No LAN play in Starcraft II?

[Dumac]

I don't get why people use LAN to play with their friends at home nowadays...

It doesn't make much sense. It used to back in the day, but not anymore.

Tournaments are another story, though.

 

[darkrisen2003]

Some of my fondest memories are of having lan parties and playing warcraft3 / diablo 2. Its simply more fun to have a group of friends over for the weekend all playing the same game together in the same room. Yes you can still play together over the internet and all but its more fun playing lan in some cases and yes you COULD still play together online but then the server could lagg since its not using your lan and also you would have to make it private and thats just annoying.

So lets recapp. Activision merged with blizzard, started calling the shots, and now is trying to make money in every single avenue possible. I for one decided not to buy Starcraft 2 once they announced that they werent going to release a finnished product and instead milk 150 for the normal game in 3 installments and then expansions on top of that. Now they are also taking away the ability to have a lan game with my friends without going online? I swear they are rediculous.

Im willing to bet money that the first thing that will be said about my argument is that blizzard said they couldnt possibly fit the game into one installment without breaking it up. I call BS. They could easily fit the game into multiple DVD's but instead want to play the hype game and milk the franchise for everything they can while at the same time buying themselves more time to finnish the product.

 

[Fox5]

This is likely an anti-piracy maneuver. I suppose Hamachi has gotten too popular.

BTW, if the game is still peer to peer but just uses battle.net for authentication purposes, it could still have good performance over a LAN and not make much use of an Internet connection.

Also, the 3 game thing blizzard is doing may be because it sounds like multiplayer and singleplayer will be radically different games, with different units and stats between the two. If that's the case, and the main starcraft 2 is the multiplayer meat and bones, look for the expansions to bomb.

 

[DannyLove]

HA HA to all the starcraft, blizzard fanboi's. I find that to be hilarious. HA HA

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: darkrisen2003
Some of my fondest memories are of having lan parties and playing warcraft3 / diablo 2. Its simply more fun to have a group of friends over for the weekend all playing the same game together in the same room. Yes you can still play together over the internet and all but its more fun playing lan in some cases and yes you COULD still play together online but then the server could lagg since its not using your lan and also you would have to make it private and thats just annoying.

So lets recapp. Activision merged with blizzard, started calling the shots, and now is trying to make money in every single avenue possible. I for one decided not to buy Starcraft 2 once they announced that they werent going to release a finnished product and instead milk 150 for the normal game in 3 installments and then expansions on top of that. Now they are also taking away the ability to have a lan game with my friends without going online? I swear they are rediculous.

Im willing to bet money that the first thing that will be said about my argument is that blizzard said they couldnt possibly fit the game into one installment without breaking it up. I call BS. They could easily fit the game into multiple DVD's but instead want to play the hype game and milk the franchise for everything they can while at the same time buying themselves more time to finnish the product.

Because adding a password is so hard, eh?

I still don't really get how this is a problem for anything besides tournaments. I think by principle they should include it, but practically it makes little difference.

I kind of agree about the 3 game point, but that argument is for another thread.

Screw you Finland.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Fox5
This is likely an anti-piracy maneuver. I suppose Hamachi has gotten too popular.

BTW, if the game is still peer to peer but just uses battle.net for authentication purposes, it could still have good performance over a LAN and not make much use of an Internet connection.

Also, the 3 game thing blizzard is doing may be because it sounds like multiplayer and singleplayer will be radically different games, with different units and stats between the two. If that's the case, and the main starcraft 2 is the multiplayer meat and bones, look for the expansions to bomb.

Expansions will add new units. I bet on it

Also I doubt, besides heroes and special units, campaign will be different than singleplayer. I really doubt it.

Anyone know if they are including a campaign editor in SC2?

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am getting older but do people really get together and play lan games anymore? The reason we did it back in the day was because internet sucked a donkeys ass though a 56Kbps or slower connection. It was worth getting together to play SC1 or other games like that. Now a days the vast majority of gamers have 1.5+Mbps lines hooked right to their homes and can use ventrillo or even a cell phone to talk.

/shrug

There is this thing, it's called social interaction.

Computer gaming and social interaction, funny
You can still do it via a phone or vent.

/shrug

Interaction isn't just talking.

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: Beev
... How many LAN parties exist that don't have any internet at all? ...

I don't see the big deal.

We throw at least one every week in the summer, so this pretty much axes any potential for me and my friends to buy it.

And you can't do this at a friend's house with internet?

Ok, so you're telling me we should send all connections out to battle.net then back instead of across a single switch? I would just call that plain idiotic.

 

[Kelvrick]

At first I was outraged, but not anymore. It was pretty much a requirement for starcraft since there were always those stupid problems with multiple people trying to play on b.net from one connection. That has been fixed though since warcraft 3, so I don't really care.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
At first I was outraged, but not anymore. It was pretty much a requirement for starcraft since there were always those stupid problems with multiple people trying to play on b.net from one connection. That has been fixed though since warcraft 3, so I don't really care.

yeah, playing WC over a LAN was damn easy, just used bnet servers for it and locked down the game if we didn't want anyone else joining.

 

[Kalmah]

It really is a good move.. you can either:
A)have DRM
or
B)have no LAN

Give me no LAN. If I want LAN, we can all play on battlenet in the same room.

 

[flashbacck]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: Beev
... How many LAN parties exist that don't have any internet at all? ...

I don't see the big deal.

