No More Bags On Trains..

[Siva]

That was dumbest thing I've ever read. Once again Fox News proves how worthless it is. Why not just get rid of the subway altogether, that's the next logical step right? It takes some kind of to idiot think that either of those options will ever happen.

 

[ruffilb]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Let's not fool ourselves here. It's muslim people from the middle east causing this problem. Why spread the blame all over the place just to be politically correct?

You'd be more effective at achieving your objective (preventing terrorism) if you'd keep middle eastern muslims off the trains than everyone's bags.

Un-pc, I know, but let's face reality.

Then they'd just have people slipping explosives in to people's bags...

 

[monk3y]

Germaine Lindsay, 19
Police sources have named the fourth suicide bomber as Jamaican-born British resident Germaine Lindsay, who had converted to Islam.

*Link*

Profiling wouldn't have even worked in this instance in London.

 

[rh71]

yahoo link on this

random searches.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: monk3y
Germaine Lindsay, 19
Police sources have named the fourth suicide bomber as Jamaican-born British resident Germaine Lindsay, who had converted to Islam.

*Link*

Profiling wouldn't have even worked in this instance in London.

So it looks like the religion is the main culprit.

 

[monk3y]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: monk3y
Germaine Lindsay, 19
Police sources have named the fourth suicide bomber as Jamaican-born British resident Germaine Lindsay, who had converted to Islam.

*Link*

Profiling wouldn't have even worked in this instance in London.

So it looks like the religion is the main culprit.

Yup... Only issue is that people don't really have to tell anyone what their religion is.

 

[astrosfan90]

Originally posted by: JoeKing
welp, the terrorist are winning.

sucks

qft

The day we put metal detectors or ban bags on the public transportation system is the day I move cities. I refuse to drive to work in the mess that is DC traffic, but I also refuse to spend an hour each way on a packed metro without a book or iPod, much less be unable to take some work home with me, bring my lunch to work, or god forbid I decide I'm going to stay at my girlfriend's house, a change of clothes.

If this ever happens, I'll have to break my pledge never to let terrorism change my daily routine, something I've held to for several years now, working within a stone's throw of many of the major terrorist targets in DC.

I hope we never do anything this ridiculous.

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Patt

Religion has nothing to do with this. Cowardly terrorists thinking their fanaticism will change the world has everything to do with it.

Religion has nothing to do with this? I guess that explains all the Buddhist and Hindus hijacking planes.

Get real, man. You are blinded by political correctness. The VAST MAJORITY of plane hijackings have been by muslim extremists, who get motivation from their religion. Religion has much to do with this, take off your blinders.

See my post a few up. It's surprising.

 

[jtusa]

I'd rather take my chances and not have searching and all the B.S. that makes me "safe".

Benjamin Franklin said it best, "Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither."

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Patt

Religion has nothing to do with this. Cowardly terrorists thinking their fanaticism will change the world has everything to do with it.

Religion has nothing to do with this? I guess that explains all the Buddhist and Hindus hijacking planes.

Get real, man. You are blinded by political correctness. The VAST MAJORITY of plane hijackings have been by muslim extremists, who get motivation from their religion. Religion has much to do with this, take off your blinders.

See my post a few up. It's surprising.

What surprising, that no one who said religion has nothing to do with this will try and debunk your info?

 

[MQ]

OMG I can believe what Im reading! The ignorance of some of you just astounds me. 91TTZ you have no clue what your talking about... American arnt you? Havn't you realized the only reason those terrorist hide behind the Islam religion is because reqruiting will be much easier? kinev post the rest of the paragraph in which those quotes were in and I bet there would be a reason why the Quran would support violence. You cant conclude that Islam is a violent religion without reading the whole book. Please put more thought into what your writing before clicking the "Reply to Topic" button Please.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Let's not fool ourselves here. It's muslim people from the middle east causing this problem. Why spread the blame all over the place just to be politically correct?

You'd be more effective at achieving your objective (preventing terrorism) if you'd keep middle eastern muslims off the trains than everyone's bags.

Un-pc, I know, but let's face reality.

Unabomber?
Timothy McVeigh?

Or are they not a part of "reality"?

Let's say, for the sake of the argument, that after the World Trade Center bombings, you kick all Middle Eastern Muslims out of the US and close the boarders. How many lives would you have saved?

All the white people here in NYC would die because theres no one to drive our cabs or sell us coffee and newspapers in the morning.

