Nintendo's Next Platform NX Combines Console And Handheld In Some Way

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Ayrahvon

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"I don't get why not every likes the Wii U because I like it."

We're not all you. I mean, I like my Wii U, but its library is lacking and networked gaming experiences just aren't as good as the competition. I think it's really generous to say that the Wii U has "a lot" of exclusives, unless you're going to acknowledge the same for the other platforms. That you're not a fan of Halo, Forza, Sunset Overdrive, MLB: The Show, Bloodborne, and the rest of the stuff the other consoles offer, that doesn't make them non-existent.

No - I don't get why so many people just outwardly hate it. I don't dislike the other two consoles, and if you aren't a dedicated PC gamer - completely get why someone would purchase one. If you're really into baseball games, the PS4 is a must own for The Show (likewise for other exclusives you named). It's not that the other two consoles lack exclusives, it's that the Wii U has significantly more and has a very different play style to what you will find for PC - or the other two consoles.

I'll very likely be buying a PS4 or Xbox One in the future, but with the current games out I'd rather wait for their collections to be better.

I'll wait for more details on the NX for any sort of judgment - it'll be a long while before it comes out.
 

cmdrdredd

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No - I don't get why so many people just outwardly hate it. I don't dislike the other two consoles, and if you aren't a dedicated PC gamer - completely get why someone would purchase one. If you're really into baseball games, the PS4 is a must own for The Show (likewise for other exclusives you named). It's not that the other two consoles lack exclusives, it's that the Wii U has significantly more and has a very different play style to what you will find for PC - or the other two consoles.

I'll very likely be buying a PS4 or Xbox One in the future, but with the current games out I'd rather wait for their collections to be better.

I'll wait for more details on the NX for any sort of judgment - it'll be a long while before it comes out.

That bolded part is wrong to me. A lot of people make that statement and it's utterly dumb IMO. I play games on PC but still find stuff to play on Xb1 and PS4. You've got to be blind not to see all the games that don't come to PC or are just better on consoles. Diablo 3 was infinitely more enjoyable with a controller for example. Not to mention the disasters like Batman Arkham knight. I finished the game on PS4 before they fixed the PC game to something in a playable state.
 
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Lil Frier

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No - I don't get why so many people just outwardly hate it. I don't dislike the other two consoles, and if you aren't a dedicated PC gamer - completely get why someone would purchase one. If you're really into baseball games, the PS4 is a must own for The Show (likewise for other exclusives you named). It's not that the other two consoles lack exclusives, it's that the Wii U has significantly more and has a very different play style to what you will find for PC - or the other two consoles.

See, I think you're just assuming two possible extremes of pro- and anti- Wii U sentiment. I have one. I like enough games on it. That doesn't mean I can't rail on it for things like horrible networked gaming and a dearth of titles, when put against the competition. That railing also doesn't make me like playing Smash and Woolly World and Kart with my family and friends less, nor does it un-hype me for the potential of Pokken Tournament (though hearing the arcade version in Japan has only 10 character hurts me greatly).

I'll also disagree heavily with two things here:

1. I love baseball. It's my favorite sport by 18 million miles over the rest. I'd love to have a game to play on Xbox One that wasn't trash (for the record, I really liked MLB 2K). HOWEVER, my desire to play a good baseball game again doesn't reach into the realm of spending $350+ on a console just so I can spend another $60 to play one game. There are a couple of other things I MIGHT find to play on PS4, but nothing I want so badly it justifies the console purchase right now.

2. I can't disagree more heavily about the Wii U's "original experiences" and greater exclusive quantity. Well, maybe it has more exclusives, but the library is still rather full of shovelware, and it's highly redundant. New Super Mario Bros. U, Super Luigi U, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Super Mario Maker, and Yoshi's Woolly World are all ultimately platformers with twists. Some make the games play quite differently, but the genre is also so basic that there's little of an adjustment period from one of those games to the next. You can lump Super Mario 3D World into that group as well, really. So, it ends up being that the Wii U grabs my attention for, like, 4 platformers, Smash, and Kart, with Party a giant disaster and uncertainty of depth/quality with Tennis right now.

To me, the Wii U as I consume it essentially offers 3 experiences right now--arcade racing, fighting, and platforming. Sure, you might want Wonderful 101 or Baynoetta 2 or Hyrule Warriors, and that's fine. However, when I put the 3 basic things that interest me about the console against my Xbox One exclusives, it doesn't compare. My Xbox gives me SUCH different experiences on many levels between FPS (Halo), racing (Forza), TPS (Gears, Sunset, Quantum Break), and the variety of titles in Rare Replay. And while the third-party stuff might not be exclusive, when it's between picking the Wii U and something else, the availability of those multi-platform titles matters, and it makes the competing hard SO much more diverse and deep with games.

That bolded part is wrong to me. A lot of people make that statement and it's utterly dumb IMO. I play games on PC but still find stuff to play on Xb1 and PS4. You've got to be blind not to see all the games that don't come to PC or are just better on consoles. Diablo 3 was infinitely more enjoyable with a controller for example. Not to mention the disasters like Batman Arkham knight. I finished the game on PS4 before they fixed the PC game to something in a playable state.

I agree, and since you mentioned it, Arkham Knight is going to be re-released on PC on Wednesday, October 28th. You still can't get it on Steam.
 

JujuFish

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You've got to be blind not to see all the games that don't come to PC
Uh, did you not even read the post you were responding to?
Not to mention the disasters like Batman Arkham knight. I finished the game on PS4 before they fixed the PC game to something in a playable state.
Congratulations? Does that make you feel special or something?
 

cmdrdredd

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Uh, did you not even read the post you were responding to?

