Totally sounds like a $20 game if anything after reading many of the impressions here. Might be fun while you start out but gets stale.Yeah that's the same thing I went through. I think the problem is this - for years there have been many games which have used procedural level generation. In all these games the procedural mechanics have been in addition to whatever underlying solid gameplay was already there (eg, the fluid combat of Diablo & Torchlight, the RTS gameplay of Age of Empires that "clicked" with millions of us, the humor and constantly added new content of Don't Starve, etc). In NMS, "look at our cool RNG maths formula" pretty much is the beginning, middle and end of the game, and results in a "mile wide, inch deep" feel once you've figured those maths out.
To me, NMS is a good base upon which to build a game, but the current gameplay itself "as is" is pretty weak and has exponentially depreciating value beyond the first few planets. It's almost like 'playing' the "preview environment" function in a level editor before you start adding in the plot and characters. I also can't see how adding base building will improve things if the end result is simply to encourage people to be stuck to only one planet and turn the game into "Minecraft-lite". I guess that stuff might appeal to the "Crafting OCD" bunch of which I'm not a member. For me, there needs to be some "glue" beyond just cyclical, monotonous crafting/unlocking-for-the-sake-of-crafting/unlocking.
The end of the game (I posted a spoiler link earlier) is very Mass-Effect-3-ish and further undermines the craft-unlock-repeat centric gameplay mechanics. After all......and nothing unique to be found, you might as well just settle down on the first "easy" planet near the outer-edge start area, and just stay there (undermining any incentive to grind through to the centre in the first place...)...if there is no real end to the game, and nothing at the centre beyond a "New Game+" shortcut...
Played for few hours at a friends yesterday, I think I'll wait until the first big content patch that adds the actual game. Because in its current form there is just repeated grinding and no real game to play. Not worth $60, I'd be pissed if I spent money on it in its current form.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the game as free part of psn plus after some time. Unless they add some real changing elements here, it doesn't warrant a full $60 price. It's more like an indie game.Agreed. I got to play it at a friend's house and I was really disappointed in the game, and I didn't even experience any performance issues. Game play is really shallow, and it's way too grindy. Having to constantly recharge everything is annoying and just adds to the grind. I wouldn't get this game even if it was $5.
I'll have to when I get it on PC. I'm playing on ps4 now since I wanted to rent it first to make my own opinion. Now that I know I have a better opinion of it than the average, I'll get it at some point. Frankly I wouldn't have been upset if I paid full price, but at this point I could wait for a sale.
I played some more last night (about four hours) and I like it. It's hard for me to put down. It's exactly what I expected, and no more and no less. I think the biggest reason it's being given a hard time is people's expectations. It was never made out to be anything more than an exploration game with crafting elements and an ultimate end goal. It's a casual game that is already more engaging to me than Elite, and that works for me.
I do wish they would refine the arcadey feel of the flight model, fix the technical issues some are experiencing (I do get slow downs after the three-hour mark, I've noticed), and implement a few suggestions. Other than that, happy with my purchase.
Yeah that's the same thing I went through. I think the problem is this - for years there have been many games which have used procedural level generation. In all these games the procedural mechanics have been in addition to whatever underlying solid gameplay was already there (eg, the fluid combat of Diablo & Torchlight, the RTS gameplay of Age of Empires that "clicked" with millions of us, the humor and constantly added new content of Don't Starve, etc). In NMS, "look at our cool RNG maths formula" pretty much is the beginning, middle and end of the game, and results in a "mile wide, inch deep" feel once you've figured those maths out.
To me, NMS is a good base upon which to build a game, but the current gameplay itself "as is" is pretty weak and has exponentially depreciating value beyond the first few planets. It's almost like 'playing' the "preview environment" function in a level editor before you start adding in the plot and characters. I also can't see how adding base building will improve things if the end result is simply to encourage people to be stuck to only one planet and turn the game into "Minecraft-lite". I guess that stuff might appeal to the "Crafting OCD" bunch of which I'm not a member. For me, there needs to be some "glue" beyond just cyclical, monotonous crafting/unlocking-for-the-sake-of-crafting/unlocking.
