Nissan GT-R

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Stumps
Shame they switched it to a V6, the old RB26DETT was a sweet sweet engine...

It bothers me when fanboys unfamiliar with engine design spout nonsense like this.

What's nonsense about that statement. The VQ35 is a great engine too, but the RB26 has been a proven bulletproof bottom end for a long time.

The main reason is it's a lot easier to make another car sharing parts from others on your assembly line. Plus the shorter/wider hood look of today's car's is inline 6 unfriendly once crashtests and the like come into play.

The Skyline is pretty well recieved by more than just the 22 year old crowd...there has been a decent market willing to pay upwards of $80-90k for older models to be imported. That is a cash price; can't really finance that one as a 15-22 year old unless you have a lot of equity to pull out.

The car is probably going to be way lower volume than the 350Z which has a ton of middle aged buyers picking up their cars after having them modified heavily.

The GT-R is not being marketed to the young crowd any more than the 300Z was. It marketed to the upper middle class and beyond crowd.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I don't expect it to sell that well, even though it's getting a ton of hype. You need to realize that the vast majority of hype is coming from the 15-22 year old crowd, and hardly any of them are in the market to buy a brand new $57,000-$94,000 car.

There's a reason why Civics/Neons/Scions sell so well among that crowd- they're practical cars that they can actually afford.

I agree it's going to be tough for Nissan to sell this vehicle after the initial wave of gotta have types and the hype dies down. The people who can afford this toy car are older 45-60 year olds and many of them are badge whores.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I don't expect it to sell that well, even though it's getting a ton of hype. You need to realize that the vast majority of hype is coming from the 15-22 year old crowd, and hardly any of them are in the market to buy a brand new $57,000-$94,000 car.

There's a reason why Civics/Neons/Scions sell so well among that crowd- they're practical cars that they can actually afford.

I agree it's going to be tough for Nissan to sell this vehicle after the initial wave of gonna have types and hype dies down. The people who can afford this toy car are older 45-60 year olds and many of them are badge whores.

I'm sure clever advertising will get people's attention...

Maybe being chased by a 911 Turbo on the Nuerburgring...

 

[RKS]

I am not quiet in the 45-60 YO crowd but I do understand the difficulty in spending 60K-70K on a Nissan and my last three new vehicles have been Maxima, Maxima, Armada.
I am itching to finally get a nice car again and the GT-R will get consideration but so will the Z-06 and nice used 911TTs. Since I am hesitant about purchasing 1st year vehicles I suspect that even Honda and Toyota might have something to say about the GT-R finally being introduced in the States.

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
ROFL at the troll feeders...




Who would want to buy the GT-R, I mean it has Nissan attached to it. Might as well buy a Honda Civic and stick some type R badges on it.


After Eli's comment I LOL how people believe I think it is rice.

Heh... a ford guy bashing a nissan, never thought i'd see that.

With the r34 weighing in at 3670lbs it makes you wonder how much the gtr will weigh. 4000lbs maybe? I hope not.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Stumps
Shame they switched it to a V6, the old RB26DETT was a sweet sweet engine...

It bothers me when fanboys unfamiliar with engine design spout nonsense like this.

It bothers me when people like you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Sure I might be a fanboy, but not of the Skyline (even though the R32 is a nice car), I like inline sixes...the Skyline and Supra were pretty much the swan song of the Inline 6, I think it's just a shame that Nissan needed to replace such a nice reliable and proven engine, I never said the V6 was crap either, it is a good powerplant, but if I had the choice it would be for an Inline 6 over a V6...

But then again that's also the Aussie ford lover in me talking too, anybody with half a brain would pick the Inline 6 powered Falcon over the woefully underpowered V6 Commodore any day of the week.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: mariok2006
http://www.worldcarfan.com

After six long years since the Nissan GTR Concept was first unveiled in October 2001, the wait is now only months away, with the public and market debut at the Tokyo Motor show this October. Production is set to commence immediately after its debut with first Japanese deliveries occurring simultaneously throughout the winter. Sales in the U.S. and Canada are set to start in the Spring of 2008.

The GTR is expected to be available in three different model levels. Despite our previous reports of a 4.5 liter V8 engine delivering 450hp, it is now commonly known that it will be a 480hp twin-turbo V6 engine in the standard base GTR as well as the middle level GTR V-Spec. They will be priced at roughly $57,000 and $67,000 respectively. The range topping EVO version with the same VQHRTT engine as the standard and V-Spec models gets a power increase up to 530hp while losing 220 lbs. from the body for an unbelievably inexpensive price of $94,000.

If this is true, it might very well give the Z06 a run for the bang for buck sector, while sporting a decent interior.

If I were in the market, I would hit it.

Personally I would not compare the GT-R to the Vette because they are very different cars

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Either way who wants to spend over 20k for a ricer?

