No one posted it yet?

[Lonyo]

See the lovely Anandtech article

Maximum FSB:
(Lower Ratio) 400 x 7 (2800MHz) (3x HT)
(2 DIMMs in DC mode)
(+100% Bus Overclock)

300MHz? PAH!

 

[imported_Kensai]

Meh. Reference board. It wasn't compared to a Reference board but to a retail version that's in circulation.
Show me a retail version that overclocks that well, not hand picked. That'll persuade me to get one.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

"Take that DFI"?

Um, DFI boards I'm sure you're talking about use nForce chipsets, it should be more like "take that nVidia"

If these ULi chipsets get 400MHz, DFI most likely will get 500MHz out of them

Oh and it required an FX57...


However it does look like a pretty solid chipset.

The odd thing is, is that it used to be VIA and only VIA, now with nVidia, ATI and ULi packing very enticing punches in the A64/X2 arena, VIA seems like a thing of the past.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
"Take that DFI"?

Um, DFI boards I'm sure you're talking about use nForce chipsets, it should be more like "take that nVidia"

If these ULi chipsets get 400MHz, DFI most likely will get 500MHz out of them

Oh and it required an FX57...


However it does look like a pretty solid chipset.

The odd thing is, is that it used to be VIA and only VIA, now with nVidia, ATI and ULi packing very enticing punches in the A64/X2 arena, VIA seems like a thing of the past.

Not if Intel pull out of the low end Pentium chipset market.


Oh yeah, and a lot of nForce boards don't really get close to 300MHz, only a few (DFI being the fastest) manage to break 300MHz, hence the DFI comment, also DFI are the main enthusiast board maker for extreme overclockers, and IMO 400MHz is pretty extreme.

 

[Dman877]

And of course we all know the difference between a 300mhz fsb and a 400 fsb on an A64 is like a thousand trillion fps.

 

[Vegitto]

I posted it like a month ago >.<!

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Not if Intel pull out of the low end Pentium chipset market.

I was talking about AMD, it used to be that VIA was the only solution (with others that just weren't up to snuff, not that VIA was that great of a market leader as nVidia is). I was talking about how back during then end of the P3 and early days of P4, if you went AMD you pretty much had to have VIA. Now we've got nVidia, and other solutions just didn't seem that great (including VIA), now we've got ATI and ULi both offering what should be solid competition for nVidia FOR AMD.

I was commenting on how we're no longer in the old world of VIA and how nVidia isn't even the "new" VIA as there are now choices, good choices, as alternatives.

Oh yeah, and a lot of nForce boards don't really get close to 300MHz, only a few (DFI being the fastest) manage to break 300MHz, hence the DFI comment, also DFI are the main enthusiast board maker for extreme overclockers, and IMO 400MHz is pretty extreme.

Yeah then why the "in your face DFI" type of remark when they're a company most likely to jump on the chipset and hand pick ones that do even more than 400MHz?

Chipset vs. Chipset, Motherboard vs. Motherboard. Intel boasting to nVidia...3800MHz Intel P4, IN YOUR FACE 430MHz GeForce 7800GTX.

My example is a little more extreme than what you actually did, but DFI's motherboards aren't competing against ULi's chipsets such as Intel's CPUs aren't competing against nVidia's GPUs...


It is exciting, yes, however extreme FSBes like that are only needed (well not even needed, but possibly useful) for chips the likes of 3000+, as I seriously doubt anyone has some DDR1 800MHz stuff they want to run in 1:1

It is right up there with the higher clocking chipsets in overall clockspeed (which matters much more than your FSB), so in that light it looks great. I'm definately excited about the competition, better performance and lower prices...

 

[imported_whatever]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Not if Intel pull out of the low end Pentium chipset market.

I was talking about AMD, it used to be that VIA was the only solution (with others that just weren't up to snuff, not that VIA was that great of a market leader as nVidia is). I was talking about how back during then end of the P3 and early days of P4, if you went AMD you pretty much had to have VIA. Now we've got nVidia, and other solutions just didn't seem that great (including VIA), now we've got ATI and ULi both offering what should be solid competition for nVidia FOR AMD.

