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Thala

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With PS4 Neo and Scorpio, they are high performance PCs equivalent while Tegra is a mobile chip. The gap will be even larger.

Except of course, that we do not know much of this Tegra chip. Could be 8-core Cortex A73 + Pascal (with reasonable amount of CUs) and we would already be past XBox One and PS4 performance.
 

DaveSimmons

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All the third party X1 - PS4 titles being skipped doesn't mean this will fail if they play up the mobile aspect.

Allowing for easy creation of HD versions of 3DS titles would give it a potentially huge library of future mobile releases.

Supporting existing 3DS titles through direct emulation or an X1/360 style porting library would give it a large library of existing games.
 
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So rather than be forward looking, you are suggesting 3DS emulation and such so Nintendo can sell a new console based on it's former glory...
 

poofyhairguy

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I already made room on my desk for it!!!!


iOS ports plus Nintendo's game library= greatest portable console of all time. Heck we might see a Nintendo console with Final Fantasy 7 on it finally, and why not when iOS and Android both have it? That sounded like a pipe dream 20 years ago!

I was wanting Nintendo to develop for iOS/Android but this way is way better for them. This way they will get about the same game library, but with more control (no freemium garbage parents!) and it forces people to buy hardware if they want Nintendo first party games. Cross platform (iOS) first party games with a better/richer experience on the Nintendo side will sell like hotcakes. Imagine if the 3DS had a better version of Pokemon Go right now.

As someone who wants to see Nintendo to survive in the hardware business I applaud the move. Those who were expecting 4K console ports or an online network or PS4 Neo-level hardware haven't been paying attention to Nintendo's actual key competencies lately. Glad they looked in the mirror before it was too late.
 

railven

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So rather than be forward looking, you are suggesting 3DS emulation and such so Nintendo can sell a new console based on it's former glory...

That's just one avenue of games that can be released. Not sure how closely you follow consoles, but I'd wager 30-40% of Xbone/PS4 catalog is HD Remasters. This excludes Indie titles, I mean retail bought games.

Who's ready for Skyrim HD? Or Bioshock HD? Not enough? Resident Evil 4 is allegedly getting the re-re-HD treatment!

iOS ports plus Nintendo's game library= greatest portable console of all time. Heck we might see a Nintendo console with Final Fantasy 7 on it finally, and why not when iOS and Android both have it? That sounded like a pipe dream 20 years ago!

I was wanting Nintendo to develop for iOS/Android but this way is way better for them. This way they will get about the same game library, but with more control (no freemium garbage parents!) and it forces people to buy hardware if they want Nintendo first party games. Cross platform (iOS) first party games with a better/richer experience on the Nintendo side will sell like hotcakes. Imagine if the 3DS had a better version of Pokemon Go right now.

As someone who wants to see Nintendo to survive in the hardware business I applaud the move. Those who were expecting 4K console ports or an online network or PS4 Neo-level hardware haven't been paying attention to Nintendo's actual key competencies lately. Glad they looked in the mirror before it was too late.

Here is to hoping Nintendo executes well. Judging from the NoeGaf reactions, it seems people have high interesting.

Another thing I hope Nintendo doesn't price it wrong. That can deter a lot of would be buyers, especially if the catalog isn't prime.
 

Zstream

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That's just one avenue of games that can be released. Not sure how closely you follow consoles, but I'd wager 30-40% of Xbone/PS4 catalog is HD Remasters. This excludes Indie titles, I mean retail bought games.



Who's ready for Skyrim HD? Or Bioshock HD? Not enough? Resident Evil 4 is allegedly getting the re-re-HD treatment!







Here is to hoping Nintendo executes well. Judging from the NoeGaf reactions, it seems people have high interesting.



Another thing I hope Nintendo doesn't price it wrong. That can deter a lot of would be buyers, especially if the catalog isn't prime.



The deterrent is the lack of AAA titles. I'm not buying a Nintendo device, a Sony console, and another damn GPU. It's a shame that haven't learned
 

Yakk

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The more I read about this...

The more it sounds like nvidia just sold Nintendo their next android tablet and Nintendo designed a custom case and controllers around it.
 

Red Hawk

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No they didn't. Xbone was even worse with the Kinect 2.0 cost.

Yes they did. A teardown of the PS4 revealed that its components would only cost $381, $18 less than its original sale price. The Kinect made XB1 more expensive, but it also initially sold for $499, and was cut down to $399 when they took out Kinect.

Well if the console is a hybrid designed by Nintendo, you have to factor their mobile relevance.

If the console is sold separately as an accessory or is part of the whole package from the start, that is what I want to know most.

If the console is a hybrid that sacrifices home console performance to make it work, then that's just disappointing to me. Does anyone remember when Ocarina of Time was one of the most jaw-dropping experiences you could get on a home console? Anyone?

You'd have a stronger leg to stand on if Nintendo actually launched with a strong 1st party line up and not $300 for what was basically an OC'd Wii. Nintendo had a drought basically for almost a whole year, leaving people to play bad ports and Mario Wii U for that period.

