsE69]

You mean free game of the month...cause it's the new free game for PSN+ subscribers.

Besides you knew for months and months what games were coming. If you have nothing to play it's your fault for buying the console. There's plenty to play if you don't hate on everything.

Yea..just seemed kind of like PS4 ppl got cheated. I mean, it's a good game (I hear), but just not a good selection for a PS4 game. Meanwhile PS3 got BI, Two Brothers, DMC etc.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yea..just seemed kind of like PS4 ppl got cheated. I mean, it's a good game (I hear), but just not a good selection for a PS4 game. Meanwhile PS3 got BI, Two Brothers, DMC etc.

*shrug* free is free and I'll try it. It's difficult on a controller IMO, but I wouldn't buy it.

The PS3 has an actual library to start giving away. When I gave away my PS3 I had Infamous 1 and 2, Super Street Fighter 4 AE, Double Dragon Neon, Some oddworld game, wipeout, and a slew of other random games all for free on there. When the PS4 library beefs up there will be more and more releases to build a catalog off of. The first major one will be Drive Club PSN+ edition.

Anyway, this WiiU rumor is pretty much false as far as I'm concerned. I don't think there's any way they are ready to start over again. Not for a few years yet anyway.

 

[drbrock]

This is not going to happen anytime soon. Yes, I am sure they are working on another successor just like Sony and Microsoft are at the very infant stages of making their next gen consoles.

Wii U will finally pick up. I think they made a huge mistake by having WWHD come out instead of a new Zelda. I personally loved the remake and thought it was a great game but it was not a system seller.

I guarantee Nintendo will have a new console in 5 years. Sony and Microsoft will wait another 10 like they did before.

If Nintendo was smart they would make a powerful console(more powerful than xb1 and ps4) that gets back to basics and more in line with the main stream.

 

[Doppel]

a hybrid device called the Nintendo Fusion. It will look to build on the success of Nintendo’s various portable video game consoles like the 3DS by combining a handheld console and a home console

Now that is indeed novel. Nobody has ever--oh wait, yeah Nintendo already did that.

 

[cmdrdredd]

This is not going to happen anytime soon. Yes, I am sure they are working on another successor just like Sony and Microsoft are at the very infant stages of making their next gen consoles.

Wii U will finally pick up. I think they made a huge mistake by having WWHD come out instead of a new Zelda. I personally loved the remake and thought it was a great game but it was not a system seller.

I guarantee Nintendo will have a new console in 5 years. Sony and Microsoft will wait another 10 like they did before.

If Nintendo was smart they would make a powerful console(more powerful than xb1 and ps4) that gets back to basics and more in line with the main stream.

That might help but without an online system as robust as PSN and XBL they still won't garner as much in the sales as the PS4 and XB1.

 

[artemicion]

The rumors are probably crap, especially with respect to the specs, but I do hope that there's some truth to the rumor that Nintendo is developing a unified home/portable platform. Remote play is one of the few things the Wii U did right. If they can build on that and develop a platform that can do multiplayer remote play or remote play outside the home, that could be a significant coup over Sony and Microsoft. Local co-op/multiplayer seems to be the one thing Nintendo has been doing better than Sony and Microsoft.

 

[dguy6789]

Zero chance

 

[zerocool84]

Yea..just seemed kind of like PS4 ppl got cheated. I mean, it's a good game (I hear), but just not a good selection for a PS4 game. Meanwhile PS3 got BI, Two Brothers, DMC etc.

Because there aren't a ton of games in general to give away for free. How many consoles have ever given away free games when it barely comes out?

 

[Arkaign]

That might help but without an online system as robust as PSN and XBL they still won't garner as much in the sales as the PS4 and XB1.

Yep, and I think Nintendo is honestly okay with that. They can be very profitable without massive numbers just by having great management.

I fully agree that they had too little in the way of IP this time around though. It really really would have helped them to sit on the WiiU for another year or two, wait for better hardware to come down in price, and come out of the gate with an awesome library + a nice gimmicky add-in.

IMHO the killer add-in given the growing retro craze could have been both packing in Super Mario 3d World as the free game, along with a couple dozen virtual console games from the history of Nintendo from the NES through the N64 eras. Now THAT would have sold like wildfire, particularly if they hit $199 to start.

The tablet thing to me just seems like a mistake, and always has. Making android/ipad app, sure, but it just took away from too much resources that could have been used to make the fundamentals better. I know that a non-pack-in doesn't get nearly the same amount of support, but I also can't think of much in the way that could make the WiiU tablet a 'must-have'. All of the best games on WiiU would have been great with or without that stupid thing.