 

When will authorities learn that searching bags on trains will just force terrorists to seek other ways of killing Westerners? It's not going to stop terrorism; it's just going to shift it into different arenas like shopping malls and department stores.

 

[Keyvan]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Let's not fool ourselves here. It's muslim people from the middle east causing this problem. Why spread the blame all over the place just to be politically correct?

You'd be more effective at achieving your objective (preventing terrorism) if you'd keep middle eastern muslims off the trains than everyone's bags.

Un-pc, I know, but let's face reality.

easy there adolph

 

[yllus]

It would make a lot more sense if not everyone is searched thoroughly, just people fitting certain characteristics. I'd feel pretty crappy about the whole thing though.

 

Originally posted by: Keyvan

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Let's not fool ourselves here. It's muslim people from the middle east causing this problem. Why spread the blame all over the place just to be politically correct?

You'd be more effective at achieving your objective (preventing terrorism) if you'd keep middle eastern muslims off the trains than everyone's bags.

Un-pc, I know, but let's face reality.

easy there adolph

FYI, it's Adolf, Mr. Goebbels.

 

[Keyvan]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Keyvan

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Let's not fool ourselves here. It's muslim people from the middle east causing this problem. Why spread the blame all over the place just to be politically correct?

You'd be more effective at achieving your objective (preventing terrorism) if you'd keep middle eastern muslims off the trains than everyone's bags.

Un-pc, I know, but let's face reality.

easy there adolph

FYI, it's Adolf, Mr. Goebbels.

lol

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: MQ
OMG I can believe what Im reading! The ignorance of some of you just astounds me. 91TTZ you have no clue what your talking about... American arnt you? Havn't you realized the only reason those terrorist hide behind the Islam religion is because reqruiting will be much easier? kinev post the rest of the paragraph in which those quotes were in and I bet there would be a reason why the Quran would support violence. You cant conclude that Islam is a violent religion without reading the whole book. Please put more thought into what your writing before clicking the "Reply to Topic" button Please.

I don't buy that. Let's say, hypothetically, these terrorists were just hiding behind Islam as an excuse to attack the "west". Okay, they hate us and want to kill us and use Islam as an excuse. Why do suicide bombings? Why kill yourself in the process of attacking us? why?

Because Islam has promised rewards in heaven if you kill yourself in a bombing. If I just hate a country, I would plant a bomb and leave to survive to keep hating that country. If I hate a country and am commanded by my religion to attack (plus I get 72 virgins in heaven) I do a suicide bombing. Saying that religion has nothing to do with these attacks is borderline asinine. We have already seen that the common denominator in these recent terror attacks is religion. Not nationality, not color, not race.....it's religion. Another poster pointed this out already. What religion? The one that has a holy book that says "convert or we'll kill you".

Are all Muslims violent terrorists? Of course not. Does Islam command them to be. Yes. Also, I predicated my earlier post by stating that I haven't read the whole Quran. If you have, enlighten me as to what this passage from the Quran means:

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

You?re quick to state that there is rampant ignorance in this thread, yet you do nothing to alleviate it.

 

[MQ]

Before posting any more rubish please do some research about the Quran because appearantly you just seem to trust a site which doesn't provide the whole context in which those quotes were taken from. In case your lazy here is one site. Read the first quote... Link
BTW where in the Quran does it say "Islam has promised rewards in heaven if you kill yourself in a bombing". The only place I heard that is around school children making fun of muslim kids.

 

[Keyvan]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: MQ
OMG I can believe what Im reading! The ignorance of some of you just astounds me. 91TTZ you have no clue what your talking about... American arnt you? Havn't you realized the only reason those terrorist hide behind the Islam religion is because reqruiting will be much easier? kinev post the rest of the paragraph in which those quotes were in and I bet there would be a reason why the Quran would support violence. You cant conclude that Islam is a violent religion without reading the whole book. Please put more thought into what your writing before clicking the "Reply to Topic" button Please.

I don't buy that. Let's say, hypothetically, these terrorists were just hiding behind Islam as an excuse to attack the "west". Okay, they hate us and want to kill us and use Islam as an excuse. Why do suicide bombings? Why kill yourself in the process of attacking us? why?

Because Islam has promised rewards in heaven if you kill yourself in a bombing. If I just hate a country, I would plant a bomb and leave to survive to keep hating that country. If I hate a country and am commanded by my religion to attack (plus I get 72 virgins in heaven) I do a suicide bombing. Saying that religion has nothing to do with these attacks is borderline asinine. We have already seen that the common denominator in these recent terror attacks is religion. Not nationality, not color, not race.....it's religion. Another poster pointed this out already. What religion? The one that has a holy book that says "convert or we'll kill you".

