No real buzz or excitement on new Apple Launches?

[kpkp]

Yes, it does, and yes, it is... insofar as a tablet can be a standalone workstation. There are serious creative apps on the iPad right now (like AutoCAD 360), and the iPad Pro may open avenues to companies that hadn't considered iPad apps before. You can edit multiple 4K streams -- you know that movie producers are salivating at the thought of producing rough on-set cuts with a tablet. I know DJs and other musicians who like the idea of a big iPad for performances, too.

Consider this: at last check, there are fewer modern Windows apps (that is, optimized for the modern UI and touch) than there are iPad apps, and the revenue definitely swings in favor of the iPad. Some of those Windows apps undoubtedly go deeper, but this still means that the iPad is the more profitable platform for touch-capable software. If you're a developer planning to make your living from tablet apps, which platform would you support if given a choice?

If you compare the prices of the AutoCAD 360 and other desktop Autodesk CAD software you will see how serious Autodesk thinks it is.

You can edit multiple 4K streams but you can store maybe 1h of video on the device (32GB), that's including the exported project, no one that is half serious will use an iPad to do 4K video production, maybe if they do 4K GIFs.

About apps&platform you better read this article, your points are vague and do nothing to show how iPad is a platform that offers good support for pro grade apps.

 

[Eug]

Platforms don't mature over night. If the hardware is decent and competitive, or perhaps superior in some regards, then it's quite possible the platform will gain acceptance... over time.

Just because I think Apple is going after Wacom here, doesn't mean I at all think they're going knock them out with their very first product.

 

[dawheat]

Apple: We are on pace to beat last year's iPhone first-weekend record

"Customer response to iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus has been extremely positive and preorders this weekend were very strong around the world," the company said in a statement. "We are on pace to beat last year's 10 million unit first-weekend record when the new iPhones go on sale Sept. 25."

And this is despite the claim by Ming-Chi Kuo that iPhone 6s Plus supply is limited by production issues with the backlight module.

We believe Minebea’s (JP) backlight module production issues in supplying iPhone 6S Plus (6S Plus) is one of the main factors in the model’s supply shortage. To tackle this issue, we believe Apple (US) has been increasingly transferring high-ASP 6S Plus backlight module orders to Radiant (6176 TT, NT$106.5, OP), boosting its sales momentum.

I wrote basically the same thing in the other thread, but come on. Flat or even minor growth y/o/y would be a disaster for Apple and their stock would literally tank. It's not fair but 20% IMO y/o/y growth is probably the minimum expected, though no one expects the 50-60% growth from last year.

 

[quikah]

I wrote basically the same thing in the other thread, but come on. Flat or even minor growth y/o/y would be a disaster for Apple and their stock would literally tank. It's not fair but 20% IMO y/o/y growth is probably the minimum expected, though no one expects the 50-60% growth from last year.

I would think it would be easy for them to hit 20% growth for release day sales since they added China to the Sept 25 release day (there was a month lag for the 6 release in china).

 

[Eug]

I wrote basically the same thing in the other thread, but come on. Flat or even minor growth y/o/y would be a disaster for Apple and their stock would literally tank. It's not fair but 20% IMO y/o/y growth is probably the minimum expected, though no one expects the 50-60% growth from last year.

Not sure that's true. Apple stock had already fallen significantly, partially based on analysts' estimates saying that Apple wouldn't have record sales this time around. So, if anything, if Apple sets another record, they're exceeding analysts' estimates, at least for this period.

 

[dawheat]

Not sure that's true. Apple stock had already fallen significantly, partially based on analysts' estimates saying that Apple wouldn't have record sales this time around. So, if anything, if Apple sets another record, they're exceeding analysts' estimates, at least for this period.

I could easily be wrong, but I doubt many, certainly not the majority and at most a tiny minority, analysts believe iPhone sales would decline. Growth and the amount of it is the question and Apple has imo been unfairly judged considering its insane profits.

Some analysts do believe that with the 6/6 Plus launch last year,pent up growth has been fulfilled and the best days of growth are behind apple.

 

[Eug]

I could easily be wrong, but I doubt many, certainly not the majority and at most a tiny minority, analysts believe iPhone sales would decline. Growth and the amount of it is the question and Apple has imo been unfairly judged considering its insane profits.

Some analysts do believe that with the 6/6 Plus launch last year,pent up growth has been fulfilled and the best days of growth are behind apple.

Back in August:

KGI Securities Analyst Forecasts Zero To Negative Growth For The iPhone 6s

Apple is expected to launch the next duo of iPhones in September, which it hopes will have the same momentum of success that was enjoyed when the current iPhone flagships launched. However, an analyst from KGI Securities predicts that, compared to last year's iPhone sales, this year will display either zero or negative growth.