How about AMD's chipsets? They were higher performance than anyone else's until they stopped coming out with new ones (AMD761)

 

[n7]

I'm glad to see ULi & ATi throwing punches, & honestly, i've love to get that beautiful Sapphire mainboard, but till we can actually buy these, i'm not gonna get too excited.

I really do hope they actually get these out!

 

[Fox5]

Bleh, ULi only makes the Southbridge, I don't think they have anything to do with the excellent overclocking, rather it's ATI's northbridge. Strange how nvidia fell behind to make a console and great motherboards, and now ATI's graphics have fallen behind but they have great motherboards and are making a console chipset.

if you went AMD you pretty much had to have VIA.

If you wanted tops in stability you went AMD, if you wanted tops in performance you went VIA.(though AMD chipsets usually used someone else's southbridge I think)

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: whatever

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Not if Intel pull out of the low end Pentium chipset market.

I was talking about AMD, it used to be that VIA was the only solution (with others that just weren't up to snuff, not that VIA was that great of a market leader as nVidia is). I was talking about how back during then end of the P3 and early days of P4, if you went AMD you pretty much had to have VIA. Now we've got nVidia, and other solutions just didn't seem that great (including VIA), now we've got ATI and ULi both offering what should be solid competition for nVidia FOR AMD.

How about AMD's chipsets? They were higher performance than anyone else's until they stopped coming out with new ones (AMD761)

Not really, in the time frame I'm talking about they did have their own server chipset for dual XP systems, but the performance wasn't THAT great. There's a reason everyone was pumped about a rumored nVidia dual XP nForce 2 chipset that never came to be, and that was because AMD's chipset was dated and not all that great (officially only supporting 100/133MHz FSB, and only going up to 150 or so via overclocking, not that great at all, especially when an nVidia one would have easily supported 166 and possibly 200+)

Originally posted by: Fox5

if you went AMD you pretty much had to have VIA.

If you wanted tops in stability you went AMD, if you wanted tops in performance you went VIA.(though AMD chipsets usually used someone else's southbridge I think)

No, you pretty much only had VIA. Again, AMD chipsets were primarily intended for workstation stuff where they wanted to make sure they had control over stability, and thus was nowhere near as widely available or practical. I'm not saying there were no other options, I'm saying there were no other options an informed person would seriously consider, just as there are VIA chipsets for A64, you wouldn't want one over nVidia's current solutions and thus wouldn't consider it. VIA wasn't unstable once they had their stuff fixed (and I don't know if y'all are remembering the same time frame I'm talking about...KT266A was pretty solid, heck I've still got one running in my folk's system, rock solid actually...)

 

[Fox5]

Well, my mom's computer is currently running an Asus motherboard with an AMD northbridge chip and a VIA southbridge chip.

BTW, VIA could be ok, but they were far from the rock solidness of nforce2 systems. Nforce2 systems were so tweakable and could handle so much without going down, VIA mobos basically had to be run as safe as possible to keep them up.

 

[Brian23]

Originally posted by: Fox5
Bleh, ULi only makes the Southbridge, I don't think they have anything to do with the excellent overclocking, rather it's ATI's northbridge. Strange how nvidia fell behind to make a console and great motherboards, and now ATI's graphics have fallen behind but they have great motherboards and are making a console chipset.

if you went AMD you pretty much had to have VIA.

If you wanted tops in stability you went AMD, if you wanted tops in performance you went VIA.(though AMD chipsets usually used someone else's southbridge I think)

You are confused. The Uli chipset uses both a Uli northbridge and a Uli southbridge. The ATI chipset uses an ATI northbridge and a Uli southbridge. The one that Anand just reviewed is the Uli chipset... and it roxored my boxors.

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
The odd thing is, is that it used to be VIA and only VIA, now with nVidia, ATI and ULi packing very enticing punches in the A64/X2 arena, VIA seems like a thing of the past.

Don?t forget about SiS, ocworkbench.com has an article on a production Asrock board using the SiS 756 chipset with performance on par with the chipsets you already listed. The overclocking capabilities do seem to be limited though, they where only able to reach a 285MHz base frequency (as if that isn?t enough for most people).