Congratulations? Does that make you feel special or something?

Yes it does make me feel special. Yes I read the post but people always make the false statement that a PS4 or XB1 have the same games as PC and the WiiU is so different. I can play platformers anywhere and those seem to be the only games worth mentioning on a Nintendo console.

Maybe you should follow the conversation a little better.
 
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Fulle

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The Wii U isn't an enormous amount of money. As a videogame enthusiast, I wasn't quite able to justify skipping Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and Genei Ibun Roku ♯FE, so I own a Wii U.

That said I do agree with some comments that Nintendo first party games have been more "hit or miss" than the "always a hit" that Nintendo fans sometimes suggest. When I look at Nintendo's list of exclusives for the Wii U, I see a lot of shuvelware and games for casual players. Games for the core audience are the exception.

Which is why I think that the PS4 is actually the best 2nd console. Like Nintendo, Sony has it's share of misses (looking at you The Order 1886), but unlike Nintendo, Sony is much more likely to aim it's investments dollars at games for the core gamer audience. They throw 100s of millions of dollars at games like God of War and Uncharted. Nintendo still has games like Zelda, and they bought Monolith Soft, but they just simply invest less of their resources into games for core gamers, than Sony does.

It's also true that Playstation is a very strong platform for 3rd party games. There's the common argument that Nintendo is better for kids games, but are they really? When they lack 3rd party support? AAA games often skip the Wii U due to hardware limitations, but even indie titles like Terraria can take years to get ported over to Nintendo's consoles. Playstation gets excellent support from big and small third parties. A recent example, is that 'Dragon Quest Builders' is a Playstation exclusive so far... The PS4 is also very often used as the lead platform for Japanese developed games, many of which might not make it to other platforms... So skipping Playstation means you're going to miss lots of little JRPGs like 'Trails of Cold Steel', but the occasional 'Persona 5' as well.

Don't read this wrong, as some kind of assault on Xbox, however. MS has worked really hard to get as much 3rd party support as they can, and an Xbox One is good money spent for someone who likes gaming.... Especially if you like racing games and shooters. Like Sony, MS is investing a lot in projects for core gamers, funding games like Quantum Break, and Crackdown, and Gears of War, and Halo. This winter, we should be able to pick up an Xbox One for about $300 too, and the games on the platform easily justify doing so....

Anyway, not only are there less games on Wii U, but they're also expensive. That's another thing that irks me about Nintendo, is that their sales SUCK. Smash Bros for Wii U released over a year ago, and it's still $60 at most retailers, for example. Digital Sales are pathetic. You're often paying over 50% more on 3rd party games both digital or physical copy, vs Xbox One or PS4. For example, Shovel Knight is 10 bucks on PS4 right now vs $20-25 on Wii U. Nintendo consoles are just an awful place to spend your money, IMHO. When you're used to Steam and Playstation pricing, its cringe worthy....

Well, dang... Think I just accidentally went on an anti-Nintendo rant. Oops.
 

Ayrahvon

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Anyway, not only are there less games on Wii U, but they're also expensive. That's another thing that irks me about Nintendo, is that their sales SUCK. Smash Bros for Wii U released over a year ago, and it's still $60 at most retailers, for example. Digital Sales are pathetic. You're often paying over 50% more on 3rd party games both digital or physical copy, vs Xbox One or PS4. For example, Shovel Knight is 10 bucks on PS4 right now vs $20-25 on Wii U. Nintendo consoles are just an awful place to spend your money, IMHO. When you're used to Steam and Playstation pricing, its cringe worthy....

Well, dang... Think I just accidentally went on an anti-Nintendo rant. Oops.

Pricing is a definite annoyance - and if you have kids or family member who want Amiibo's just say goodbye to your money.

I'm not suggesting the PS4 or Xbone don't have exclusives that people want to play - but the games I see that I personally want to play are among the ones I can get for PC. As I stated previously, I'll likely be getting one of those consoles in the future once they have a few more games and another price drop.

I just get tired of the hate against the Wii U from people that seemingly haven't used it (to note: this was a general complaint - not really one directed at our forums or a particular forum member).
 

slugg

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I would love a Wii U, except I would love to pay a reasonable price for it. I feel like that tablet-controller thing hikes up the price way too much, even though it's fairly useless except for one or two games.
 

Bman123

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I got a good sized Wii U bundle from someone on here and I use the gamepad all the time now. Whenever she's watching something I don't care for I'll play Mario U and do the time trials or play the actual game and it works very good on the gamepad.

I hated on the wii U for so long, then I got the offer for the bundle I bought for the price of a used one. It was well worth the buy. I play the damn thing all the time and my kids can play Mario too which is cool because that's where I started with video gaming was the original Mario on NES
 

slugg

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I got a good sized Wii U bundle from someone on here and I use the gamepad all the time now. Whenever she's watching something I don't care for I'll play Mario U and do the time trials or play the actual game and it works very good on the gamepad.

I hated on the wii U for so long, then I got the offer for the bundle I bought for the price of a used one. It was well worth the buy. I play the damn thing all the time and my kids can play Mario too which is cool because that's where I started with video gaming was the original Mario on NES

The girlfriend and I love Nintendo games. If I came across a deal like you did, I may bite.
 

Bman123

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I waited a while before I came across that deal, I hardly ever see people selling good Wii U bundle for a decent price. It's like the people that have them hold on to them forever
 
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