You people are honestly shameful.
I would like to throw in that parents see the DS line as "cheap enough to not care if it breaks" and "takes a bit more than just a drop to break it", both points that no other device on the market can really claim for itself.Yeah. Nintendo is what's left of handheld gaming. The more I think about it, if this thing really is thick like the Shield, it's not going to work. Portability and battery life is why Nintendo was able to last this long in handhelds while others failed.
It's not a disagreement. I am making a statement of fact. Thats why I'm annoyed. And you're shameful because you're so intent on not admitting that you're wrong or confused that you're resorting to twisting my words around and being intentionally obtuse.
In response to your prior post, the NX is rumored to have all the features I listed. And even if it didn't, thats irrelevant, the point is that dedicated handhelds have countless gaming specific features phones and tablets never will. Respond to THAT point instead of being obtuse.
There is quite a bit of interest in disrupting the traditional handheld games console market out there, though obviously none of these have been particularly successful so far
The question is why they haven't been successful though. My guess is that no matter how much these various companies want to turn a tablet or tablet like device into gaming devices, they all suffer from the same fatal flaw, they don't have any games that make them more compelling than the smartphone that everyone already owns.
This is where Nintendo (and Sony to some degree) shines, they do actually have games that make them stand out and can thus provide a handheld experience that is sufficiently better than angry birds on a smartphone to actually make people care enough to buy it.
The only problem with this, however, is that Nintendo will need way more than 1st party games for the NX to sell. If Nintendo hadn't gone out of their way to alienate so many 3rd party developers out there, the NX could easily be a better value proposition compared to the Wii U.
Yes, proper handheld games are a far superior experience compared to playing Angry Birds or Candy Crush on smartphones, but Nintendo's 1st party games won't be enough to sell the system. They also need proper handheld games from 3rd parties to successfully leverage the NX. This is something I'm not so sure they can do, but I'd like for Nintendo to prove me wrong there.
The only problem with this, however, is that Nintendo will need way more than 1st party games for the NX to sell. If Nintendo hadn't gone out of their way to alienate so many 3rd party developers out there, the NX could easily be a better value proposition compared to the Wii U.
Perhaps an alliance of sorts with Nvidia will help Nintendo attract third-party developers? Nvidia (albeit in a different market) has a strong relationship with engine and game developers, and has, to some extent, worked with them to bring games to Shield (and the Grid service).
If Nintendo has somewhat less proprietary hardware as well as a strong partner in Nvidia, it could be a win win for both companies and gamers, who could end up with more access to 3rd party games on a Nintendo platform.
Hope springs eternal.
I think Nintendo is trying to differentiate itself from 2 big juggernauts here (Sony,Microsoft) since those two already have a refresh in the works (Neo/Scorpio) and Nintendo isn't going to make a loss from day 1. Think about it. It would be suicide to target PS4, Xbone now when dev will probably prioritise Neo, Scorpio more (with the PS4, Xbone gfx toned down a bit PC settings style). Having a unique product that differentiate from the PC-like box both Sony, Microsoft is doing will surely have an audience that's willing to buy it IF it is priced right.
Nintendo will most likely combine all their experience making gaming hardware (3DS and all that) and try to make a hybrid that's good for gaming on the move and gaming on the living room too. Think a PS Vita + PS4 hybrid. HD gaming on the move when out. Full HD when docked. It could work if it's done right.
About the SoC, it isn't surprising seeing Nvidia here. With AMD having a blast with nearly every developer out there coding to the metal for GCN, Nvidia is trying to up a notch with AMD. If Nvidia (and Nintendo) could convince 3rd party to the NX then Nvidia will also get the "console effect" AMD is having now for it's PC GPU. Instant GPU love from dev . But how they do it depends. With Nvidia already having experiences convincing dev to use its GPU features via GameWorks (Incentives, lots of it), I think this is why Nintendo chose Nvidia over AMD, a (slightly) easy way to attract 3rd party. But that's just speculation on my part (AMD could do that too. But how did GameWorks exist again :awe.
As for the processing behind it, I think it's safe to say slightly below PS4/Xbone. We never did see how Tegra X1 will do when it's coding to the metal or how would it looked if Nvidia custom modified it for Nintendo. With 1 quad-core cluster when docked (A57) and another cluster for on the move (A53) (remember X1 used cluster migration), it will have decent battery life and performance when not docked and full on blazing when docked. Not too mention X1 1Tflops FP16 performance Nintendo will probably used often when developing games for it.