 

[Ancalagon44]

This is how I know this is utter bullshit:

Custom Radeon HD RX 200 graphics that deliver “2816 shaders @ 960 MHz, 4.60 TFLOP/s, Fillrates: 60.6 Gpixel/s, 170 Gtexel/s.”

That would be a top spec graphics card. about twice as powerful as even the PS4. And we are expected to believe Nintendo will deploy that in a home console? Nintendo, famously conservative with their hardware?

Just so much fail. How did this make news?

 

[Adrenaline]

I bought a Wii U after I had a PS4. I like it and it is fine, but it lacks things for me to spend money on. That is Nintendo's problem and I have heard it from other people posting on other sites.

I bought mine for Mario 3DW, Zelda WWHD, DuckTales and for when Mario Kart along with SSB comes out. I know it is expensive for little but their issue is the games just are not there. They have good games but lack a number of them.

Their VC lacks tremendously. They have a massive catalog of games and are unable to put them on the VC due to various issues.

This is my secondary console to go along with my PS4. I bought a 3DS before Christmas as well. I do not plan on purchasing any more consoles for quite a while.

 

[Arkaign]

As a target ~4 years out I could see it easily. But yeah, by then it wouldn't be a RX 200 series anyway. To say the least, this rumor is silly to the extreme.

I have a plan for Nintendo that *would* make them pretty successful though :

Greatly enhance the virtual console offerings.
Bring out 2nd gen WiiU for this fall, with a slimmer/lighter tablet, and a $199 bundle w/Super Mario 3d World. Keep good 1st-party games coming out steadily (aim for one a quarter at least).

Then for Xmas 2018, bring out the post-Wii console. Give it a new naming convention, but let it be fully compatible with the Wii/WiiU library (should be easy via emulation). By that time they could very very easily leapfrog the PS4/XB1 in power by a pretty large amount and not break the bank either. MSRP for $299 with a solid pack-in, and I think Nintendo would have a good footing for years to come, because it's likely that PS5/XboxWhatever won't hit for at least 8 years from release, so Christmas 2021?

 

[mizzou]

Whatever hardware they put out, it won't be as exciting as xbone or ps4

ALSO , Nintendo has enough cash on hand to survive the flop that is the WiiU. It's not like they broke the bank making that piece of crap.

They will plan on riding it out for a few years.... but when 3rd party completely abandons it, it will be interesting to see what they do.


All they need to do is just open an Indie shop and make it super easy for people to dev on it.

 

[Arkaign]

Whatever hardware they put out, it won't be as exciting as xbone or ps4

ALSO , Nintendo has enough cash on hand to survive the flop that is the WiiU. It's not like they broke the bank making that piece of crap.

They will plan on riding it out for a few years.... but when 3rd party completely abandons it, it will be interesting to see what they do.


All they need to do is just open an Indie shop and make it super easy for people to dev on it.

If they leapfrog PS4/XB1, it could actually be pretty exciting. It should be doable even on Nintendo's budget thinking.

Right now, or the next year or two obviously not (this rumor is beyond BS!), but in 4.5 years it will be the latter half of 2018. We'll be well into the 14nm process range, desktop PCs will probably have 32GB or even 64GB of ram by then, 8GB video cards, 1TB SSDs will be fairly pedestrian.

So a midrange console should be easy to make that's considerably more powerful than PS4/XB1 at that time.

We've been stuck on a very slow node for a loooooooong time with 28nm. So progress has only really happened with massive die sizes. 14nm will take that and put it on its head for sure. By late 2018 a $99 video card should have 4GB of GDDR6 and perform beyond 290X levels.

Unless something really dramatic happens to stop progress, that's what it's gonna be.

Look at this :

Summer 2008 : Nvidia releases GTX280 1GB for $649, Intel releases Q9650 3Ghz for $530. Common ram is DDR2, high end systems typically have 4GB. SSDs are extremely rare.

Summer 2012 : Nvidia has GTX680 2GB for $499, Intel releases 3770K 3.5Ghz/3.9Ghz for $300ish, Common ram is DDR3, high end systems typically have 8GB or more. SSDs are extremely common.

That's less than 4 years, for a good bit more than double the performance across the board. And that's with a pretty good stagnation in process tech. We're finally on the verge of some long-awaited breakthroughs that will have 20, 16, 14 all hitting in the next few years.

So without a doubt 1000%, a midrange console that could be sold for $299 in holiday 2018 could massively leapfrog the PS4/XB1. It might even be able to do 4K decently. However, the big question would remain, would Nintendo :

Want to do what is necessary to attract 3rd parties, and if so, would they be capable of doing so? The hardware is the easy part by then, the business side of things, not so easy.