Nitpicking 'Logan' (2017)

mikeymikec

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I watched it for the first time yesterday. It seems to me that there are two flaws in the plot:

The more serious one:

Near the end of the film, Logan sees a load of drones fly in the direction that the kids are heading. Considering that this film is based in the future and there's a fair bit of new tech on show, couldn't the drones have been used as part of a stealth strike at night, firing tranquiliser or something fatal at the kids while they slept (like the operation on the mansion in X2), or be used as a surprise strike while they're in the forest? Also, instead of rounding the kids up, why weren't more drastic techniques in use? How on earth did such an op turn into humans running after children with mutant abilities? The film already described how the kids were being killed once they weren't needed any more, and while I can see the need to ensure that no evidence is left behind (so no particularly messy techniques that could leave evidence plastered on nearby flora, making identification difficult and also lengthy cleanup operations), it seems to me that the scriptwriter made the usual mistake of "let's capture all the good guys and put them in an easily escapable situation".

Second, speaking of the easily escapable situation, the girl's absence wasn't noted (surely in a 'no evidence' situation, they would have checked off each captured kid on a list or something?), and she was able to sneak up on the troops? Heh?

Both flaws strike me as the result of the scriptwriter's need to have Logan die in a violent finale. The first flaw also played against a running theme in the film being "don't stop to rest, you have to keep moving", then the bad guys apparently think, "you know what, we can wait until the morning", and for some reason they know exactly where and when the children are going despite the fact that they only had the co-ordinates of where the children were staying, and the drones weren't searching a wide area, they all went in a group in the direction the children were going, and it's logical that the drones weren't used to search the buildings where Logan slept because the vehicles were already on their way to the forest.
 

ElFenix

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best western i've seen lately (despite having mutants and being in the future.)
 

Zeze

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best western i've seen lately (despite having mutants and being in the future.)
This is an interesting take.

I guess it's a Western if you interpret cars as horses and superpowers as guns.

LOVED this film.
 

ElFenix

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This is an interesting take.

I guess it's a Western if you interpret cars as horses and superpowers as guns.

LOVED this film.
genres aren't about setting. they're about themes and motifs. the classic genre western was about making a former agrarian country feel normal about becoming more urban. there's a struggling community under siege from outside forces. there's an outsider who saves the community. but he can't live as part of the community and so either dies or rides off into the sunset (or both, see Shane). it's why they were playing clips of Shane in Logan.
 

Zeze

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genres aren't about setting. they're about themes and motifs. the classic genre western was about making a former agrarian country feel normal about becoming more urban. there's a struggling community under siege from outside forces. there's an outsider who saves the community. but he can't live as part of the community and so either dies or rides off into the sunset (or both, see Shane). it's why they were playing clips of Shane in Logan.
Wow, good stuff. I guess you're a real flim buff.
 

mikeymikec

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genres aren't about setting. they're about themes and motifs. the classic genre western was about making a former agrarian country feel normal about becoming more urban. there's a struggling community under siege from outside forces. there's an outsider who saves the community. but he can't live as part of the community and so either dies or rides off into the sunset (or both, see Shane). it's why they were playing clips of Shane in Logan.

Huh. None of the 'classic westerns' that spring to my mind have that as the basic plot. The first film I think of with that basic plot is Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai.

'Logan' doesn't really conform to your description either. I can't think of a film off the top of my head, but the basic premise of 'Logan' IMO is a tough guy who is hired or offers to help a band of refugees get from A to B. I'd need to refresh my memory of 'The Hidden Fortress', but from what I do remember it's probably a closer match to that. Some of the 'Mad Max' films spring to mind as well.

Where I would agree with you on 'Logan' being similar to some westerns is that the theme of a good few I can think of is evolving technology changing how people live and the struggle associated with that. Some westerns refer to the introduction of the machine/gattling gun, others to the advance of the train, etc. The refugees in 'Logan' are certainly struggling against the changing and hostile world in that respect.
 

zerocool84

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This was not a bad movie by any stretch and I definitely liked it but it's not a movie that deserves to be called great in any way. There was just so many basic stuff plot wise that they could have done to at least change it up compared to similar movies. Plus the way he dies was a big letdown as well.
 

zinfamous

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This is an interesting take.

I guess it's a Western if you interpret cars as horses and superpowers as guns.

LOVED this film.

that's not what westerns are about. also, sci fi isn't about space ships and robots.
 

Captante

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Overall not a bad movie but I hated the ending ... also not a fan of what happens to mutants in this story-line.
 

preslove

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Logan is both a sci fi film and a western. It's one of my fave sci films, ever

OP, your criticisms are easily explainable. The company people could've been just getting there (it took them time to get the coordinates) and they needed to use their cheap, ubiquitous normal drones.
 

zerocool84

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I'm sorry but Logan fighting "a clone" of himself was dumb and lazy to me. They could have done a lot better than that.
I did enjoy the parts with Patrick Stewart and the little girl was pretty good.
 

Jeeebus

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I thought it was a 'good' movie, but not really an 'enjoyable' movie. If I'm going to pay money to see a superhero movie, I want a couple hours of mindless fun and to leave the theater pretending to stab things with my make-believe claws or to shoot things with the lasers from my eyes. I understand that's not what this movie was and I knew that going in... nevertheless, I really didn't enjoy spending 2 hours being confronted with mortality, old people suffering from dementia, etc. I can get my fix of that by living life. I just want to see Hugh Jackman mess some stuff up.
 

bbhaag

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I thought it was a 'good' movie, but not really an 'enjoyable' movie. If I'm going to pay money to see a superhero movie, I want a couple hours of mindless fun and to leave the theater pretending to stab things with my make-believe claws or to shoot things with the lasers from my eyes. I understand that's not what this movie was and I knew that going in... nevertheless, I really didn't enjoy spending 2 hours being confronted with mortality, old people suffering from dementia, etc. I can get my fix of that by living life. I just want to see Hugh Jackman mess some stuff up.
Damn straight man. I feel the same way about Pacific Rim but my friends love giving shit for liking it. I never seen Logan but it sounds terrible for a superhero movie.
 
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