Are all Muslims violent terrorists? Of course not. Does Islam command them to be. Yes. Also, I predicated my earlier post by stating that I haven't read the whole Quran. If you have, enlighten me as to what this passage from the Quran means:

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

You?re quick to state that there is rampant ignorance in this thread, yet you do nothing to alleviate it.

ignorant much??

please invest the 6 dollars and enlighten yourself

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: MQ
Before posting any more rubish please do some research about the Quran because appearantly you just seem to trust a site which doesn't provide the whole context in which those quotes were taken from. In case your lazy here is one site. Read the first quote... Link
BTW where in the Quran does it say "Islam has promised rewards in heaven if you kill yourself in a bombing". The only place I heard that is around school children making fun of muslim kids.

Good point. I don't know where it says that in the Quran. But apparently, scholars agree that it's in there. GreatBarracuda's post 1) Rasins or virgins? Scholars say virgins.

I'll extend my question to you, too. If I am taking these verses in the Q'uran out of context, then correct me. Explain what you think "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" means. Maybe you have a different definition of fight?

Keyvan, you also accuse me of being ignorant, but don't offer any rebuttal nor explanation. Can you tell me how I am taking these verses out of context? I've noticed that at least nobody is denying that these verses are in the Q'uran.

 

[Keyvan]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: MQ
Before posting any more rubish please do some research about the Quran because appearantly you just seem to trust a site which doesn't provide the whole context in which those quotes were taken from. In case your lazy here is one site. Read the first quote... Link
BTW where in the Quran does it say "Islam has promised rewards in heaven if you kill yourself in a bombing". The only place I heard that is around school children making fun of muslim kids.

Good point. I don't know where it says that in the Quran. But apparently, scholars agree that it's in there. GreatBarracuda's post 1) Rasins or virgins? Scholars say virgins.

I'll extend my question to you, too. If I am taking these verses in the Q'uran out of context, then correct me. Explain what you think "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" means. Maybe you have a different definition of fight?

Keyvan, you also accuse me of being ignorant, but don't offer any rebuttal nor explanation. Can you tell me how I am taking these verses out of context? I've noticed that at least nobody is denying that these verses are in the Q'uran.

I'll be honest and I'll admit that I haven't fully read the Qu'uran, I've read parts of it, but never the whole thing. Perhaps I should finish it.
What I think you fail to see is that Islam started at around 622 A.D. and the world was a very different place at that time. Monarchies and empires were always trying to conquer other lands and fighting was rampant. So I might be wrong, but I think that just maybe those verses are trying to tell people to fight the people who are not letting you live in peace.
Notice how it says "even if they are of the people of the Book". The reason that I think that that's there is because Islam accepts Jesus as a messenger of God, but it insists that Mohammed is also a Messenger and he is the latest one. So I think Islam sees itself as a more updated religion compared to the others without denying them.


edit: you are being an ignorant because you are so strongly opinionated about a subject that is foreign to you. If you had read about it, then you could have formulated your own opinions from your own interpretations of the book.

 

[MQ]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: MQ
Before posting any more rubish please do some research about the Quran because appearantly you just seem to trust a site which doesn't provide the whole context in which those quotes were taken from. In case your lazy here is one site. Read the first quote... Link
BTW where in the Quran does it say "Islam has promised rewards in heaven if you kill yourself in a bombing". The only place I heard that is around school children making fun of muslim kids.

Good point. I don't know where it says that in the Quran. But apparently, scholars agree that it's in there. GreatBarracuda's post 1) Rasins or virgins? Scholars say virgins.

I'll extend my question to you, too. If I am taking these verses in the Q'uran out of context, then correct me. Explain what you think "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" means. Maybe you have a different definition of fight?

Keyvan, you also accuse me of being ignorant, but don't offer any rebuttal nor explanation. Can you tell me how I am taking these verses out of context? I've noticed that at least nobody is denying that these verses are in the Q'uran.

Did you visit the website I included in my last post? If you go there and read the first verse, it will explain why I'm trying to tell you to read the Quran by yourself before making any ignorant remarks, because apparently the site you quoted from has left out a whole section of the paragraph:
9:28-29 "O ye believe! Truly the pagans are unclear; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear povery, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, For Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from among the people of the book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."