The analyst further predicts that this year, Apple will sell from 65 million iPhones to 75 million units, which do not show any improvement when compared with last year's sales of 74.5 million handsets.

KGI Securities is where Ming-Chi Kuo works, and Ming-Chi Kuo is thought to be one of the best, if not the best, analysts on Apple in the world.

 

[dawheat]

Back in August:

KGI Securities Analyst Forecasts Zero To Negative Growth For The iPhone 6s

Apple is expected to launch the next duo of iPhones in September, which it hopes will have the same momentum of success that was enjoyed when the current iPhone flagships launched. However, an analyst from KGI Securities predicts that, compared to last year's iPhone sales, this year will display either zero or negative growth.

The analyst further predicts that this year, Apple will sell from 65 million iPhones to 75 million units, which do not show any improvement when compared with last year's sales of 74.5 million handsets.

KGI Securities is where Ming-Chi Kuo works, and Ming-Chi Kuo is thought to be one of the best, if not the best, analysts on Apple in the world.

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/aapl/recommendations

Still seems overwhelmingly positive though again I'll admit some analysts think otherwise.

Regardless flat growth would be a disaster.

 

[Obsy]

Fixed.

Note that the iPad Pro isn't even available yet.

It's obvious that the iPad Pro will grow a larger software library. The question is if it will have one large enough before it permanently becomes known as "cool sketchbook, yo."

Apple Pencil vs. Wacom Cintiq

1. Stylus: she cites the Apple Pencil's thinness as a pro. This is clearly opinion. The base stylus that comes with Cintiqs are thicker, yes, but it's intentionally so--ergonomics and control. If someone is unhappy with the Cintiq's included stylus then they can buy one of their various other pens, including a thinner pen, a thicker pen, or maybe customize the pen. And if someone has a problem with randomly clicking the buttons on a Cintiq pen, then they can physically remove the buttons or disable them through software.

2. Design: definitely agreed here. Although the obvious solution is to get a Surface Pro. If Wacom releases a thinner tablet in the future then that will be another option as well.

3. Latency: I have seen really laggy inking on Cintiqs, yes. But that might be because they're running ginormous, complex files on professional-grade software that can make a fully-decked desktop get the hiccups. Her comparison is useless as it could be on the iPad Pro equivalent of MS Paint for all we know.

 

[luv2liv]

Wacom stylus tips can easily swapped out too. 1 tip feels like pencil on paper,another feels like felt markers. There are more than 10 tips to choose from.
It's hard to see real pros choosing apple over Wacom any time soon. Maybe third parties will bring to the table what apple forgot.

 

[Midwayman]

Platforms don't mature over night. If the hardware is decent and competitive, or perhaps superior in some regards, then it's quite possible the platform will gain acceptance... over time.

Just because I think Apple is going after Wacom here, doesn't mean I at all think they're going knock them out with their very first product.

I think the one thing that really kills iOS for pro use is no real file system. You're going to be tied into something like creative cloud, which is great from adobe's pov I guess.

 

[Oyeve]

I think the one thing that really kills iOS for pro use is no real file system. You're going to be tied into something like creative cloud, which is great from adobe's pov I guess.

Yeah. I just spent an hour on the phone and remote connection to a mac user who wanted to connect his ipad and iphone, thats loaded with data, to his new mac computer. I told him to use the cloud as itunes is sucky and finicky and would more than likely wipe out data on both devices. Then had to explain what icloud is.

 

[Commodus]

If you compare the prices of the AutoCAD 360 and other desktop Autodesk CAD software you will see how serious Autodesk thinks it is.

You can edit multiple 4K streams but you can store maybe 1h of video on the device (32GB), that's including the exported project, no one that is half serious will use an iPad to do 4K video production, maybe if they do 4K GIFs.

About apps&platform you better read this article, your points are vague and do nothing to show how iPad is a platform that offers good support for pro grade apps.

I'm not suggesting that the iPad Pro will always directly replace a computer. You'd need a lot of chutzpah to produce a serious 4K movie on most tablets, even the Surface Pro. However, I can see iPads handling duties that either weren't practical at all before, or would normally require lugging around a computer. You could make a rough cut for that 4K movie while you're still on the set, for instance. And there are definitely musicians who could use the iPad Pro as a virtual keyboard or DJ rig.

Also, if you're seriously in the market for 4K work on an iPad... you can probably afford to splurge on the 128GB model.

 

[poofyhairguy]

It's obvious that the iPad Pro will grow a larger software library. The question is if it will have one large enough before it permanently becomes known as "cool sketchbook, yo."