We got your domestic-built fanboism, now grow up. How the HELL is a Nissan GT-R, a much more respected automotive icon than the mid-life crisis Corvette or your retarded Mustang, ricer?

"OMG, it says "Nissan," must be ricer! I can't stand anything being a better car than my crappy Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily)!"

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
ROFL at the troll feeders...




Who would want to buy the GT-R, I mean it has Nissan attached to it. Might as well buy a Honda Civic and stick some type R badges on it.


After Eli's comment I LOL how people believe I think it is rice.

This is coming from a guy who worships cars with "Ford" attached to it. :laugh:

Ford is a sh1t company, get over it, man.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: Stumps
Shame they switched it to a V6, the old RB26DETT was a sweet sweet engine...

time gotta move on... inlines 6 are of a dying breed.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...say it ain't true....

At least one company is still continuing with the mighty Inline 6 and has no plans of ever getting rid of it....Ford Australia...

But back to the topic at hand, the RB26DETT is a ledgendary power plant (an thankfully reasonably common in Australia...thank you Nissan for the local release of the R32 and R33 skylines), it's just a pity that Nissan didn't want to give a few more years worth of use, it was a proven and very powerful engine..and a rev monster to boot.

Don't fear, BMW still :heart:'s inline 6's.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: Stumps
Shame they switched it to a V6, the old RB26DETT was a sweet sweet engine...

time gotta move on... inlines 6 are of a dying breed.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...say it ain't true....

At least one company is still continuing with the mighty Inline 6 and has no plans of ever getting rid of it....Ford Australia...

But back to the topic at hand, the RB26DETT is a ledgendary power plant (an thankfully reasonably common in Australia...thank you Nissan for the local release of the R32 and R33 skylines), it's just a pity that Nissan didn't want to give a few more years worth of use, it was a proven and very powerful engine..and a rev monster to boot.

Don't fear, BMW still :heart:'s inline 6's.

I forgot all about BMW...

 

[Tennoh]

Question I have is how well does the Vette fair against the current generation 911 Turbo? Based on that I believe you'll have a good understanding of how well the GT-R will do. All through development of the GT-R, they have been race tuning it against a 911 Turbo.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Zap
Wasn't the Mustangs also built upon a sedan chassis? I'm pretty sure my former 1986 Mustang GT was a Ford Fairmont in disguise.

I made no point that the Mustang wasn't... only that the GT-R was because some people have the idea that anything built on a non-sports car frame can't be good.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

If this is true, it might very well give the Z06 a run for the bang for buck sector, while sporting a decent interior.

it will give the Z06 a run for a money, but a nissan with a decent interior? HAHAHAHAHA. you kill me.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Either way who wants to spend over 20k for a ricer?

We got your domestic-built fanboism, now grow up. How the HELL is a Nissan GT-R, a much more respected automotive icon than the mid-life crisis Corvette or your retarded Mustang, ricer?

"OMG, it says "Nissan," must be ricer! I can't stand anything being a better car than my crappy Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily)!"

The GT-R is a great car, but you lose all credibility when you say it's a bigger icon than the Corvette or Mustang.

Seriously? LOL

 

[SampSon]

With C6 corvettes at every other stop light, I wouldn't mind seeing a fresh look around.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
ROFL at the troll feeders...




Who would want to buy the GT-R, I mean it has Nissan attached to it. Might as well buy a Honda Civic and stick some type R badges on it.


After Eli's comment I LOL how people believe I think it is rice.

Heh... a ford guy bashing a nissan, never thought i'd see that.

With the r34 weighing in at 3670lbs it makes you wonder how much the gtr will weigh. 4000lbs maybe? I hope not.

Nope, the R34 was based on a sedan chassis which contributed to all the excess weight.

The new GT-R is based on a dedicated chassis not shared with any other car, and especially not the G35 which is a common misconception.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

It bothers me when fanboys unfamiliar with engine design spout nonsense like this.

It bothers me when people like you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Sure I might be a fanboy, but not of the Skyline (even though the R32 is a nice car), I like inline sixes...the Skyline and Supra were pretty much the swan song of the Inline 6, I think it's just a shame that Nissan needed to replace such a nice reliable and proven engine, I never said the V6 was crap either, it is a good powerplant, but if I had the choice it would be for an Inline 6 over a V6...

1. Inline 6's are fairly heavy engines. They have to be in order to be rigid. The block and the crank must be pretty solid so they don't twist too much. The L24 in the 240Z weighs almost the same as the LS1, which is a 5.7L engine with much more torque, a better power band, and better fuel economy (since it's so much newer). The fanboys say "ohmygod you threw a heavy 5.7 liter V8 in place of the light 2.4L I6!!!1" without knowing the facts.