And if you take a look at the big Wii U hardware sales bumps, they all correspond with a 1st party release title or price cut.

Well who's responsibility is it that the Wii U launched with an underwhelming 1st party lineup? Nintendo's. Why should we think Nintendo will do better supporting the NX this time around?
 

eddman

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Yes they did. A teardown of the PS4 revealed that its components would only cost $381, $18 less than its original sale price. The Kinect made XB1 more expensive, but it also initially sold for $499, and was cut down to $399 when they took out Kinect.

That's not the whole picture. They also need to make up all the research, development, marketing and advertising expenses too. Still, since I don't know the actual costs to revenue ratio, it's still possible that they made some profit off of the hardware, although I doubt it can be much, if any.
 
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Red Hawk

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That's not the whole picture. They also need to make up all the development, marketing and advertising expenses too.

That's true, but my point is they were making a profit off of each unit sold individually, unlike the 360/PS3.
 

VulgarDisplay

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Who is this even for Nintendo? Everyone caught on to their gimmick with the original Wii. It was cool for about a week then they sat and collected dust in peoples entertainment centers. Then no one bought the Wiiu . This just sounds like they are doubling down on another gimmicky piece of hardware.

Anyone with a cell phone has zero reason to buy mobile console.

Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk
 

Rezist

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I dont see a cellphone chip offering up much performance, but looking at pokemon go I see why this could be a brilliant move, right now parents have to offer up a freaking cell phone to a child to play pokemon, with this they might not need the cell contract. With it's own screen it keeps the TV available to the parents as well.

The question IMO is the upgrade period, phones move so fast. I could see a new one ever 3-4 years.
 

Rezist

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iOS ports plus Nintendo's game library= greatest portable console of all time. Heck we might see a Nintendo console with Final Fantasy 7 on it finally, and why not when iOS and Android both have it? That sounded like a pipe dream 20 years ago!

I was wanting Nintendo to develop for iOS/Android but this way is way better for them. This way they will get about the same game library, but with more control (no freemium garbage parents!) and it forces people to buy hardware if they want Nintendo first party games. Cross platform (iOS) first party games with a better/richer experience on the Nintendo side will sell like hotcakes. Imagine if the 3DS had a better version of Pokemon Go right now.

As someone who wants to see Nintendo to survive in the hardware business I applaud the move. Those who were expecting 4K console ports or an online network or PS4 Neo-level hardware haven't been paying attention to Nintendo's actual key competencies lately. Glad they looked in the mirror before it was too late.


Hell beyond Sony all Japanese game development can't handle new console tech, this will give an avenue to a ton of developers that can't compete with the west on an exclusive platform.
 

Red Hawk

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Anyone with a cell phone has zero reason to buy mobile console.

Well no, that's not true, as the success of the 3DS should make abundantly clear. The advantages of a handheld console over smartphones are:

A. Standard physical controls that you don't have to buy some accessory to use. Companies like Logitech, Mad Catz, etc., have tried making controller add-ons for iOS and Android, but nothing has caught on. This makes controller support in games spotty, and games that are actually designed with controllers in mind rare.

B. A software library that doesn't have to sacrifice its content on the altar of free-to-play. You could never make games like Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds, Super Smash Bros, or a main series Pokemon game for the mobile phone market. The market is just inhospitable to the idea of an original, full-fledged game like you see on home consoles and Nintendo handhelds.

C. Specific to the 3DS, the dual screen design and the 3D screen. Both of which I appreciate (especially with the face-tracking 3D effect on the New 3DS).
 

railven

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Yes they did. A teardown of the PS4 revealed that its components would only cost $381, $18 less than its original sale price. The Kinect made XB1 more expensive, but it also initially sold for $499, and was cut down to $399 when they took out Kinect.

Okay, now factor in retail overhead, distribution, and packaging cost.

Unless you think those 3 things were covered by the remaining $18. And you're link doesn't even look at the Xbone which cost more to make because of the EDRAM and Kinect.

If the console is a hybrid that sacrifices home console performance to make it work, then that's just disappointing to me. Does anyone remember when Ocarina of Time was one of the most jaw-dropping experiences you could get on a home console? Anyone?

That's perfectly fine. Clearly Nintendo isn't moving in a direction you like. However, judging the response from forums that get 100x more the visitors than this site does, I don't think Nintendo has to worry much.

Well who's responsibility is it that the Wii U launched with an underwhelming 1st party lineup? Nintendo's. Why should we think Nintendo will do better supporting the NX this time around?

It is Nintendo's fault for not providing a strong line up for the Wii U. No one said otherwise. But the only console in Nintendo history to have poor 1st party titles failed. Which is the point I was making.

With Zelda already in the works for NX, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a launch title, or relatively close. Which would be a stronger start than the poor Wii U had.
 

sirmo

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If this rumor is true.. I really think this was a huge missed opportunity by Nintendo.