If Nintendo do manage to get Tegra X2 (or P1 since Pascal) then well I imagine it'll probably already be close but marginally below Neo, Scorpio performance. How can I say that? Well both still use Jaguar netbook processor and an updated GCN. X2 (or P1) will use Denver rev2 with Pascal. Denver has a instruction cache for storing optimize code right? Imagine if already highly optimize code were already in there? (Akin to how Android ART AoT compilation works). Again it's just speculation.
We can only know it when Nintendo unveil it. But I think it won't be under powered for a while. I might be wrong though.
But have Nintendo really alienated 3rd part developers on their hand held consoles?
I know that the Wii and Wii U has both been very poor when it comes to 3rd party developer support, but it was not my impression that the 3DS was suffering from this as well.
There is no scenario where 3rd party title compatibility is a drawback.
People continue to insist a traditional console play is bad for Nintendo. In the same breath, people talk about how Nintendo doesn't need to do a traditional console because their 1st party titles draw people to the platform regardless.
Flip it around.
If Nintendo NX was as fast as the Xbone and compatible, buyers would compare all the consoles and find that in exchange for losing a few graphics details (e.g. "turning down" settings) and slightly lower FPS in exchange for gaining access to the library of Nintendo 1st party titles WITHOUT giving up any 3rd party titles either. An analogy: Would the average buyer rather buy a gaming PC today with a R9 390 and access to all of Nintendo's library, exclusives and supported Virtual Console or would you rather give all that up and buy the same PC with a 1070 and normal access. I think many average buyers would care more about the library than the hardware.
If all 3rd party titles were on all 3 console families, it comes down to a battle of the exclusives. The sentiment is that Nintendo has always has the best exclusives/1st party titles/Virtual Console. Now that Uncharted / Halo / Killzone / Forza have been done to death I very much doubt those franchises have the pull they used to.
There is no scenario where 3rd party title compatibility is a drawback.
Now do I think Nintendo will do this? No. They have a history of not doing this and I doubt they'll change now.
If Nintendo does end up using the Tegra X2 for the NX, then there's probably a chance that it'll be a cut down version of the SoC to help save on costs. I imagine that the Tegra X2 is not a cheap piece of hardware to begin with.
No it won't! Dedicated handhelds do NOT compete with phones. Entirely different markets.
Nope, where did you even get this BS from?
Utterly irrelevant...
You're suggesting that a person who wants to play Smash Bros and Mario Kart is going to look at the price of the NX and instead decide, "nah, I'll just us my phone, where I can play none of the games I want and which offers none of the same capabilities." It's a laughable idea.
Phone gaming does not compete with dedicated handhelds...
I really don't know what more has to be said. They are entirely different experiences, they offer entirely different capabilities. People have been claiming phones will take over the handheld market for a decade. It's never happened. There's zero indication it's ever going to happen. Other than people like my mom, who had a Gameboy solely for Tetris, phone gaming simply cannot compete. That's why Nintendo is attacking the phone market separately from this. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT ARENAS.
Please, can we purge ourselves of this misconception? There's no evidence for it whatsoever and it seems to survive on inertia alone.
I agree that right now is not the right time for Nintendo to go for a pure console play, if they ever want to get back into that market they will probably have to time it for the next generation.
As such either a pure handheld or a hybrid device does seem like the right move to me.
I don't think choosing Tegra has anything to do with Nvidia wanting a leg up with 3rd party developers, remember handheld games (and Nintendo games in general), never really show up on the PC, so Nvidia wouldn't gain anything from being in the NX.
I think the reason for choosing Nvidia has nothing to do with 3rd party developers, but is instead based on a much simpler fact: Nvidia offers the single fastest mobile GPU in this TDP range, regardless of whether we are talking about the X1 or the X2.
Tegra X1 is quite a bit worse than "slightly below PS4/Xbone", it should be roughly 1/3 of PS4/Xbone.
Tegra X2 is an unknown at this point, but at best it might match an Xbox One or PS4, no way it will get anywhere near Neo or Scorpio.
Either way though I agree that the NX won't be underpowered for quite a while with either the X1 or the X2, at least from the handheld console perspective.
http://wccftech.com/nintendo-nx-rec...s-launch-several-third-parties-already-board/
Looks like some of you was right. Graphics fall between PS3 and PS4. Not that bad.