The end of the game (I posted a spoiler link earlier) is very Mass-Effect-3-ish and further undermines the craft-unlock-repeat centric gameplay mechanics. After all......and nothing unique to be found, you might as well just settle down on the first "easy" planet near the outer-edge start area, and just stay there (undermining any incentive to grind through to the centre in the first place...)...if there is no real end to the game, and nothing at the centre beyond a "New Game+" shortcut...
Totally sounds like a $20 game if anything after reading many of the impressions here. Might be fun while you start out but gets stale.
My buddy got it for ps4 and asked if I bought it. Says he's been playing it non stop and he thinks it's awesome. But he is the type to enjoy games like this and don't starve for example. I want to see how long it before he is over it.
"i believed the hype i read online from people who had no idea what they were talking about therefore NMS is a scam"Don't Starve is actually a legitimate game though. NMS is more of a scam
"i believed the hype i read online from people who had no idea what they were talking about therefore NMS is a scam"
uhhh, if that's how you feel i guess.
Anyone who actually payed attention to the development of the game (actual development, not rumors and hype about development which was never real) and didnt listen to the hype machine got exactly what they were promised.Firstly, I never bought NMS and I called this game a scam long before release, as I did with Spore on these very forums ~8 years ago.
NMS is a scam because its all presentation value + dishonest marketing with little substance. It's priced as a premium product when in reality it should be an early access/tech demo title with the full release a few years off. The 4 main developers will be multimillionaires on the back of this game, and it is completely due to the marketing/hype rather than the game's own merits, of which there is little to none.
how the fuk do i get an access card v1
Firstly, I never thought that NMS would be any more than an empty shell/money grab, and I called this game a scam long before release, as I did with Spore on these very forums ~8 years ago. They are essentially the same scam except NMS imo was much more successful since the budget was a lot lower (no hiring robin williams to hype the game this time around).
NMS is a scam because its all presentation value + dishonest marketing with little substance. It's priced as a premium product when in reality it should be an early access/tech demo title with the full release a few years off. The marketing material was serially dishonest so as not to risk tipping the hypetrain off the tracks, and obviously that worked out well for them as the 4 main developers will be multimillionaires on the back of this game -- completely due to the marketing/hype rather than the game's own merits, of which there is almost none, as was expected by anyone who is skeptical of hype to begin with.
Don't Starve is a completely different situation where the developers actually delivered a good game from the start that was worth sinking hundreds of hours into, and they continued to improve the game years after release as well. The only similarity is that both games have gathering and random level generation. I'd say the games are almost complete opposites actually as one was made to scam cash from gullible people and the other was made with quality in mind.
Sean Murray is this generation's Peter Molyneux, and I don't blame anyone under 20 for falling for this shit for the first time. I fell for hype once too, when I was 12 years old and bought a game called Black and White, which admittedly was a much better game than either Spore or NMS. I hope that people will learn from this experience instead of convincing themselves that it was worth the money or some such nonsense, after getting bored 4 hours in.
The $60 price and copy + paste port with crashing and low fps is really the insult on top of injury.
finially got an atlas pas V3, which will open V2 and V3 doors but not V1...
also found some money making shenanigans
If you happen on a planet with an animal called "Sac Venom" you can farm the ever living crap out of it - its a neutral mob that just sits there and drops an item that sells for ~26K
the moment you kill one you get an elite sentinel called on you but if you just run away/to shop/building you are all set,
ive been doing runs of 6-8 at a time. up over 3 million now
All of the green "!" are them showing up on a scan
found this nifty dude earlier as well
????????You don't even need to leave a space station to make millions
????????
I'm also surprised at the "hype disparity" between this vs The Solus Project (20hr gameplay and less than half the price).Kinda interesting something like has taken off and a game like Subnautica hasn't.
Of course not, it's absurd to call something a scam just because you don't like it.