No dual core love in 2015

[AtenRa]

If no one sees the settings it doesn't really matter....

Settings at 4.26 in the video.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

something weird is going on with 5960x

Probably the 20MB of L3 cache.

 

[tweakboy]

Yes there are dual cpu socket servers drop 2x Xeon 12 core each. Who would test this wo.........

 

[escrow4]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADaALZ0RWDA&list=PLPPlscE2CXdFD3sh6m6sNiPB9GdtPU0wU&index=7

Try something other than a lite snow covered map.

My FPS shoot up too with a lack of anything to render.

 

[tential]

Try something other than a lite snow covered map.

My FPS shoot up too with a lack of anything to render.

Half of his settings are on low....

Texture Quality: High
Texture Filtering: High
Lighting Quality: Low
Effects Quality: Low
Post Process Quality: Low
Mesh Quality: Low
Terrain Quality: Low
Terrain Decoration: Low
2xMSAA
AntiAlising Post:Off
Ambient Occlusion: Off
100% Resolution Scale at 1080p.

So yes, turning settings down using mantle does get you to 120 FPS.... I don't see what that proves at all. Choosing a low impact FPS map? Yes that helps too I bet.

Hiding your settings in the middle of your video, not even bothering to list them at the start or in the description...

That's literally the best case possible for an FX Processor.

 

[Lepton87]

Probably the 20MB of L3 cache.

Probably not. If so, why a 3970X doesn't even outperform a 2600K? 15MB l3 vs 8MB l3 yet it doesn't perform any better.

 

[escrow4]

Probably not. If so, why a 3970X doesn't even outperform a 2600K? 15MB l3 vs 8MB l3 yet it doesn't perform any better.

Its Haswell's architecture. 6 of those cores would blow past the 3970X, mystery why GameGPU doesn't even have a 5820K on deck, the 5960X is near constantly on top. Combine Haswell's IPC and architectural redesign with 6/8 cores . . . . . ***strokes my 5930K***.

 

[Lepton87]

Its Haswell's architecture. 6 of those cores would blow past the 3970X, mystery why GameGPU doesn't even have a 5820K on deck, the 5960X is near constantly on top. Combine Haswell's IPC and architectural redesign with 6/8 cores . . . . . ***strokes my 5930K***.

How is HW relevant when comparing a 2600K to a 3970X? Both are SB, the difference is the number of cores, the amount of cache, the number of memory channels and the number of PCI-E lanes. The 3970X has 87% more cache and is clocked a bit higher and yet it doesn't even outperform the 2600K.

 

[tential]

How is HW relevant when comparing a 2600K to a 3970X? Both are SB, the difference is the number of cores, the amount of cache, the number of memory channels and the number of PCI-E lanes. The 3970X has 87% more cache and is clocked a bit higher and yet it doesn't even outperform the 2600K.

You may not see escrow post a lot, but he really likes mentioning his 5930k or the HEDT platform at any turn.
You just learn to get used to it.

 

[AtenRa]

Try something other than a lite snow covered map.

My FPS shoot up too with a lack of anything to render.

Excuses, you said the FX cannot sustain consistent frames. I show you it can, not only at 60fps but even at 120fps on a 64 multiplayer map in BF4.

Half of his settings are on low....

Texture Quality: High
Texture Filtering: High
Lighting Quality: Low
Effects Quality: Low
Post Process Quality: Low
Mesh Quality: Low
Terrain Quality: Low
Terrain Decoration: Low
2xMSAA
AntiAlising Post:Off
Ambient Occlusion: Off
100% Resolution Scale at 1080p.

So yes, turning settings down using mantle does get you to 120 FPS.... I don't see what that proves at all. Choosing a low impact FPS map? Yes that helps too I bet.

Hiding your settings in the middle of your video, not even bothering to list them at the start or in the description...

That's literally the best case possible for an FX Processor.

When i post videos/benchmarks at high image quality settings im GPU limited and people discard them, now that i post a very CPU limited scenario people asking to raise Image Quality settings.

Make up you mind people

You do understand that if i enable higher settings i will become GPU limited and the CPU will not play first role in the fps ??
The HD7950 even at 1GHz is not able to handle higher settings at 120fps.
But again that is not the point, he said the FX is not able to sustain consistent frames, i gave him exactly that even at 120fps. If the CPU is able to provide 120fps it can do it at 60fps with higher image quality settings

 

[SPBHM]

you have to be careful with the settings you lower, most are GPU dependent, but some games offer settings with high impact on CPU performance, like BF4, Crysis 3 and others... lowering the resolution is more effective to reduce the GPU bottleneck.

 

[Carfax83]

The 3970X has 87% more cache and is clocked a bit higher and yet it doesn't even outperform the 2600K.

Were you specifically referring to BF4 Final Stand, or just gaming in general?

Cause it depends on the game, and the engine. Take a game like AC Unity for instance. The 3970x has a very significant performance advantage over the 2600K because the engine will use up to 8 threads..