They could have for the first time had a best of both worlds console on the market. A console with all the Nintendo franchise games plus an easy path for non exclusive AAA titles. It could have been THE console to get.

Instead they are trying to do a repeat of Wii and don't realize that most people who bought Wii's [which was a lot] were later turned off by the lack of AAA titles coming to the console.

Not a fan of Microsoft, but I think Microsoft is going to have the most successful console in the next gen. The PC-Xbox unification is a big deal.
 

Triloby

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I don't know what to think about this....

On one hand, the NX will not be another PS4 or XB1, which might be a good thing as there's nothing wrong with a little variety within the console market. And if the rumors of the NX using the Tegra X2 hardware are even slightly true (which I highly doubt IMO), then Nintendo actually has a chance of being relevant again. Unless they plan to stick with the Tegra X1, in which case, their hardware will barely keep up in the coming years.

On the other hand, Nintendo has implicitly admitted that they are incapable of competing in the console market, and that most people are not interested in another tablet controller. If they're serious about the console+handheld, all-in-one system they're planning to sell, they better start going all out on it. Because if they just half ass the NX like they did with the Wii and Wii U, Nintendo is going to fall even further behind in the gaming industry. The absolute lack of 3rd party games for their systems aren't doing them any favors either.
 

Red Hawk

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Okay, now factor in retail overhead, distribution, and packaging cost.

Unless you think those 3 things were covered by the remaining $18. And you're link doesn't even look at the Xbone which cost more to make because of the EDRAM and Kinect.

What would be the total factoring all that in? Can you actually provide some numbers? As for Xbox One, I already noted that it was sold at an extra $100 to compensate for the Kinect. Its ESRAM would be counterbalanced by its use of DDR3 memory instead of GDDR5 and a smaller GPU section of the processor die.

That's perfectly fine. Clearly Nintendo isn't moving in a direction you like. However, judging the response from forums that get 100x more the visitors than this site does, I don't think Nintendo has to worry much.

Oh yay, users on forums. Clearly a reliable measurement of how well the thing is going to sell. The thing about the NX is that even if it does sell well, it doesn't seem like a solution to Nintendo's home console problems. It's more like an admission of defeat, and that's not something I can feel happy about.

It is Nintendo's fault for not providing a strong line up for the Wii U. No one said otherwise. But the only console in Nintendo history to have poor 1st party titles failed. Which is the point I was making.

With Zelda already in the works for NX, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a launch title, or relatively close. Which would be a stronger start than the poor Wii U had.

And that console with poor 1st party titles was the very last one. Betting on first party software immediately after that is like seeing a horse come in dead last in a race despite having strong legs, and then turning around and betting on it to win the next race because it has strong legs. Those legs didn't make it win last time around, why should they this time?? You said that's what you think Nintendo will do, and I'm saying that would be foolish to do and shows that Nintendo learned nothing from the Wii U's failure.

Yes the NX will have Breath of the Wild, but that's essentially leftovers from the Wii U. One game won't change things if Nintendo fails to have a full lineup of first-party software again.
 
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Is PC-Xbox unification bigger than a possible console-mobile(phone) unification? Not so sure.

Just look at Pokeman Go. There certainly is a huge market. I have always thought there is an opportunity for a console that merges phone and console games. Whether it works out or not is another question. My big reservation is whether people that are used to "free" games on phones are going to be willing to pay console prices. OTOH, I could see a big market for flagship NX games that one could also play on their phone at reduced settings, or some supplemental type gameplay that could be done on the go.

I also am not sure Nintendo should even compete for AAA titles with play station and xbone. Do we really need COD 25 or Battlefield 101 for the Wi? One of the biggest criticisms, and the reason I am not even interested in an upcoming AAA DX12 console ports is that innovation is sorely lacking. Perhaps we need something different to shake things up. After all, competition is good, no?
 

swilli89

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My point is, you're acting like it won't be. Which is ridiculous.
Listen to yourself.

Call of duty is essentially developed by the same team for PS4 and Xbone. Even IF its just as easy to develop for, 3rd party companies are going to have make the same decision they had to before; do they really want to dedicate another team for a low user install base Nintendo? Nintendo lost most 3rd party support when they realized it just wasn't worth it to create a whole new port with worse graphics and new limitations nonetheless.

If a possible Tegra X2 is fast enough, then I'm all for it. Just saying I don't want nintendo to once again alienate 3rd party devs.
 

beginner99

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As Pokemon Go is showing, there is still a huge casual market that doesn't need the best graphics to enjoy themselves.

Most of their best sellers are handheld games, which aren't graphically demanding.

Given this logic, wouldn't it make more sense to just sell mobile games for iOS and Android and save the whole hardware development costs?

I don't see the strategy working. Pokemon Go works because you don't need any extra gear. You have your smartphone with you anyway. This can't be said for a handheld. What can a handled possibly offer over running the same software on a smartphone? Better Graphics? Well you just said graphics aren't important...What else? I can only think of saving of smartphones battery at the cost of carrying around a second device.

I don't see this working. There is a small market yes, but a small one.
 
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