NK out of control: warns it may launch a pre-emptive attack on American forces.

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: Jimbo

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Nope, Iraq the possibility of Bush working the American people to a froth to invade Iraq didn't happen till 9/11 at which long standing plans for a new American imperialism became a reality. We don't give a flying hoot about violations. We got a chance to grab Iraq and all that represents in terms of American geopolitical advantage. We just have to have cover for our real intentions both from the rest of the world and our own citizens who can't be trusted to know what's best for them, but will readily buy any lie that's patriotic sounding.

As opposed to the leftist that will buy any conspiracy theory that's not even good enough to make it into the Enquirer.
Where did you get that from? A Noam Chomsky book?

You've never heard of PNAC have you??

 

[Moonbeam]

jahawkin, I guess he hasn't.

 

[Zebo]

Protein and Nucleic Acid Chemistry?

 

[idNut]

Originally posted by: Evadman
and the US may pre-emptively blow them off the face of the Earth.

 

[Grey]

More like the redheaded step child becomes old news behind the Shuttle and Iraq so rattles the sabre to get some attention again.

 

[jteef]

this is maybe not a reliable source, but in any case, it claims the clinton administration threatened north korea with a nuclear strike if they didn't stop producing plutonium....

"Clinton:
* In 1994, former Defense Secretary William Perry threatened to launch a nuclear strike against
North Korea if it continued to work on producing plutonium (VC Star, Oct 18 2002).
* Administration policies facilitated the export of advanced (miniaturized) nuclear weapons
technology to China.
"

http://home1.gte.net/lbalders/nuclear.htm

references to "VC Star" Oct 18 2002 are relatively nonexistant on google...

but, what would people think if they heard bush did the same?

 

[Moonbeam]

Nope,Carb he's refering to this.

 

[CantedValve]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Yeah, but we better attack Iraq first.

Sure, lets stop what we are doing and move all the troops from Iraq to NK. Once we do that I am sure Iraq will starting being a little B!tch again and we can start the cycle over.

Actually, there are reports that military personnel that are being called up are being issued both desert and jungle fatigues, and there arent any jungles in Iraq...

 

[CantedValve]

Won't happen. China has NK under control. China has too much to lose if NK throws a temper tantrum.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
If they attack us first it is suicide. This isn't the 1950's. There would be no long protracted war. We would annihilate them fairly quickly. Unfortunately those bastards would pretty much wipe out Seoul before we could do that.

Who cares about Seoul. The S. Koreans hate that we are there in the first place. Let em wipe out the whole pennisula and then I dont need to hear about it anymore.

 

[CantedValve]

So do you believe that we have NOT made a case for military action? What more do you need to know? I guess I do not understand, cause the speech I head described a regime run by a psychotic mad-man who wants to destroy the world in the worst way he can.

I wouldnt want him for a neighbor... would you?

 

[amdforever2]

The Borg could take North Korea.

 

[everman]

N Korea knows we have nuclear submarines within range which could turn their entire country into a crater if they chose to attack US warships with Nukes. It's not balls of steal, I think their just insane.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
If they attack us first it is suicide. This isn't the 1950's. There would be no long protracted war. We would annihilate them fairly quickly. Unfortunately those bastards would pretty much wipe out Seoul before we could do that.

Who cares about Seoul. The S. Koreans hate that we are there in the first place. Let em wipe out the whole pennisula and then I dont need to hear about it anymore.

i wouldn't care if you were wiped off the face of the earth either.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Hoeboy

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Deeko
I think its time to remind people that we are the most powerful nation in the world...if we beat the sh!t out of iraq and NK at the same time, maybe all these little pu$$y countries will stop stepping on our toes.

thats what we thought when we bombed Japan. Did it work? No.

If we want to stop other countries from trying to get their hands on WMD, we have to do so by example, not by instilling fear in others. Human beings are the same, wherever we are, lets not forget that everyone has ego's, everyone has a desire for liberty, and everyone wants to be treated with mutual respect. Threatening countries is not the way to go about doing things, it will never lead to world peace, nor will it stop "little pu$$y countries... [from] stepping on our toes."

Whoa! Living in a pretty idealistic pie-in-the-sky world there, aren't you? You think Saddam, Mullah Omar, bin Laden, and Kim Jong Il all have desires for liberty and mutual respect? Should we disarm, and show them by example that the world is a wonderful place?

the people you named are the most extreme examples. i'm talking about the common man, not extremists.