2. I6's are large. The block is very long, which requires a lot of space in the engine compartment.

3. The RB26 is rev-happy, but it doesn't have a great torque curve since you only had 2.6 liters spooling up the turbos. Since people went for big power, many were just dyno queens, producing a lot of peak power but a poor powerband.

If you want to make a streetable car with a lot of usable power, you'll want more displacement.

My TT V6 also has limitations in that department, since 3 liters will not spool a turbo to make x amount of HP as quickly as a 3.5 liter engine will. Turbo lag sucks, so you'll want quick spoolup.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Tennoh
Question I have is how well does the Vette fair against the current generation 911 Turbo? Based on that I believe you'll have a good understanding of how well the GT-R will do. All through development of the GT-R, they have been race tuning it against a 911 Turbo.

The Corvette has a slight edge on the track depending on who you talk to, but that would make sense since its about 400lbs lighter and has more power and a stiffer suspension. The 911 Turbo has miles more refinement, blistering standstill-acceleration, and tons of grip- thanks to the AWD system. According to Edmunds rough calculation, the GT-R was beating the 911 Turbo around Laguna Seca, which is a high speed track.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons...ri-f430-vs-2007-porsche-911-turbo.html

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: mariok2006
http://www.worldcarfan.com

After six long years since the Nissan GTR Concept was first unveiled in October 2001, the wait is now only months away, with the public and market debut at the Tokyo Motor show this October. Production is set to commence immediately after its debut with first Japanese deliveries occurring simultaneously throughout the winter. Sales in the U.S. and Canada are set to start in the Spring of 2008.

The GTR is expected to be available in three different model levels. Despite our previous reports of a 4.5 liter V8 engine delivering 450hp, it is now commonly known that it will be a 480hp twin-turbo V6 engine in the standard base GTR as well as the middle level GTR V-Spec. They will be priced at roughly $57,000 and $67,000 respectively. The range topping EVO version with the same VQHRTT engine as the standard and V-Spec models gets a power increase up to 530hp while losing 220 lbs. from the body for an unbelievably inexpensive price of $94,000.

If this is true, it might very well give the Z06 a run for the bang for buck sector, while sporting a decent interior.

If I were in the market, I would hit it.

Personally I would not compare the GT-R to the Vette because they are very different cars

They might look and drive differently. I was comparing them because they both sport a below $100k price tag and offer supercar performance.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Tennoh
Question I have is how well does the Vette fair against the current generation 911 Turbo? Based on that I believe you'll have a good understanding of how well the GT-R will do. All through development of the GT-R, they have been race tuning it against a 911 Turbo.

The Corvette has a slight edge on the track depending on who you talk to, but that would make sense since its about 400lbs lighter and has more power and a stiffer suspension. The 911 Turbo has miles more refinement, blistering standstill-acceleration, and tons of grip- thanks to the AWD system. According to Edmunds rough calculation, the GT-R was beating the 911 Turbo around Laguna Seca, which is a high speed track.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons...ri-f430-vs-2007-porsche-911-turbo.html

AWD will give it grip off the line, but it's not going to help it corner or stop better. If you're driving the car right, the tires' grip will be at the limit and they'll have no more to give.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Tennoh
Question I have is how well does the Vette fair against the current generation 911 Turbo? Based on that I believe you'll have a good understanding of how well the GT-R will do. All through development of the GT-R, they have been race tuning it against a 911 Turbo.

The Corvette has a slight edge on the track depending on who you talk to, but that would make sense since its about 400lbs lighter and has more power and a stiffer suspension. The 911 Turbo has miles more refinement, blistering standstill-acceleration, and tons of grip- thanks to the AWD system. According to Edmunds rough calculation, the GT-R was beating the 911 Turbo around Laguna Seca, which is a high speed track.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons...ri-f430-vs-2007-porsche-911-turbo.html

AWD will give it grip off the line, but it's not going to help it corner better.

I didn't say that, I said it has a ton of grip.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: mariok2006


I didn't say that, I said it has a ton of grip.

Oh ok, sorry for the confusion.

 

[xanis]

It looks like a pretty solid car to me. My only concern is the new powerplant, especially with twin turbos. I would have liked to see and upgraded version of the RB26DETT in the new GT-R, but I guess Nissan has to move on. The AWD is nice (for both traction and tradition) but the cornering won't be as good as if they made it RWD.

 

[SVT Cobra]

And my experiment is correct. People do not actually read posts they just respond to them.

Did you not read the part where I was kidding? Hence the LOL at the troll feeders (meaning I am a troll).


Of course the GT-R is not rice, because it is actually fast...but still not my cup of tea, and it would be really really bad boring tea, maybe with some rice grains on the bottom.



And, any bashers ready to start fire up your sarcasm meter for the last part, some if you guys need a tune up.