I heard a very interesting point on a Twit podcast this weekend on that issue, namely that iOS's App Store (which by design accommodates the iPhone first) currently doesn't have the policies in place to allow for the the kind of professional apps needed to really make the iPad Pro a hit. High level apps need the ability to give their potential users trials to drum up interest, and they need a mechanism where current customers can pay for updates to keep a revenue stream coming in from those users. Currently the App Store doesn't accommodate either model.

 

[kpkp]

Also, if you're seriously in the market for 4K work on an iPad... you can probably afford to splurge on the 128GB model.

For a 14min 4K youtube video.

SourceMKBHD

It's not for pros, it's for goofing around.

 

[Eug]

The iPhones and iPads definitely need USB 3. I don't see any info on this, but as far as I can tell, the iPhone 6s / 6s Plus are still USB 2.

Probably the iPad Pro too, which would make that the iPad Pro's version 1 gotcha as Apple always does with new products.

I wouldn't be surprised if the entire A10-based line in 2016 goes USB 3.

To put it another way, it's foolish to think that limitations in a version 1 product, and one that isn't even out yet, are going to dictate that product line's role in the future of computing for the rest of time.

 

[QueBert]

The iPhones and iPads definitely need USB 3. I don't see any info on this, but as far as I can tell, the iPhone 6s / 6s Plus are still USB 2.

Probably the iPad Pro too, which would make that the iPad Pro's version 1 gotcha as Apple always does with new products.

I wouldn't be surprised if the entire A10-based line in 2016 goes USB 3.

To put it another way, it's foolish to think that limitations in a version 1 product, and one that isn't even out yet, are going to dictate that product line's role in the future of computing for the rest of time.

Why does a phone need USB 3? I suppose it could be a feature for some people, but most people I know don't even hook their phones to a computer anymore. I know I don't, I charge mine from the wall and sync via wifi.

 

[Eug]

Why does a phone need USB 3? I suppose it could be a feature for some people, but most people I know don't even hook their phones to a computer anymore. I know I don't, I charge mine from the wall and sync via wifi.

Video, photo, and app transfers. Takes forever over USB 2, and even longer via WiFi.

 

[pm]

Video, photo, and app transfers. Takes forever over USB 2, and even longer via WiFi.

Shouldn't that be faster under WiFi? USB2 is 480Mb/s and Apple is advertising 866Mb/s on their newer iPads (http://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/technology/).

 

[Commodus]

Shouldn't that be faster under WiFi? USB2 is 480Mb/s and Apple is advertising 866Mb/s on their newer iPads (http://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/technology/).

USB 3.0 manages 5Gbps, which is theoretically much faster. And really, the big question is storage speed. USB 3 wouldn't do anything if the flash memory wasn't fast enough to justify it (and the flash in most smartphones doesn't saturate USB 3).

 

[Eug]

USB 3.0 manages 5Gbps, which is theoretically much faster. And really, the big question is storage speed. USB 3 wouldn't do anything if the flash memory wasn't fast enough to justify it (and the flash in most smartphones doesn't saturate USB 3).

Doesn't have to even come close to saturating USB 3. It just needs to be significantly faster than USB 2.

It should be noted that Apple was marketing faster storage speeds in the iPad Pro.

Shouldn't that be faster under WiFi? USB2 is 480Mb/s and Apple is advertising 866Mb/s on their newer iPads (http://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/technology/).

That's theoretical speed of course. And to even just compete with USB 2 you need to have perfect WiFi conditions.

Real world USB 2 can achieve over 30 MB/s, or about ~250 Mbps.

It is possible to beat this on 802.11ac, but you'd you to be sitting 5 feet from the router. And you need a top of the line router. Typically, 802.11ac speed in real world conditions is much, much slower.

 

[Ns1]

So I just realized I could buy a 64gb ipad mini 4 for less money than an iPhone6s, so that's what I'm going to do. I get a giant mini tablet thing and a phone that I can still one hand. Sounds win/win to me ^_^

I think I can throw in an apple tv too and still come out less than a new phone.

 

[holden j caufield]

Anyone go to the stores today and been to previous ones on launch day. More buzz or less buzz and crowds for this one? I might be going this weekend but I've not been to previous ones in a long time so I don't have much to compare it with.

 

[Oyeve]

Anyone go to the stores today and been to previous ones on launch day. More buzz or less buzz and crowds for this one? I might be going this weekend but I've not been to previous ones in a long time so I don't have much to compare it with.

In NYC the Pope has taken precedence over an iPhone launch.

 

[lopri]

I stopped by AT&T store and they still had the 6s in stock. No 6s Plus, however. The guy told me his store sold 3 today. (as of 3:00 PM)