We throw at least one every week in the summer, so this pretty much axes any potential for me and my friends to buy it.

And you can't do this at a friend's house with internet?

Ok, so you're telling me we should send all connections out to battle.net then back instead of across a single switch? I would just call that plain idiotic.

Of course it's less efficient. But people claiming that they're not going to buy the game because of lack of LAN support is dumber. Like Beev said, how many people who are into hosting lan parties don't have an internet connection? In a RTS, no one's going to lose a match because their ping went from 5 ms to 100 ms.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Within 20 seconds of release, some Korean fanboy will write a workarond that allows you to spoof a server on a local machine and play lan.

20 seconds later - a million people will have it.

 

[Spike]

Because of this I definitly won't pre-order the game, I'll wait until it's out and see how bad the connection are. I, like some here, have regular lan parties during the summer. It's just alot more fun with everyone in the same room playing.

During the last one I had 12 people over and my brother hooked up remotely (had a seperate laptop with him dialed in via skype so he could see everyone). We played mostly online servers so he could join us but dang, the lag was pretty annoying and that was on my 20/10 fiber line. Once he signed off we went back to lan play and everything was much better. The no lan thing is quite annoying and silly in my mind.

Ah well, it's their buisness.

 

[Maximilian]

I used LAN in the original starcraft once so bleh its not that big a deal. Still sucks for those who liked to LAN, bit of a lame move from blizzard there, usually they can figure something out rather just just pull the feature.

 

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: Auryg

We throw at least one every week in the summer, so this pretty much axes any potential for me and my friends to buy it.

You completely cut off your computers from the internet when you have a LAN party? Why?

We have the parties in a place that has no internet connection. There's a lot of places in this country that don't have access to broadband.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: Auryg

We throw at least one every week in the summer, so this pretty much axes any potential for me and my friends to buy it.

You completely cut off your computers from the internet when you have a LAN party? Why?

We have the parties in a place that has no internet connection. There's a lot of places in this country that don't have access to broadband.

It is especially true when you need a place that is big enough to holdt lots of people.
I know someone that had a LAN party in a barn about 5 miles from the nearest house.

 

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: Auryg

We throw at least one every week in the summer, so this pretty much axes any potential for me and my friends to buy it.

You completely cut off your computers from the internet when you have a LAN party? Why?

We have the parties in a place that has no internet connection. There's a lot of places in this country that don't have access to broadband.

It is especially true when you need a place that is big enough to holdt lots of people.
I know someone that had a LAN party in a barn about 5 miles from the nearest house.

Yep, we call the place we play "the barn." It's more of a storage area on bottom and a nice house-like atmosphere up top, but alas, no internet.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Fox5
This is likely an anti-piracy maneuver. I suppose Hamachi has gotten too popular.

BTW, if the game is still peer to peer but just uses battle.net for authentication purposes, it could still have good performance over a LAN and not make much use of an Internet connection.

Also, the 3 game thing blizzard is doing may be because it sounds like multiplayer and singleplayer will be radically different games, with different units and stats between the two. If that's the case, and the main starcraft 2 is the multiplayer meat and bones, look for the expansions to bomb.

Expansions will add new units. I bet on it

Also I doubt, besides heroes and special units, campaign will be different than singleplayer. I really doubt it.

Anyone know if they are including a campaign editor in SC2?

Well, medics are in singleplayer but not in multi. But my bet is that medics come in an expansion pack for multi.

Also, just because there's no explicit LAN function doesn't mean bad pings. If the game is still peer to peer (which is most likely is unless blizzard is charging for b.net now), then once you're in a game and off b.net your connections should automatically take the shortest route. Which will be within your home router.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: Beev
... How many LAN parties exist that don't have any internet at all? ...

I don't see the big deal.

We throw at least one every week in the summer, so this pretty much axes any potential for me and my friends to buy it.

And you can't do this at a friend's house with internet?

Ok, so you're telling me we should send all connections out to battle.net then back instead of across a single switch? I would just call that plain idiotic.

Of course it's less efficient. But people claiming that they're not going to buy the game because of lack of LAN support is dumber. Like Beev said, how many people who are into hosting lan parties don't have an internet connection? In a RTS, no one's going to lose a match because their ping went from 5 ms to 100 ms.

Nor'easter, largest LAN in the Northeast, has no internet connection. We can't play SCII? F that.

 

[Fenixgoon]

no lan? laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame. i played SC over LAN with my brother like a week ago

 

[Magusigne]

This is going to set a precedant for Diablo III

 

[Muadib]

Damn!! I was really looking forward to this. That means my pc will last another 3-4 years.

 

[Superrock]

I connect to the internet through my school and there are strange firewall/rerouting done on our internet connection so I can't join the same games as my friends on bnet for starcraft.

 

[shortylickens]

I dont care.
If I play it at all, it will be for an Epic single player campaign. If word gets out the official campaign sucks, I wont even buy it.

Also, I read the article, and I dont think they really meant a 0% chance of a console port.
If consoles finally adopted the KBM configuration (like they should have 10 years ago) they could easily play most strategy games.

http://game.techchuck.com/2009...to-last-4-to-6-months/
Also, official word is there will be a LONG beta test, probably pushing the game release right up to Xmas.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

If blizzard is concerned about people using VPNs to play pirated copies of SC2 why don't they just implement a ping limit for LAN mode? Ping higher than XX, no LAN.