 

[imported_Kensai]

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
The odd thing is, is that it used to be VIA and only VIA, now with nVidia, ATI and ULi packing very enticing punches in the A64/X2 arena, VIA seems like a thing of the past.

Don?t forget about SiS, ocworkbench.com has an article on a production Asrock board using the SiS 756 chipset with performance on par with the chipsets you already listed. The overclocking capabilities do seem to be limited though, they where only able to reach a 285MHz base frequency (as if that isn?t enough for most people).

SiS pretty much dissappeared from the performance segment. They're pretty much stuck in the value segment. Same with ECS.

 

[justly]

If by that you mean they are less expensive or don?t have all the bells and whistles, you would be correct.

The thing is, none of the Athlon 64 chipsets should be overlooked solely on performance, motherboards and features possibly, but performance is not a deal breaker for any of these chipsets.

 

[sandorski]

What attracts me most to the ULI chipset(North/South) is the AGP/PCI-e capability. Will make my Athlon XP to A64 upgrade all the more painless.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Is the board dualcore ready?

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Brian23

Originally posted by: Fox5
Bleh, ULi only makes the Southbridge, I don't think they have anything to do with the excellent overclocking, rather it's ATI's northbridge. Strange how nvidia fell behind to make a console and great motherboards, and now ATI's graphics have fallen behind but they have great motherboards and are making a console chipset.

if you went AMD you pretty much had to have VIA.

If you wanted tops in stability you went AMD, if you wanted tops in performance you went VIA.(though AMD chipsets usually used someone else's southbridge I think)

You are confused. The Uli chipset uses both a Uli northbridge and a Uli southbridge. The ATI chipset uses an ATI northbridge and a Uli southbridge. The one that Anand just reviewed is the Uli chipset... and it roxored my boxors.

Hmm, I guess this is Ulis first northbridge then, because a little while back anand had an article that started uli only made southbridges. BTW, I'm pretty sure ATI has their own southbridge as well.

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Hmm, I guess this is Ulis first northbridge then, because a little while back anand had an article that started uli only made southbridges. BTW, I'm pretty sure ATI has their own southbridge as well.

If you bothered to read the first article on the ULI chipset you would have read this quote at the end of the very first paragraph.

"In addition to South Bridges which can work with the chipsets of other manufacturers, ULi also makes single-chip and dual-chip solutions for Athlon 64."

This is the fist ULi PCI-E nothbridge (or tunnel to be more accurate) but it is not their first complete chipset.

BTW you are correct that ATi has their own southbridge its just that the ULi one had better performance (thats why you may have seen it used in combination with the ATi northbridge).

 

[imported_burningrave101]

HTT speed has no affect on performance so i see no point in overclocking it to 300Mhz and beyond. Also, the DFI NF4 boards will break 400Mhz as well. Its nothing special. Check xtremesystems for people that bother to overclock something that high that has no impact on performance.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
See the lovely Anandtech article

Maximum FSB:
(Lower Ratio) 400 x 7 (2800MHz) (3x HT)
(2 DIMMs in DC mode)
(+100% Bus Overclock)

300MHz? PAH!

400x3 = 1200

My DFI board does over 300, but just for a comparison, it will do 300x4 = 1200 no problem.

So what's the difference???

 

[StrangerGuy]

Originally posted by: sandorski
What attracts me most to the ULI chipset(North/South) is the AGP/PCI-e capability. Will make my Athlon XP to A64 upgrade all the more painless.

Yup me too. I am only really interested in the AGP/PCI-E combo solution. I cannot believe it took that damn long for any chipset maker to produce a A64 AGP/PCI-E combo chipset.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Its all about profit, why build a combo, when u can make ppl think that pcie is the future anyway and they are doomed if they not buy pcie as fast as possible?

i saw this on the net: ASRock 939Dual-SATA2, ULi M1695/M1567 (dual PC3200 DDR), ULi M1695/ULi M1567 ? USB 2.0/LAN/SATA RAID/SATA II/7.1 Audio (ALC850) ? 1x AGP, 1x PCIe x16, 1x PCIe x1, 3x PCI, mATX.

Assrock, i hate that brand, and i hate Asus but its the only board available with the new ULI Chipset. Any idead when some "higher quality" boards will come?