Dual cores are basically on life support right now, and the high overhead API cost of PC gaming accelerated it's demise.. Even so, game engines are progressively becoming more and more threaded because of necessity. The consoles have low IPC CPUs with lots of cores, and IPC gains have slowed down big time due to AMD's lack of competition with Intel. All the cutting edge 3D engines now scale up to 6 or 8 threads, which means games can achieve greater performance, seamlessness and complexity. Dual cores just can't cut it anymore for cutting edge games..

Heck, some games are even tapping out straight quad cores these days. It's not nice to look at your CPU usage during a game and see that all four of your cores are at 100%!

As I mentioned earlier though, if we had Mantle or DX12 years ago instead of just recently, dual core would have lasted even longer.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Your graph shows dualcores doing more than fine.

And what scaling?

 

[TheELF]

When i post videos/benchmarks at high image quality settings im GPU limited and people discard them, now that i post a very CPU limited scenario people asking to raise Image Quality settings.

While running mantle you are NOT CPU "limited"
even the G1820 gets over 60fps constatly,the guy in the video could have vsynced at 60 for a smooth gameplay.
So thanks, but no thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXobIk0_dns

 

[frozentundra123456]

Your graph shows dualcores doing more than fine.

And what scaling?

I think he means non-hyperthreaded dual cores.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I think he means non-hyperthreaded dual cores.

But they also do fine.

 

[escrow4]

But they also do fine.

57FPS minimum vs 82FPS minimum is HUGE over the course of the game. Which one will dip way less?

 

[tential]

Excuses, you said the FX cannot sustain consistent frames. I show you it can, not only at 60fps but even at 120fps on a 64 multiplayer map in BF4.



When i post videos/benchmarks at high image quality settings im GPU limited and people discard them, now that i post a very CPU limited scenario people asking to raise Image Quality settings.

Make up you mind people

You do understand that if i enable higher settings i will become GPU limited and the CPU will not play first role in the fps ??
The HD7950 even at 1GHz is not able to handle higher settings at 120fps.
But again that is not the point, he said the FX is not able to sustain consistent frames, i gave him exactly that even at 120fps. If the CPU is able to provide 120fps it can do it at 60fps with higher image quality settings

I was just saying that for transparency, you should list your video settings in your description and at the start.

Lets say your resolution had been 800x600 (example extreme I know), then ya, 120 fps ? who cares?

And I chose 800x600 since someone in the VCG forum (new member) actually said their goal was like 200 FPS or something ridiculous at those settings. Never knew people played at 800x600.

Just saying for transparency purposes.

And if you're using mantle isn't that supposed to remove a CPU bottleneck... so you're GPU limited now. Exactly why I was saying BF4/Mantle is a horrendous choice to show "how great the FX-8350 is". Mantle is simply a game changer in that it allows the FX series to live longer than it should have. If AMD could only have tossed their own name in there somehow, it would have done great for marketing purposes.

 

[Carfax83]

Your graph shows dualcores doing more than fine.

And what scaling?

I posted that graph to show that a well threaded engine can certainly result in significant performance gains on multicore/threaded processors, which is contrary to what Lepton87 was claiming when he said that a 3970x does not outperform a 2600K.

As for dual cores, yes, they are still viable. But as games become more and more complex and threaded, their performance will continue to diminish until they are eventually irrelevant.

The 4770K has a 37% higher minimum frame rate than the i3 4330, which is pretty damn big. And the 3970x is leading the 4770K despite having an older and less powerful microarchitecture, mostly because of it's two extra cores.

So taking into consideration the direction that game technology is progressing, which is towards greater TLP, it's more practical to invest in CPUs with lots of cores and threads; especially if you don't upgrade often.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

The 4770K has a 37% higher minimum frame rate than the i3 4330, which is pretty damn big.

Considering it has 100% more cores, cache and threads it's not really that great, also almost 3 times the price.

 

[TheELF]

I posted that graph to show that a well threaded engine can certainly result in significant performance gains on multicore/threaded processors,

Whats well threaded about AC:U?

4core fx vs 6 core fx = almost no difference
i3-4330 vs fx-9590 = almost no difference

 

[escrow4]

Whats well threaded about AC:U?

4core fx vs 6 core fx = almost no difference
i3-4330 vs fx-9590 = almost no difference

A) Its not 6 cores, its 6 modules, more like 3 cores

B) Unity can take advantage of cores and whatever is in Haswell's architecture.

 

[Carfax83]

Considering it has 100% more cores, cache and threads it's not really that great, also almost 3 times the price.

Right, and you were expecting a linear increase?

A 37% increase in performance is about the same gain that the GTX 680 had over the GTX 580 once the drivers were dialed in.

 

[Carfax83]

Whats well threaded about AC:U?

4core fx vs 6 core fx = almost no difference
i3-4330 vs fx-9590 = almost no difference

I know the perfect gif for a response to this, but I can't find it!

 

[lyssword]

i found that turning off motion blur in fc4 greatly improved gameplay experience, much less laggy/stuttery