If the common man had any control over how their country is run, do you think there would be such problems? Instead we have mad dictators running these countries using fear and death. Too bad your idealistic utopia of a world where everyone can sit down and talk does not work. Some foreign government simply do not give a crap to aide us or negotiate with us. Which leaves us with two choices: use force or ignore the problem. You tell me which one is the right choice.

I'm not asking anyone to sit down and talk. And I do realize that 'mad dictators' do run the show. And thats the point. A very small handful of the people are the ones in the wrong, so why launch a full fledged war? The people that will suffer will be the very people that have been at the receiving end of the 'fear and death' that you said. I'm of the opinion that not all wars are fought on a battlefield. There are probably other ways of handling the situation, that wont' result in large amounts of civilian casualties.

 

[WoofyJr]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I think its time to remind people that we are the most powerful nation in the world...if we beat the sh!t out of iraq and NK at the same time, maybe all these little pu$$y countries will stop stepping on our toes.

I hate to say but i do agree!!!!! I still hope we dont have to go any war...

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: CallTheFBI
I say let's nuke them before they nuke us. A few hundred well place warheads should effectively wipe North Korea off the map.

And you'll be the first crybaby to b*tch about RAM prices going up.

 

[tcsenter]

Who cares about Seoul. The S. Koreans hate that we are there in the first place. Let em wipe out the whole pennisula and then I dont need to hear about it anymore.

The South Koreans love us again now that Jong Ill is acting crazy, remember? Its like make-up sex, except we don't get anything out of it.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Nope,Carb he's refering to this.

What's the signifigance of this 75 page "study" conducted by some private think tank?

I've read bush was working on his plans for Iraq before the 2000 election, is this it?

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Who cares about Seoul. The S. Koreans hate that we are there in the first place. Let em wipe out the whole pennisula and then I dont need to hear about it anymore.

The South Koreans love us again now that Jong Ill is acting crazy, remember? Its like make-up sex, except we don't get anything out of it.

For all his faults, Jong has got THE tightest hair!

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
*shakes head*

They're just asking for it, aren't they?

Hopper

Let's say the US tells the world they have a new weapon again, and China, Russia, and a few others all positioning their weapons and soldiers at the US' borders, threatening to attack if the US does not immediately destroy all of its weapons. Do you think the US would immediately comply? Why do you presume NK will just because Bush is being anal as usual?

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: CallTheFBI
I say let's nuke them before they nuke us. A few hundred well place warheads should effectively wipe North Korea off the map.

its called a pre-emptive strike.

North Korea is making a political point. "America is not the only country that reserves the right to pre-emptive strike"
of course they know that the U.S. can turn their country into barren land void of life with either conventional or nuclear weapons.

 

[tcsenter]

For all his faults, Jong has got THE tightest hair!

LMAO! They call this guy a notorious 'playboy'? Maybe in a former life!

 

[grooveman]

Yak.

Whelp... this is one of those things where there seems to be another side that is not really being reported.

Right now, the US is unhappy that the North has started up nuclear reactor(s). The US has said that it may, *ahem* beef up forces in the area as a 'deterrent'. NK says that if the US does that, it can only mean the US is meaning to strike NK pre-emptively. (As the US has tossed aside what they had at least said publically was a no pre-emptive war thing... :frown: ) Thus, NK said it would, "strike first", in that situation.

Now, with that synopsis done.. (Edit: Wanted to clarify some stuff...) ABB of Switzerland / US sold, "equipment and services for two nuclear power stations at Kumho, on the east coast of North Korea." to NK in 2000/2001.. *Ahem* *Cough, cough* On the board of directors of the company that sold them the nuclear stuff / (Laset edit!) supplies for their building project was no less than (Edit: been a long day already... =)) Donald Rumsfeld. If the US / Switzerland sells them nuclear reactor stuff, after peace talks have broken down, and then seemingly tells them only to look at it, well... And then the US plays a pretty major role in getting rid of any further peace talks... I don't know.

I haven't the answer to any of this, but thought I might toss some facts in here.... (Don't know if they've been posted before, though. :\)

Anywho, have a good day.

Andy

 

[tcsenter]

Some sources so we know what the hell you're talking about would be good.

The US didn't "sell" a nuclear reactor to NK in 2000/2001. The US agreed several years ago in the early 90's to build two light water nuclear reactors for NK in exchange for their shutting down their plutonium producing reactors.